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Re: Politics
« Reply #540 on: February 14, 2014, 05:04:43 PM »
No, everyone who has the slightest religious thought is obviously completely corrupted and needs to be killed immediately so that the world isn't stuck at the level of pre-human times where all protohumans were religious and constantly killed each other because they had a religious thought when they were 26 and wandering around the savanna, looking at clouds.

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« Reply #541 on: February 14, 2014, 06:14:01 PM »
This is hard I side with the last post I read and can't form my own conclusions XD

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« Reply #542 on: February 15, 2014, 05:16:39 AM »
It's as if you think Christianity is this magic force that corrupts people from the inside out. There are bad Christians, and there are good Christians, and it all hinges on how much they individually interpret their faith.
And I do think christianity is a corruptive and evil force. But I still agree there are bad and good christians. But how they interpret their book doesn't change the fact that the book is evil, as the book states that people should be considered sub-human for biological reasons or because they don't believe the book or follow random, irrational rules.

Let me give a very different example: Person x considers itself a nazi. However it doesn't think anyone should be killed, in fact it doesn't think anyone should be discriminated against for biological reasons. Does the fact that the person's views are like that/not evil combined with the fact that the person is a nazi mean that nazism isn't an evil force? I would say no. Nazism is still the same evil, oppressive, hateful ideology. And the same applies to any other system of opinions, beliefs, etc.

Some believe they must relay the word of god, no matter how harsh it is, they probably even warp the faith for their own needs.
Others, though, have the faith to do as much good as they can.
But why do you say those who do the bad things are probably warping the faith, while those who do good things aren't warping the faith? It might as well be the other way around.

I think we should all have what's called tolerance, an acceptance to one's beliefs. Obviously there should be a universal border where one's beliefs should NOT be accepted, because their views are harmful, discriminating, obscene, or in general just negative. What I mean by universal is that, everyone should take into consideration about one's beliefs.
I agree with that, but I think many beliefs that religions like christianity promote are in fact harmful and disriminating.

That doesn't mean I think random christian people I don't know are automatically intolerant or should be treated badly. It simply means that I think christianity as a system of ideas should not be respected, because it's not respectful or rational.

No, everyone who has the slightest religious thought is obviously completely corrupted and needs to be killed immediately so that the world isn't stuck at the level of pre-human times where all protohumans were religious and constantly killed each other because they had a religious thought when they were 26 and wandering around the savanna, looking at clouds.
Sarcasm as always... Sarcasm is generally not a very good way to communicate in a friendly way or to discuss, it's a way of making fun of other's ideas while hiding your own. It can be fun when used for friendly jokes but if you want to join a discussion you should consider just showing your honest opinions and arguments instead.
In case the post was directed me I can say that I don't think people should be killed because of their religion at all.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #543 on: February 15, 2014, 01:16:40 PM »
Let me give a very different example: Person x considers itself a nazi. However it doesn't think anyone should be killed, in fact it doesn't think anyone should be discriminated against for biological reasons. Does the fact that the person's views are like that/not evil combined with the fact that the person is a nazi mean that nazism isn't an evil force? I would say no. Nazism is still the same evil, oppressive, hateful ideology. And the same applies to any other system of opinions, beliefs, etc.
Can I just say this is a very good way of putting it? Because it is.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #544 on: February 18, 2014, 07:34:26 AM »
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/02/17/218219/native-americans-vow-a-last-stand.html
"Native Americans vow a last stand to block Keystone XL pipeline"

now why did i post this? only because i found the following comment on the reddit thread:

"The pipeline creators have assured us that the environmental impact will be minimal, but the Native Americans still have reservations."

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Re: Politics
« Reply #545 on: February 19, 2014, 03:35:13 AM »

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« Reply #546 on: February 19, 2014, 05:04:11 AM »
Why don't they just make a Ukrainian Republic

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Re: Politics
« Reply #547 on: February 19, 2014, 06:51:42 AM »
Grand Duchy of Kiev

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« Reply #548 on: February 19, 2014, 11:15:14 AM »
Because they want all of the Ukraine to join the EU, and they probably won't settle for a result with two Ukraines, one influenced by Russia and one influenced by the West.

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« Reply #549 on: February 19, 2014, 11:43:00 AM »
Meanwhile in Russia, Pussy Riot is attacked by 'cossacks' (who work as extra police force in the area) as they begin to sing in front of an advertisement for Sochi.

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http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2014/02/19/172506.htm

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Re: Politics
« Reply #550 on: February 20, 2014, 10:29:06 AM »
The police has been armed with guns in Kiev now. The riots are probably doomed.

(Warning: Video shows people getting shot.)
Shooting people in Kiev / Стральба па пратэстоўцах у Кіеве. (20.02.2014, APTN)

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« Reply #551 on: February 20, 2014, 01:24:06 PM »
i hope not
warning: person on fire

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Re: Politics
« Reply #552 on: February 23, 2014, 02:29:39 PM »

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« Reply #553 on: February 24, 2014, 07:51:40 AM »
is every region of the world protesting something right now

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« Reply #554 on: February 24, 2014, 05:08:44 PM »
even in bongatar

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« Reply #555 on: February 24, 2014, 06:07:13 PM »
bongatar is your bedroom silly bong

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« Reply #556 on: February 24, 2014, 07:04:27 PM »
there is protesting

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« Reply #557 on: February 24, 2014, 08:10:53 PM »
are you yelling at your parents about your bedtime

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« Reply #558 on: February 25, 2014, 12:57:46 PM »
yaeh

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Re: Politics
« Reply #559 on: February 26, 2014, 01:53:43 PM »
Kol, someone at college often wears a shirt with this


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« Reply #560 on: February 26, 2014, 02:30:02 PM »
is that a lampshade

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« Reply #562 on: March 02, 2014, 01:13:12 PM »
7 years after the demolition of Ungdomshuset in Nørrebro, people still demonstrate. "Nothing forgotten, nothing forgiven."

PÃ¥ 7-Ã¥rsdagen for Ungdomshusets rydning: Intet Glemt, Intet Tilgivet - Demonstration 1/3 2014

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« Reply #563 on: March 03, 2014, 08:02:13 PM »
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« Reply #564 on: March 04, 2014, 07:22:28 AM »
Kol "not a fair fight" that is hilarious



I'm not saying I support what Russia is doing, but wtf. I guess the west should've stayed out of Iraq too then, because it had a bigger military than Iraq. Brilliant logic.

And John Kerry:
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It is really a stunning, willful choice by President Putin to invade another country...You just don’t in the 21st century behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext.
Let's see... Iraq invaded in 2003 bases on the claim that it had weapons of mass destruction, which it turned out to have... Nope, I agree completely with him I guess, USA isn't a civilized country at all.


Some info on privatization in Denmark:

Over the past 25 years, 40 state-owned companies or stakes have been sold.

In the 90's under social democratic government: Tele Danmark sold for 31 billion DKK, GiroBank sold, Copenhagen Airport and the Data Central sold.

Under bourgeois government: Post Danmark (postal service), Scandlines (ferries), State Institution for Life Insurance, Bella Center (congress center) and The State's Car Inspection.

Telephones:
1897: The many regional telephone companies are nationalized, and from then and on, only the state could operate and building telephone lines because of their importance to society.
1990: The telephone operation is centralized in one company, Tele Danmark.
1994: The stakes are expanded and the state's stocks fall to 41% in Tele Danmark.
1996: Tele Danmark lost its monopoly on telephone lines and had to make its infrastructure available to competitors.
1997-1998: Under a social democratic government, all the remaining stakes in Tele Denmark is sold to Ameritech and thus privatization was completed.
2000: Tele Danmark changes name to TDC.
2005: TDC was re-sold to five capital funds for 97 billion DKK - 3 times the amount that the state got.
"2 months after the sale, large stock profits were paid which were 57% of the value TDC had just been bought for. It is a classic way, especially for the big capital funds, to work. You buy companies, public or private, and then extract values from them."
- Stine Brix (Enhedslisten)

Postal service:
1851: Due to common theft of money when sent in letters, the postal service made it possible to give money to one postal office, and receive them at another.
1920: The postal giro office is created, which made it easier to handle the money streams, which was an alternative to the banks' clearing system.
1988: The postal giro service is turned into a state company which was named GiroBank 3 years later.
1993: The state sold GiroBank.
1995: GiroBank fuses with another bank and becomes BG Bank.
2000: BG Bank fuses with Realkredit Danmark into RealDanmark and were then bought by Danske Bank for 27 billion DKK.

Some quotes from former ministers responsible for some of the privatizations:

"Society's values are given away. It almost physically hurts for me to see what's happening.
- Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (Social Democrats) about the sale of Dong Energy

"Today I would probably have kept the state ownerhip of the copper network."
- Mogens Lykketoft (Social Democrats)

"Both Copenhagen's Airports and TDC's copper cables are so vital parts of society's infrastructure that they should never have been sold to private companies. When you sit in a capital fund, you don't think about the wellbeing of the Danish state. You think about your stockholders."
- Brian Mikkelsen (Conservative People's Party)

"Enhedslisten can hardly express it better."

From an article in Rød+Grøn (magazine for members of Enhedlisten)

In the near future, following the wildly unpopular sale of Dong Energy, there are discussions of privatizing cleaning services for elderly people and public buildings etc., more railway lines, and Nets (which I wrote about earlier).

So much for a social democratic government.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #565 on: March 21, 2014, 08:14:15 AM »

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« Reply #566 on: March 21, 2014, 11:21:55 AM »
Have all past civilizations thought they'd just continue to advance forever like us (us being Western civilization)

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« Reply #567 on: March 21, 2014, 03:08:04 PM »
Have all past civilizations thought they'd just continue to advance forever like us (us being Western civilization)
Probably.

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« Reply #568 on: March 22, 2014, 03:51:34 PM »
And Madrid joins the list of cities with riots (video in top of article) as 'left extremists' attack the police.

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2014/03/22/0322214325.htm

They're over now though I think.

"If the crisis in Europe continued and states are threatened with collapse, what would happen?"

What do you think would happen?

Some of my guesses are here. Spain and Greece are most threatened by collapse I think, especially Greece, and both would probably turn to socialism, although there's also a risk of fascists seizing power in Greece (even though they're a small minority compared to the left, but had support from parts of the police, however they've probably lost the opportunity now after all the troubles their party has got in).

Scandinavia and Iceland, while currently being some of the most stable states (except Iceland), might probably turn to socialism as well, here the far left is much bigger than the far right, even though the center right and left may fluctuate. The recent growth of Danish People's Party proves that in case the problems get bigger, the far right might actually grow dangerously big here.

The recent events in Serbia seem to suggest that the country might turn to socialism if the crisis grows deeper.

Nationalist and conservative movements are thriving in Poland and Ukraine, and they'll probably descend into that direction if threatened with (further in Ukraine's case) collapse. Eatern Ukraine, however, would probably resist and turn to Russia or if that's impossible, to the left. Romania quite surely also would not turn to socialism, which leaves the field open to nationalist movements.

Idk very much about Finland's situation, so it's mostly a guess that they'd turn in a nationalist direction. UK Matty might have a more qualified guess on than me, Scotland however might seize the opportunity to declare independence, however I think their main movement for independence can be described as a non-fascist, leftist 'nationalism'.

France and Portugal have thriving leftist movements that I think would be stronger than the rightist movements. Italy, Ireland and Turkey I don't know, but they all seem in unstable situations. The Netherlands and Belgium might turn to socialism, also mostly a guess.

Germany, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein are probably among the least likely to collapse so I'm not really going to bother guessing too much here. If Europe gets drawn deeply into crisis and countries do collapse, my guess for Germany would be turning left. White countries I'm not going to guess at.

While Russia's communist party is probably the strongest in all of Europe in terms of popular support, I think it's unlikely they're actually going to accomplish much that has to do with socialism at all.
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« Reply #569 on: March 22, 2014, 04:52:51 PM »
what