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« Reply #150 on: October 23, 2011, 08:25:40 AM »

Measurements from the independent research project Berkeley Earth Project compared to other measurings attached.

And here's a fun post about the study and a hypocrite who said "I'm prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.", and then goes on to deny it after finding out it agrees with the other studies that Earth is warming:
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« Reply #151 on: October 23, 2011, 09:01:55 AM »

Something killed that multi-decadal oscillation that had been going on for a while, in 1910.
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« Reply #152 on: November 04, 2011, 08:27:44 AM »

The green ideology is the most dangerous of ideologies. 

Communists put the proletarians first.  Fascists put targeted ethnic groups first.  Greens put homo sapiens sapiens last.
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« Reply #153 on: November 04, 2011, 08:53:48 AM »

I would have to disagree. Keeping our planet habitable for future generations is not putting Homo sapiens sapiens last. It's more or less putting "them" first.
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« Reply #154 on: November 04, 2011, 08:58:52 AM »

The green ideology is the most dangerous of ideologies.  

Communists put the proletarians first.  Fascists put targeted ethnic groups first.  Greens put homo sapiens sapiens last.
Communists want a classless society and thus consider everyone equal. Improving life quality for proletarians at the cost of rich people is not putting proletarians first, it is making the two groups more equal.

As a "green person"*, I don't put humans last, but want a society where we try to minimize our destruction of nature as much as possible. That doesn't mean destroying ourself, in fact our existence relies on nature.

*Whatever that is, I might want to see your definition first so you don't make a straw man out of it, but I'm in favor of a change to 100% renewable energy sources, without being able to say how long that would take.
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« Reply #155 on: November 04, 2011, 11:52:35 AM »

I don't think anyway will care/take major steps to prevent global warming. It costs alot of money Tongue
People will pay attention when it threaten's their lives or disrupts their lives somehow.
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« Reply #156 on: November 04, 2011, 12:37:41 PM »

It costs alot of money Tongue
What do you think will cost the most money, to fix the problems now or to pay for the consequences of not doing anything in the future?
Anyway, no, I don't think our economies are in any way good at handling such a problem as this. They're simply too short-sighted and lack significantly big coordination.
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« Reply #157 on: November 04, 2011, 04:14:32 PM »

Yeah, the problem is how narrow-minded and greedy everyone is.

It costs "too much" NOW to do something that would pay off in the long run.
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« Reply #158 on: November 05, 2011, 05:32:41 AM »

"big coordination"
kol, that's like world peace

funfact, when you google big coordination and go to images, you'll see schools, companies, countries, but never the world in coordination Tongue
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« Reply #159 on: November 05, 2011, 06:10:17 AM »

"big coordination"
kol, that's like world peace

funfact, when you google big coordination and go to images, you'll see schools, companies, countries, but never the world in coordination Tongue
It could be, but that wasn't the only thing I thought of. I meant a planned economy.
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« Reply #160 on: November 06, 2011, 08:15:40 PM »

Aren't the other planets warming slightly?
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« Reply #161 on: November 08, 2011, 01:05:31 PM »

no idea, but it's not important. kol
on the other hand heating up earth is a problem
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« Reply #162 on: November 08, 2011, 01:47:57 PM »

Something killed that multi-decadal oscillation that had been going on for a while, in 1910.

WWI? Although that was in 1914. Theres a bump coinciding with WWII and a dip afterwards until around the 1970s. I don't know if that counts as a multi-decadal oscillation, but yea the last big one (according to the chart) is almost two centuries ago, in the 1820s or so and the cycle got killed around 1910.

Whatever happened around the late 1970s, 1980s, it took off from there.
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« Reply #163 on: November 08, 2011, 09:49:38 PM »

The other continents than Europe and North America I think really started becoming industrialized around then.
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« Reply #164 on: November 20, 2011, 08:10:16 PM »

i read a magazine that has an plan idea to send a rocket ship up and pour out millions of mirros to deflect sunlight. ( it only cost either 6billion or 6 million $)
also, in major cities, nvm
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« Reply #165 on: January 08, 2012, 08:47:16 AM »

We do not have to worry about global warming causing damage to the Human spicies.
There have been many times in Earth's past when the Earth was warmer, Co2 levels were higher, or both!
The age of the Dinosaurs was a time where Antarctica was a rainforest! (not entirle due to the warmth, some due to the air currents). Back then rainforests dominated the land because of increased co2, which were ,much higher that they are today. (as well as global temperatures). But life adapted, and the Earth returned to normal.
We have to remember that we are not orbiting a lightbulb, but a massive explosion held back only by gravity,swinging wildly from it's fluctuation, highly eratic magnetic fieilds. And that even a small change in the sun can have large effects on Earth.
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« Reply #166 on: January 08, 2012, 08:56:49 AM »

We do not have to worry about global warming causing damage to the Human spicies.
There have been many times in Earth's past when the Earth was warmer, Co2 levels were higher, or both!
The age of the Dinosaurs was a time where Antarctica was a rainforest! (not entirle due to the warmth, some due to the air currents). Back then rainforests dominated the land because of increased co2, which were ,much higher that they are today. (as well as global temperatures). But life adapted, and the Earth returned to normal.
We have to remember that we are not orbiting a lightbulb, but a massive explosion held back only by gravity,swinging wildly from it's fluctuation, highly eratic magnetic fieilds. And that even a small change in the sun can have large effects on Earth.
So can a small change in the composition of our atmosphere. Smiley
The point that we don't have to worry about global warming because Earth's temperature has changed in the past is always brought up, but there are two problems:

1: The temperature is increasing very fast. The changes we see in the past from Earth's geological history were much slower compared to this change - they happened over millennia or millions of years, not decades.

Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt (AnnMean J-D column)

2: Just because the temperature can change naturally, it doesn't make it any less harmful. An asteroid can hit us without us being the reason for it. It doesn't mean we should just ignore the asteroid.
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