Author Topic: Dan - Remove the Everything Else forum... (Read 19485 times)

phinehas · « **on:** February 17, 2012, 05:31:05 PM »

matty406 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:39:14 PM »

I personally believe that removing Everything Else will only move the randomness to other, more serious boards. The forum needs a place like Everything else for everything else to go.
We're not the only forum that has such a user base.

Darvince · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:39:42 PM »

I'm literally speechless about this. I can't reply thoughtfully to this.

phinehas · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:43:15 PM »

atomic7732 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:44:47 PM »

No one here would ever see me on again if the Everything Else board was removed.

Bla · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:45:50 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on February 17, 2012, 05:44:47 PM

No one here would ever see me on again if the Everything Else board was removed.

Me neither.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:49:27 PM »

By the way, one thing to say:

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 05:31:05 PM

I have ZERO reason to participate

Then don't.

Don't try to change something that is working just fine as it is.

deoxy99 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:53:34 PM »

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 05:43:15 PM

Quote from: matty406 on February 17, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
I personally believe that removing Everything Else will only move the randomness to other, more serious boards. The forum needs a place like Everything else for everything else to go.
We're the only forum that has such a user base.

That's the reason why forums, especially commerical ones, have admins to deal with a lot of issues, like in the case of this forum, verbal spam.

Being the only official forum for this commerical product...I wouldn't let it become such a mess. There would be a much bigger and vibrant community here if it wasn't chock full of spamtard.

Adios, I'll check in again in another six months....hopefully there will be some changes.

See you, it'll be the same when you come back. And forever.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:54:55 PM »

Quote from: Darvince on February 17, 2012, 05:39:42 PM

I'm literally speechless about this. I can't reply thoughtfully to this.

Mind fail?

Look, phinehas, I want to keep this short and simple.

If you don't like this forum, Then Get The Hell Out.

We're not changing our entire community because you want us too.

Dan Dixon · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2012, 05:59:02 PM »

Thanks for your input.

While I don't admit to understanding everything that goes on in Everything Else (does anyone?), I won't be removing it.

And regardless of your thoughts, using the word "retarded" in a derogatory way is insulting to those with actual mental issues. In the same way that calling something "gay" (in a negative way) is insensitive to homosexuals.

Not having those posts included when you click on "Most recent posts" is a good idea though.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:01:48 PM »

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While I don't admit to understanding everything that goes on in Everything Else (does anyone?), I won't be removing it.

* Points at Me, Deoxy, Naru, ~~Darvince~~, mudkipz, Bla, ~~NuetronStar~~, matty, m0d and other lurkers and guests.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:02:44 PM »

Quote from: Dan Dixon on February 17, 2012, 05:59:02 PM

(does anyone?)

Nope.

Darvince · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:05:10 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on February 17, 2012, 06:02:44 PM

Quote from: Dan Dixon on February 17, 2012, 05:59:02 PM
(does anyone?)
Nope.

If I did, I would have to be a deity.

Dan Dixon · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:13:20 PM »

The link change has been made.

Now when you click on "View the most recent posts on the forum."

It takes you to this link:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php?action=recent;boards=6,7,8,1,2,5

Instead of this:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php?action=recent

Just remove ";boards=6,7,8,1,2,5" at the end to get all recent posts (including Everything Else).

More on the use of the word "retarded" (see the last paragraph in this section).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation#Society_and_culture

phinehas · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:17:45 PM »

Darvince · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:18:16 PM »

I see the same has been done to the Show Unread Posts. Nice work, Dan.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:20:49 PM »

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 06:17:45 PM

stuff

Why does it matter to you? If you don't like how it is here. Don't stay. Is that simple and logical enough for you?

It's ~~almost~~ like getting citizenship to another country, just to vote on laws that don't apply to you.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:21:27 PM »

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Why don't you just get rid of it. Can you even give one logical reason to keep it and allow it to be in it's current state? Do you actually think that if you lose the six people that rely on it to survive another day, that nobody will be here? You will gain more people than you would lose....you however are never going to find that out. Your loss.

Losing some of the oldest active members, a moderator, and the only enthusiastic system and texture maker doesn't matter much? You're askingfor Dan to just throw away a whole community because "You are sure" this will generate revenue. Does he even care about the money?

phinehas · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:23:13 PM »

FiahOwl · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:24:55 PM »

Whenever someone says something like phinehas, let's say that "You're using phinehas logic, you capitalist pig"...

phinehas · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:26:53 PM »

atomic7732 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:26:57 PM »

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 06:23:13 PM

Occam's razor, Dan...you are fighting the simplest and best solution for your commerical product.

You would see, if you read about Occam's razor, it:

Quote from: Wikipedia

recommends that, from among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one

Which, in this case, your suggestion does not seem to be the one making the fewest assumptions.

phinehas · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:29:23 PM »

FiahOwl · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:31:20 PM »

phinehas, stop trying to convince us. You can't.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:34:41 PM »

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 06:29:23 PM

"Which, in this case, your suggestion does not seems to be the one making the fewest assumptions."

The assumption of only about six people here has been the case since the last time I left around six months ago. I think my solution has a better chance of improving the numbers.

You'll notice, if you have been here for a while, that people don't tend to venture into the Everything Else forum as it is. Many users stick around for a while and never make a post there. Of course, they disappear for unknown reasons and may come back months later, but what community isn't comprised of a large deal of those people?

As I have said before, you have no business bothering with something you have already, or so it appears to me, given up on.

matty406 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:35:04 PM »

Guys are we still seriously beating this horse that was just pronounced clinically dead some minutes ago?

Dan Dixon · « **Reply #26 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:36:58 PM »

I am concerned about the perception of the product and I appreciated your suggestion.

And admittedly some of the forum content is confusing and might come across as childish. But that's what happens when you make a product that has such broad age appeal.

If I removed "Everything Else", like matty406 said, the randomness would move to other boards. In fact, that's why "Everything Else" was created in the first place.

Weren't you a kid once too? I was. I made and thought and did and wrote all kinds of crazy stuff. Don't you have any empathy?

This place has become a community for them, however small. I'm not going to destroy that over purely capitalistic concerns.

That said, it's hard to imagine that the financial impact, if any, is notable... Universe Sandbox is selling really well. I've got a handful of people helping out on the next version and it's going to be awesome. In fact, we're working on some experimental stuff I hadn't expected to get to start on until 2013.

I would ask for everyone to keep the posts outside of Everything Else solidly on topic. Consider again that this is not chat, but a forum where each post should contribute to the conversation at hand.

phinehas · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:37:14 PM »

Dan Dixon · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:39:24 PM »

I don't see "Everything Else" as a cancer, but thanks again for the feedback.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 17, 2012, 06:39:46 PM »

Quote from: Dan Dixon on February 17, 2012, 06:36:58 PM

If I removed "Everything Else", like matty406 said, the randomness would move to other boards. In fact, that's why "Everything Else" was created in the first place.

I remember those days.

Quote from: phinehas on February 17, 2012, 06:37:14 PM

Who said I was or even care, which I don't (see Everything Else board for evidence of why using reason would not apply). I only intend to reason with Dan.

>doesn't care
>reasoning anyway

Makes sense.