Author Topic: Map War 2 - G7 (Read 1413660 times)

blotz · « **Reply #3750 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:24:57 AM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on February 04, 2012, 10:22:20 AM

Quote from: bong on February 04, 2012, 10:16:33 AM
i like invasioins!

Also, your surrounded by enemies!

Also I can fight off two powahs at once? The flipping hell? Canada can fight off Brazil and Mexio, and you DARE to call yourself a power?

Hey, i have to fight Bla, and you.

vh · « **Reply #3751 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:26:41 AM »

* mudkipz glances at matty

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3752 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:30:04 AM »

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vh · « **Reply #3753 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:30:21 AM »

* mudkipz glances at matty again

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3754 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:31:53 AM »

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matty406 · « **Reply #3755 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:02:29 AM »

Did I use 15? I think I used 15.

Bla · « **Reply #3756 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:06:37 AM »

You spent 20.

What do everyone think of:

* Not allowing the one who won the last game to win.
* Have the last winner manage the scoreboard and check the maps against the rules.
* The last winner can choose not to manage the scoreboard/rules, and someone else can then do it instead.

The one who manages the scoreboard can't play?
Then again, how can we get people to want to keep track of the scoreboard instead of playing...

vh · « **Reply #3757 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:18:24 AM »

* Not allowing the one who won the last game to win.
Not agreesh. What if alliance wins? diplomagic

* Have the last winner manage the scoreboard and check the maps against the rules.
Ok?
* The last winner can choose not to manage the scoreboard/rules, and someone else can then do it instead.
Then would anyone at all volunteer?

The one who manages the scoreboard can't play?
Noooooooooooooooooooo
Then again, how can we get people to want to keep track of the scoreboard
ikr

matty406 · « **Reply #3758 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:19:48 AM »

asdfgsad. But it's still a valid move as I had 20 available?

Bla · « **Reply #3759 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:20:42 AM »

1: The largest nation in the alliance would then manage it, or someone from the alliance would volunteer.

3: In any case you will have to volunteer. I can't force someone on the internet to sit and manage a scoreboard. They could just leave the thread, and if they didn't want to, I guess they might as well just do what they can to not win the game.

Matty: Yes.

vh · « **Reply #3760 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:24:27 AM »

* mudkipz glances at mw3 programming/game attempt

solution
to
all
our
scorebords

Bla · « **Reply #3761 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:25:57 AM »

But I'm a programming noob. I don't even know how to make it work with network or anything...
Yes, I'd like to finish it. But I think it would take... Maybe even years.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #3762 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:27:43 AM »

Mudkipz, there's a difference to playing it by yourself against an AI than with actual people.

Bla · « **Reply #3763 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:35:03 AM »

I'll make it work with people if I can figure out networking. We'd still need a server/com to host it.

Making it work against AI...
So far I have made an AI that picks a random zone at first, and then claims random zones bordering zones owned by the AI usually until it is out of resources. However, sometimes it claims zones not bordering zones it already has.
There's no infrastructure on the zones either. And the map is just a grid of square zones.
You can conquer AI zones, but they won't conquer other zones. You win by conquering all the zones.

So it's just a prototype, sort of. Not fun to play in the current stage, but I think I know how to implement much of the gameplay if I have time. I don't know how to make a good AI that actually plans a strategy, and I don't know how I should make the game network though. And I tried to implement a bit of interface (mouse), but so far it failed.

vh · « **Reply #3764 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:39:09 AM »

do the score board checking turnwised.
as in
you must check the person who went before you before going

and

make some exceptions and rules regarding checking allies

Bla · « **Reply #3765 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:41:30 AM »

But that would take forever. The scoreboard is updated once a round. And there's no way to check someone's diplomatic stance against each other. You can PM or chat privately to plan things... So either we trust people to update it fairly or we don't.

Also,

vh · « **Reply #3766 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:11:15 PM »

making scorer not play won't stop that either. People could pm each other to bargain to overlook something next game when it's their turn to score. So you either trust people or don't. If you don't, then do progrms or check it yourself. If you do, then let people check. Two people checking would also help prevent corrupsion.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #3767 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:15:31 PM »

Quote from: mudkipz on February 04, 2012, 12:11:15 PM

making scorer not play won't stop that either. People could pm each other to bargain to overlook something next game when it's their turn to score. So you either trust people or don't. If you don't, then do progrms or check it yourself. If you do, then let people check. Two people checking would also help prevent corrupsion.

It's everyone's job to make sure it's right anyway...

Darn look how good I was doing. Too bad if I happened to win I would have obviously thought it was planned. Yay myself!

Lose-lose situations ftl. And they are everywhere!

I really need to stop coming in this topic. I'll never get over it. Why bother?

And every time I'm back to normal and about to do something. This happens. I'm not meant to do anything am I. Goddamn it!!!!!!!!

Bla · « **Reply #3768 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:16:24 PM »

Mudkipz, the problem with having everyone check every turn is that then a round will take much longer, because first everyone will have to take their turns, but then they will have to check the turns in the order they took their turn in when the scoreboard is updated.

Imo the best option is to have one person to check for a game, and then let people check if it is done correctly or not. After all, all you need to check is equally public for everyone, so you can point out any error the game manager makes.
Whether that person should be me or someone else and how it should be decided in that case... Idk.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #3769 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Bla on February 04, 2012, 12:16:24 PM

After all, all you need to check is equally public for everyone

I beg to differ. Either I'm stupid or something. I've never been able to check since like game 2.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3770 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:24:18 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #3771 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:25:02 PM »

it'll be amusing to see how many people will check "game manager"

vh · « **Reply #3772 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:25:27 PM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on February 04, 2012, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: atomic7732 on February 04, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
Either i'm stupid or i'm something else. I've never been able to check since like game 2.

Fix'd.

Fix'd

Bla · « **Reply #3773 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:25:50 PM »

You need the maps and the rules. You can use the rules or Blacalc to calculate the resources a nation may spend. Then you can use the Blacalc to check how much the nation spent on the map. Then you can change its production, zones, etc. It gets tricky in late game and in big wars, because you have to check how much other players lose too, and there is no easy method for that.

But when I check resources etc, I only use the rules and Blacalc.

Fiah: You're not stupid if you can't check it. It can get really, really hard in a late game war... In game three the results often ended up being a bit off when I checked the map every once in a while... Errors accumulate over many turns. It wasn't because I was trying to cheat, but it's really hard not to make just one mistake when checking a big map with many things to take into account. Usually it's not because I can't remember the rules, but the biggest problem is remembering how many of each thing were built/claimed/conquered from each player after and while counting them. I put them into GIMP and use a "difference" filter at high opacity to make it more clear or quickly swap back and forth between two map images of succeding turns.

I'd volunteer to be game manager. I'm not sure if it meant I couldn't play, though.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3774 on:** February 07, 2012, 09:02:54 AM »

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deoxy99 · « **Reply #3775 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:12:17 AM »

Which would be now!

deoxy99 · « **Reply #3776 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:21:18 AM »

Done.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3777 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:22:10 AM »

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deoxy99 · « **Reply #3778 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:22:49 AM »

Thanks, I'll correct my turn with that in mind.

Also, thank you for letting me take my turn, Fiah.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #3779 on:** February 07, 2012, 11:30:10 AM »

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