Author Topic: Politics (Read 388462 times)

Bla · « **Reply #60 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:54:38 AM »

We're getting a new government.

In the election from yesterday, the Unity List/Red-Green Alliance (my favorite party) has tripled the number of votes it got, to 237,001 votes (6.7%) (In Copenhagen, it got 16.6%, in one district of the city even 27.6%!). The Conservative People's Party has lost half its votes. The Danish People's Party (probably the worst party) is losing votes for the first time in an election. The Christian Democrats got less than 2% and are no longer in the Danish parliament.
Well, those were the awesome things.

I like how the Unity List is now bigger than our conservative party.

Red bloc (50.2%):
Unity List: 6.7%
Socialist People's Party: 9.2%
Social Democrats: 24.8%
Radical Left: 9.5% (

)

Blue bloc (49.4%):
~~Christian Democrats: 0.8%~~
Left: 26.7%
Conservative People's Party: 4.9%
Liberal Alliance: 5%
Danish People's Party: 12.3%

Also, I see the Danish LGBT organization has asked lots of politicians lots of questions and made loooong documents with their voting history on LGBT equality. I like how people from the Unity List perfectly answer "Do you think the religious communities should be able to decide by themselves whether they want to marry people of the same gender?" (Currently, the law forbids it)
- "Yes - State and religion don't belong together, and just as religion has nothing to say in the parliament, the parliament shouldn't interfere with the religions' traditions and rituals."
- "Yes - We should seperate state and church, and in my opinion, we thus can't make laws about who the religious communities must marry or not. As an atheist, it's hard for me to understand why you would want to be a part of a religious community, which doesn't accept you as the one you are..."
- "Yes - But you could of course imagine the opposite situation, that the parliament says yes and the religious communities say no. Should the parliament not interefere with the religious communities' affairs in that case?"
- "It is completely stupid to have a club, where the homosexuals are kept out. If they can't manage not discriminating, maybe they should just stop marrying people completely."
- "No - I'd actually rather abolish the religious communities' authority to marry people, but as long as they have that authority, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate."
- "Yes - Yes, I think so, but notice the reason: Church and state should, in my opinion, be seperated completely, which implies that the church no longer ought to carry out the tasks of the authorities. This implies again, that marriages, in legal sense, should be carried out by the authorities (in the city halls). And afterwards, it must also, without interference from the state, be the decisions of the religious communities themselves to regulate their internal matters. Then, they can choose to do it in ways I would find sympathetic or unpleasent - but it must be their own decisions.

I like how deeply hypocritical the Christian Democrats are on that matter. From their almost actually sympathetic-sounding words about minorities in general, I'd think they'd know better. I also like how often people in Denmark say "Christian extremism is no problem on this side of the Atlantic..."... But...

- "No - I'm a Christian. And the Bible is the best guidance for life. God is love. But marriage between two of the same gender is an abomination and rebellion against God. - Marriages in the church or blessings of homophiles etc. are frauds towards the homophiles etc."
- "If you force this on the established church, it will cease to exist, because people will be pouring out of it. So even if you forced the established church to do it, it would only be temporary, because the established church would cease to exist - but then there would be resemblance in the words, if you assume the free church doesn't simply take over....."
SO LET IT HAPPEN SO WE CAN GET RID OF THIS ... Kol.

- "Yes - I ought to have written "NO", but I guess it will be misunderstood in the schedule. It is not up to the religious community to decide on God the Lord's ways who God should bless. The Bible contains many examples of humans who want to "bless", where God doesn't! Only a fool doesn't fear God's wrath!"

Wow... I'm actually surprised such fossilized people exist in Denmark. Even I would almost think the Christian Democrats were just a bunch of liberal, peaceful Christians who ~~no longer cared about The Bible~~ were better at interpreting The Bible in more peaceful and tolerant ways... But no. I'm glad that they're out of the parliament for now.

vh · « **Reply #61 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:59:05 AM »

large wall of text intimidates meh
i did read the bold parts

Bla · « **Reply #62 on:** September 16, 2011, 12:00:41 PM »

The start is most "important". The last two parts are just my comparation of clever and stupid politicians.

vh · « **Reply #63 on:** September 16, 2011, 12:01:30 PM »

my comparison of smart and stupid politicians

ok people!
the smart ones are smart

all the other ones are stupid

tada!

matty406 · « **Reply #64 on:** September 17, 2011, 05:45:55 AM »

A form for the electoral register came today, and it made me wonder: If voting is a right, does having to be added to a register make voting a privilege?

Bla · « **Reply #65 on:** September 17, 2011, 09:51:15 AM »

Quote from: matty406 on September 17, 2011, 05:45:55 AM

A form for the electoral register came today, and it made me wonder: If voting is a right, does having to be added to a register make voting a privilege?

If the definition of privilege is "the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities", then...
If the register is easily available to everyone, no.

But since you already have to be older than probably 18 to vote, it's already a privilege in any case. (I'm not saying that's a bad idea, just pointing it out.)

vh · « **Reply #66 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:02:22 PM »

"Republicans seem to think everyone starts life at level 1 with a leather tunic and a shortsword."

m435 · « **Reply #67 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:22:17 PM »

I kind of hate being in a republic. If we lost the revolutionary war war we would be like Australia. Free but still be under the crown of England. Australia was a settlement for British convicts, Scottish & Irish rebels & troublemakers,the usa was settled by social misfits & rejects with the exception of Virginia.

deoxy99 · « **Reply #68 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:25:41 PM »

I think the United States will become Socialist, and/or we'll fall apart, with states seceding, maybe if #Occupy fails.

Actually, I think we should just kill Obama or the senator of my state. $:-\$

vh · « **Reply #69 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:38:00 PM »

hay! hay! death threats result in baddd things! so STFU!

deoxy99 · « **Reply #70 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:42:43 PM »

Not when Obama is screwing our country over... $:-\$

We don't care if you are the first African-American in office, do your damn job!

vh · « **Reply #71 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:45:44 PM »

*insert your mom joke here*

but still, i've read/heard that secret service actually keep track of the millions of death threats to presidents. They access them according to whether they are a threat or not. Good thing you're not

screwing your mawm (in your skirt)

deoxy99 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:48:41 PM »

... They can go to hell... we have Free Speech, so we have to be allowed to say it... $:-\$

And, we have free press, therefore we can print whatever we want in the newspapers, type whatever we want on the internet, and that sort of stuff.

vh · « **Reply #73 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:54:50 PM »

ummm
sorry but no

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287353,00.html

http://www.maconnews.com/news/1056-man-sentenced-to-20-years-for-threatening-to-kill-president-bush-first-lady-and-others

oh and they threatened on the internet too. probably some random forum like this.

vh · « **Reply #74 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:57:22 PM »

also i don't get the hate for presidents.
When bush was elected everyone hated him
and then he got re-elected
and people hated him more
So obama became president
and everyone hates him too
ic a trend

deoxy99 · « **Reply #75 on:** October 12, 2011, 06:58:50 PM »

You want to know why? Our economy is still dying, they cut the important stuff like health care to save money, and we are just angry about that.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #76 on:** October 12, 2011, 07:02:48 PM »

He won't listen mudkipz, don't bother, he's too stubborn.

vh · « **Reply #77 on:** October 12, 2011, 07:09:30 PM »

the temptation...
arg... *half-strangles self*

Alot to be angry about, that is. Rage all the time if you expect near-perfection, you must do.
Much anger in you, there is. Hmmmmmm.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #78 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:33:23 PM »

Yoda much?

Darvince · « **Reply #79 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:13:47 PM »

Suddenly I thought of Hindu != Hindhu

vh · « **Reply #80 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:57:59 AM »

yeah i put it into some yoda-translator

whats hinduism got to do with this

Bla · « **Reply #81 on:** October 14, 2011, 08:51:14 AM »

@ Deoxy:

I think you will find a big amount of Socialists in the Occupy Wall Street event... It's very typical of ~~them~~ us to fight elitism, where a few rich people own mountains of money while many people are starving and facing economic problems, and Wall Street is home to many of those excessively rich people.

As for USA "falling to Socialism", Europe has been far more Socialist for a long time, and has not fallen yet. If anything, USA (and maybe the rest of the world) will fall to Capitalism - depletion of important resources like oil because of mindless corporations continuing to own the vast majority of the economic power on the planet, which mindlessly do whatever gives them profit in the short term and ignoring what is important for our planet and the people.

Obama gave some good promises compared to the other stupid people in the white house, which were closer to Socialism than the very inactive stance he might have begun to take on things. I think because USA only has two major parties, so he tries to defend (and move towards) the center, because he knows the rest which is left of it is secured.
As for cutting health-care to save money, that's the exact OPPOSITE of Socialism. In Socialism, you would raise taxes to get enough money for the healthcare. So blaming your country's problems on Socialism is empty words.

Actually the whole "country falling to Socialism" rests on a premise I don't agree with, that Socialism is something you "fall into", which is bad. Socialism is good.

I think a big part of the economic problems of the world could be solved if we could stop corporations from just moving around freely and exploiting whereever they can get the lowest tax rate. The big corporations have way too much power and the economy of entire states rest on what those undemocratic institutions decide. Capitalism is undemocratic - the politics may be democratic, but the ownership of the means of production are not, and the politics are deeply influences by and tied to the production!

deoxy99 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 14, 2011, 09:25:09 AM »

It will just become socialist is what I meant.

Actually, I'm a Capitalist-Socialist.

Just do this America: Become a Satsunic nation. It's not my idea, it's Nue's.

Bla · « **Reply #83 on:** October 14, 2011, 09:36:16 AM »

A Social liberalist or a Social democrat maybe?

deoxy99 · « **Reply #84 on:** October 14, 2011, 10:31:26 AM »

Ugh, I hate these terms in Politics. Hell, I even hate my own country's party names. Republican and Democrat? Really America? Aren't we already a Democratic Republic?

I probably actually hope my country becomes Socialist. Just once! Because the rich and the poor will be balanced and the classes would not exist, and the poor would get money and the rich would lose money (in your face!).

Another problem? The rich aren't taxed accordingly in our country. If they were taxed a lot, then we'd be out of a recession most likely.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #85 on:** October 14, 2011, 02:53:14 PM »

Left social authoritarian here!

Bla · « **Reply #86 on:** October 15, 2011, 03:00:19 AM »

Kolyes. It's important that you just don't get attached to the ideologies/terms, but put yourself into the categories based on your opinions.
I generally don't like categories. Especially not in art or essays. The way we're told to fit our works into those categories in school seems ridiculous. I don't even think the real artists do that. We should make something, and have it put into the categories afterwards, if anything.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #87 on:** October 15, 2011, 12:02:17 PM »

Too difficult.

Bla · « **Reply #88 on:** October 25, 2011, 11:01:09 PM »

Why even have governments, when God can just fix everything?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #89 on:** October 26, 2011, 06:16:44 AM »

tf is this ****

Sorry I didn't have anything constructive to say to what he said.