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Re: Politics
« Reply #570 on: March 24, 2014, 04:00:35 AM »
Nets has now been sold to Bain Capital, Advent International and the Danish fund ATP for 17 billion DKK. This means that now these American organizations have access to information about all the transactions that people in Denmark have made using the Dankort, and we all know how trustworthy USA is in handling personal information.

We have tried a similar thing before, when Kommunedata was sold to Advent International. They promptly fired 10% of the employees, and sold Kommunedata at a profit. Bain Capital is similarly known for buying companies, then fireing emplyees, selling the companies at a profit, and the companies then later going bankrupt, like what happened when they bought the computer company DDi.

This government is acting so stupid, it's a deep disgrace of them to call themselves even social democratic.

Edit: It appears that ATP has got the right to veto any decision to deliver personal information to USA, and that they intend to prevent that. However, the Council for Digital Safety says that the right to veto might not work, as it's questionable whether the company could be forced to follow legislation from USA or Denmark. If it is moved out of EU, there's a considerable risk that the information could be used for hacking or identity theft.

Source:
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2014/03/24/094245.htm
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Vi_foelger/2014/03/24101057.htm
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204331304577140850713493694
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Penge/2014/03/24/150657.htm

In other news, photos from a demonstration in Sydhavnen (southern Copenhagen) against racism, an internationally organized event that happened March 22:

















Images from
http://arbejderen.dk/nyheder/sydhavnen-mod-racisme

Kol the image of the police
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Re: Politics
« Reply #571 on: March 24, 2014, 07:13:49 AM »
I see punk is not dead in Denmark
Also kol on the police like "Oh damn, I think I'll stay inside"

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Re: Politics
« Reply #572 on: March 24, 2014, 02:13:53 PM »
This is an interesting article actually, about the situation in Ukraine for the far right:

Peter Munk Jensen, senior analyzer from Danish Institute for International Studies says that right-nationalist parties currently make up 10 of 20 of the seats in Ukraine's temporary government:
- "They fill a lot in the parlamentary image. And they have everything from the right-nationalist supermarket on their shelves: Hate to immigrants, hate to jews, anti-abortion and removal of taxes on Ukrainian-produced products. It is closely related to fascist and nazi ideology and they use their symbols."

(Svoboda has 6 seats, while the even more extreme Right Sector has 2 seats, and Ukrainian National Congress also has 2.)
Svoboda got 10.5% of the votes in the 2012 election, but besides from that the right-wing parties don't have popular support that makes them worthy of half the seats.

Source: http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2014/03/12/091311.htm

Translated in a hurry because I need sleeep

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Re: Politics
« Reply #573 on: March 25, 2014, 11:26:33 AM »
Here's a 10 minute collection of vids from the demonstrations in Madrid (and riots, starting from 3:00):

http://roarmag.org/2014/03/22m-madrid-march-austerity/

At least 100 were injured, including 65 police people.





« Last Edit: March 25, 2014, 11:52:57 AM by Bla »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #574 on: March 25, 2014, 11:41:36 AM »
https://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml the general assembly of the united nations needs more power than just being a representative body of "we are the people appointed to be in the UN and be fancy"

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Re: Politics
« Reply #575 on: March 26, 2014, 04:04:44 AM »
A 2011 survey of 2,119 people in Denmark showed that 11.2% judged "a strong leader, who did not have to worry about the parlament or elections" to be good or very good.

20% of those voting for Danish People's Party
17% of those voting for Liberal Alliance.
16% voting for Venstre ("Left", a liberal right-wing party).
9% of Conservative People's Party
9% of Radical Left
8% of Social Democrats
8% of Socialist People's Party
6% of Enhedslisten

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http://politiken.dk/indland/politik/ECE1308027/hver-niende-dansker-er-aaben-for-diktatur-i-danmark/
The survey by Analyse Danmark
http://a4.media.avisen.dk/Files/Docs/0000000/20110614_Hver_niende_dansker_flirter_med_dikaturtanker_2011_21.pdf
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Re: Politics
« Reply #577 on: March 31, 2014, 05:26:33 PM »
Mozilla CEO donated money to an anti-gay cause. Outrage ensues.
OkCupid also bars access from Firefox in response.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #578 on: April 02, 2014, 11:23:29 AM »
"1% of the world's musicians earn 77% of their income"

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Kultur/Musik/2014/04/02/143102.htm

Kol.

The article has also described that the situation has actually only gotten worse after digitalization of music, saying that the huge amount of music available makes people stick to what they know or what they immediately see (which is usually the established music industry).

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Re: Politics
« Reply #579 on: April 02, 2014, 07:04:51 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #580 on: April 02, 2014, 07:16:54 PM »
plot twist 4000 dead 140000 injured

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Re: Politics
« Reply #581 on: April 02, 2014, 08:30:27 PM »
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Re: Politics
« Reply #582 on: April 04, 2014, 05:50:23 AM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #583 on: April 10, 2014, 06:12:38 AM »
For once, our government rejects privatization. Our minister of environment says:

"The government doesn't intend to privatize the water sector. Our groundwater is a very important common resource that we have taken care of for generations, and it should stay that way, therefore I have no intentions to let big foreign companies in and make money off our common water."

The director of Danish Water and Wastewater Association also says: "I don't think you can earn much money on Danish water, we can see that if you check the numbers in the report [a report proposing privatizing water], it doesn't get cheaper when it's privately owned."

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http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Politik/2014/04/10/142546.htm

Still, the past privatizations will not be forgotten or forgiven.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #584 on: April 10, 2014, 06:59:36 AM »
Seems to me the only reason they aren't doing it is because they can't get money from it.

Not sure how the other ones went for them.

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« Reply #585 on: April 10, 2014, 09:59:44 AM »
Yes, they got billions of DKK in cash for selling Dong Energy and now Nets too (but of course, and interestingly, only a fraction of what they tend to get sold for a few years later), at the cost of giving up political power - democratic power - over our energy supply, environmental strategy and credit cards, and the surplusses/deficits that the state could have gotten from the companies in the future.

If the state really wanted money though, it'd set a small transaction tax or something like that on the Dankort, like there is on many other payment cards. I'm not saying I'm in favor of this - but I'm pretty sure that would be a better solution, if you need money, than to sell the company once and for all, especially in the long term.

Sadly, the Danish constitution doesn't allow nationalizing companies without compensation, and there's no way the state could possibly pay compensation if it nationalized the large companies or banks. To change that, the parlament would have to approve the change - then a new one would have to be elected - and approve of the change again - and then a referendum, with at least 40% of people voting, would also have to approve it.

This has happened a few times, when women became allowed to vote and a few years ago when males and females became equally allowed to inherit the royal throne. But I don't for a second think it would be realistic that the parlament would change the constitution so companies could be nationalized without gigantic compensations in the near future.

The only thing the socialist parties can try to do while waiting for the revolution is to create new state companies and prevent privatizations. And our current 'socialist' government is hardly doing either.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #586 on: April 11, 2014, 06:38:53 PM »
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Sadly, the Danish constitution doesn't allow nationalizing companies without compensation

Sadly, the only thing that can correct a young mind full of illogical bullshit is for them to grow up, live in the real world and have a family that depends on them or have your ideal Socialist government take everything from you, including your humanity till you realize the error of your ways.  If you don't grow out of the ignorance you will remain a bitter parasite on the teat of productive society always looking for ways for your boot jack thugs to take from others to give to you.  Heaven forbid anything is taken from you, then of course it wouldn't be fair and just.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #587 on: April 11, 2014, 06:45:57 PM »
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Re: Politics
« Reply #588 on: April 11, 2014, 07:12:16 PM »
i liek how you say that and bla is going into free* university for astrophysics
*free means that it is free to the students, and that they get a loan each month so they don't have to work their ass off in a minimum wage job while in university, but that income earners pay more

EDIT: fuck i contradicted phinehas inb4 50 page argument with 20 paragraph posts

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Re: Politics
« Reply #589 on: April 11, 2014, 07:17:21 PM »

phinehas you are at level 1 congratulations you have moved up one level over 50 years

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Re: Politics
« Reply #590 on: April 11, 2014, 07:23:36 PM »
Darvince, don't worry, actually the university is free as in it's paid for by the state (which of course isn't free as it's supplied by other people) and I earn money (although a low amount compared to it taking the time of more than a full-time job, but with more vacation, making it equal to one, even though I personally have no problems with my economic situation), entirely given to me by the state, so I can be an evil parasite on the poor taxpayers until the education will hopefully grant me access to early retirement, which is my goal with the studies. (Sadly, there wasn't a study called early retirement, so I just went into physics instead, same thing)

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« Reply #591 on: April 11, 2014, 07:51:25 PM »
Your illogical thought process is like the Declaration of Independence, self evident.

"Sadly, the Danish constitution doesn't allow nationalizing companies without compensation"

Can easily be destroyed by changing the wording to show how wrong it is.

"Sadly, the the Danish constitution doesn't allow Bla's current and future productivity and assests to be taken without compensation."

 If you can't see it after this then there is no hope for you...Sadly.

Sometimes you really..really don't need to go very high up on your food pyramid there to show how wrong a person's thoughts are.  You are either dumb, as in you're a young kid kind of dumb, so indoctrinated like a North Korean that you have fooled yourself or simply crazy...not medical treatment crazy but irritating crazy, the kind of crazy that expects people to take care of them all their lives crazy and doesn't see what's wrong with that.


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Re: Politics
« Reply #592 on: April 11, 2014, 08:07:49 PM »
You have so clearly explained your point there that you needed to personally attack your opponent(s).

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Re: Politics
« Reply #593 on: April 11, 2014, 08:46:17 PM »
I have crystals in my house. Why haven't you moved to a nursing home yet? Is it because you don't want to think you're mooching off of other people?
Everyone in the history of the world has mooched off of people, except you. You are special, and you are better than everyone else. You have never taken from anyone, whether they wanted to give it to you or not. Your house was built from lumber that you chopped down, metal that you mined and smelted yourself, and your computer was built carefully with your own hands in order to get its parts as small as possible. You provide yourself with your internet connection, which you carefully crafted to go from your router that you built yourself to the local fiber optics.

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« Reply #594 on: April 11, 2014, 09:12:45 PM »
Nice to see irrationality circle the wagons.  First off, if you were born yesterday, I would still be closer to your age than I am from the point of being in a nursing home.  Does that make you a little baby?

"Everyone in the history of the world has mooched off of people, except you."

That's just not true, most people are self sustaining and don't require assistance from anyone when they become an adult.  It's also not mooching being a child under the guardianship and responsibility of parents.  Perhaps you see your own situation as mooching and in that case, you should consider what you are doing to feel that way.  I'm not special, the vast majority of civilization up until recent times did not have the luxury of demanding or expecting other citizens to work harder in order to "take care of them."

"You have never taken from anyone, whether they wanted to give it to you or not."

When somebody takes something from somebody, it's usually called stealing.  At least in rational and civilized circles.  Have I been given something in my lifetime?  Of course but receiving something voluntarily given is not the same as taking something by force.  I seriously hope you understand that concept.

"Your house was built from lumber that you chopped down, metal that you mined and smelted yourself, and your computer was built carefully with your own hands in order to get its parts as small as possible. You provide yourself with your internet connection, which you carefully crafted to go from your router that you built yourself to the local fiber optics."

Nice try Obama but that's a stupid argument.  I WORKED hard and paid somebody for the lumber, the metal, the computer I got from the kid at Best Buy who would know more about computers if they never saw one.  Paying for the internet structure, bandwidth, electricity...yup, all paid for at a price by somebody selling it.

Your strawmen have been burnt down.




 

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« Reply #595 on: April 11, 2014, 09:22:17 PM »
You have so clearly explained your point there that you needed to personally attack your opponent(s).

I guess if I was an atheist and British, it would all come across as simply telling the truth with no time to waste on pleasantries.  Sorry Junior(ette), you guys want to post all your anti-religion posts with mocking impunity but can't take a little bluntness when it comes to your anti-evolutionary, anti-science and anti-thinking political/social views.  Cry me a river.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000345585/polls_cry_me_a_river_4838_417763_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

for some of you...

http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/568916/resized_creepy-willy-wonka-meme-generator-you-want-to-go-skiing-you-say-cry-me-a-river-e76380.jpg

and yet for others...

https://www.google.com/search?q=cry+me+a+river&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=075IU4KzFa6GyQGl-4G4Bg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1158&bih=713#q=leave+britnney+alone&tbm=isch&imgdii=1KtJNWyRQviy9M%3A%3Bvl_UGRLBNrVPMM%3B1KtJNWyRQviy9M%3A

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Re: Politics
« Reply #596 on: April 11, 2014, 09:23:06 PM »
I'm not special, the vast majority of civilization up until recent times did not have the luxury of demanding or expecting other citizens to work harder in order to "take care of them."

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the premise of socialism (evidenced by this statement and others like it which you have made above and in the past). I can't speak for others, but it comes off to me as: The goal is for everyone to work for the prosperity of everyone, where everyone gets something they lack in return for what they can give... Just not driven solely by profit and personal greed of a few who do not know how to effectively construct a system of labor that is best for society.

If you don't grow out of the ignorance you will remain a bitter parasite on the teat of productive society always looking for ways for your boot jack thugs to take from others to give to you.

Socialism doesn't apply to one person, it applies to everyone.

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« Reply #597 on: April 11, 2014, 09:30:10 PM »
"The goal is for everyone to work for the prosperity of everyone, where everyone gets something they lack in return for what they can give... Just not driven solely by profit and personal greed of a few who do not know how to effectively construct a system of labor that is best for society."

PLEASE point to one instance of this happening and being successful?  You can't find it and you won't ever see it.  Why?  Because it denies reality, it's not logical and it doesn't work.  The only people that promote Socialism and it's equivalents are Tyrants, tyrant lackeys and North Korean citizens "working" and being "re-educated" inside camp 25.  EVEN the Communist Chinese and Russians had to drop the craziness and facade and utilize the Capitalistic economics to survive and not implode.

"Socialism doesn't apply to one person, it applies to everyone."

Sure, all equally miserable...except for the Comrades at the top doing all the Social planning.  Please pick up a history book, not an editorial by Mao, Hitler or Marx and see what happens when all that Social planning get's full reign.  Yup, concentration camps and mass murders followed by the interdiction from Capitalistic people to pull the unlucky masses from the grave.  If only we could leave the people behind who started it, promoted it and are in delusion by it so that they don't perpetuate the falsehood and corruption of Utopia.

Adios, I'm done for awhile...have fun counting to a million and dreaming of a world where it's all one big hippie commune that doesn't have to wake up in the morning to wash off the filth and work for a living.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #598 on: April 11, 2014, 09:50:01 PM »
Because it denies reality, it's not logical and it doesn't work.
I would argue capitalism is the same, and to think that works is just silly. It is at odds with the common good and society in general. It is interesting to note that there are people struggling to find work when there is obviously so much work to be done, but if it can't be rapidly overturned for a profit, in the end no one will be doing it.

Adios, I'm done for awhile...have fun counting to a million and dreaming of a world where it's all one big hippie commune that doesn't have to wake up in the morning to wash off the filth and work for a living.
I have no problem working... as long as its improving society, and not just filling someone's bank account to idle, effectively removing money from the economy.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #599 on: April 11, 2014, 10:01:08 PM »
my soul when

You think Hitler was a socialist???