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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2310 on: February 12, 2014, 01:27:23 PM »
There's a difference between 1 per km and <.1 per km and I want to incorporate that
You wrote 0.5 on your scale so I assumed the change wasn't much of a difference.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2311 on: February 12, 2014, 02:10:39 PM »
well vh are you colorblind?

no.

the numbers above are pretty arbitrary. i suggest a log scale going from 10^-2 to 10^7 by powers of 10
10^-2 is probably achievable with large farm areas or mountains.
10^7 is achievable with a 100m skyline and 10m^3 per person

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2312 on: February 12, 2014, 03:05:13 PM »

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2313 on: February 13, 2014, 12:02:46 AM »
well vh are you colorblind?
the numbers above are pretty arbitrary. i suggest a log scale going from 10^-2 to 10^7 by powers of 10
10^-2 is probably achievable with large farm areas or mountains.
10^7 is achievable with a 100m skyline and 10m^3 per person
They're somewhat arbitrary yes, I suggested using a rougly power of 2 scale (where it skips some numbers).

I don't think the power of 10 scale is very good. 10 million people per square meter? The 100m skyline example is really just an apartment block, 1 square km in size with 10 cubic meters for everyone, and all the apartments border each other, with no walls, no celings and floors, no ventilation, no streets, no corridors, no parks, no shops, offices, hospitals.... etc., and even then, if your apartment is 2m tall, having 2.24m long walls is hardly a realistic size for people to live in, just a bed would alone take up almost half the room. In reality, not even the densest city districts come anything near that. Manhattan for example has 27,221 people per km2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_city_districts_by_population_density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan

I think the area that will actually come above around 20,000 people/km2 is so small that it's simply not interesting to have different colors for anything above definitely 105.

If we want to use a power of x system, I'd say power of 2-4 would be much more sensible, even if the numbers don't look very nice... But then again, if our planet was going to use a base 8 or 16 number system it would make plenty of sense from their point of view.
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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2314 on: February 13, 2014, 04:32:45 AM »

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2315 on: February 13, 2014, 04:50:03 AM »
why not up to 10^5
Here's an example graph of population density distribution



I think the regions around the middle are more interesting than those at the ends, and I think the base 10 system leaves too few divisions for the middle areas. Base 2-4 would work better.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2316 on: February 14, 2014, 04:58:19 AM »
uh why is there a bar graph and 2 line graph
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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2317 on: February 14, 2014, 05:11:28 AM »

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2318 on: February 14, 2014, 06:22:44 AM »
if 11 shades aren't too much, e^n for n from 1 to 11 works out nicely from 2.7 to about 60,000 which covers most of the area on that graph

base 3 from 1 to 10 also does it but e is so much nicer. plus maybe we use base e

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2319 on: February 14, 2014, 03:00:46 PM »
e^n works for me. I'm not very excited about infinite decimal numbers for charts like these but it does scale conveniently. If people want e^n I'm fine with it.

We'd probably need e-1 to e11 in that case.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2320 on: February 14, 2014, 05:04:38 PM »
i just realized that population density histogram had people on the y-axis

oh how i wish it was area on the y-axis

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2321 on: February 14, 2014, 05:08:40 PM »

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2322 on: February 15, 2014, 05:43:43 AM »
Proposing this scale. I know it extends into the green, but with this many divisions the colors become hard to distinguish if we stick to just yellow and red shades. Remember that the green shades will only be few, rare pixels inside cities and won't cover most areas, so I hope it's ok.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2323 on: February 15, 2014, 05:59:45 AM »
wait did i miss the water?
and like, what thing is that in? km or???
yeah km i think

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2324 on: February 15, 2014, 06:02:52 AM »
Which image do you mean?

If you mean the scale, the numbers are people per km2, and there isn't a color for water on it, but I'd suggest black, or maybe just the regular water color on the map since there's no blue on the scale anyway.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2325 on: February 15, 2014, 06:33:08 AM »
wait nvm i was thinking the wrong thing

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2326 on: February 16, 2014, 07:27:24 AM »
Snatched!

Done.

Also we should make some guidelines for the city layer before we start working on it imo.

Are people ok with the pop density scale I proposed?

Also I propose a supranatural union, Communist Universalis International (CommUnInt).

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #226
« Reply #2327 on: February 16, 2014, 02:02:47 PM »
Taken
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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2328 on: February 17, 2014, 12:28:03 PM »

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2332 on: February 17, 2014, 10:42:51 PM »
ahuerlille such beautiful name

Mudkipz make a poll over whether we should switch to 1pixel or not.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2333 on: February 18, 2014, 07:01:59 AM »
ok but after i eat breakfast

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2334 on: February 18, 2014, 07:42:24 AM »
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqXNpALRcpv9dFJxQnphMGNKWUpFQ0xBUWg0YVFJLUE&usp=drive_web#gid=2

vote is up, pick first, second, third. don't bother changing the greyed out boxes because the vote for them is over. if anyone needs their column protected or email changed tell me or pm or something.

w/o diagonals means that at the corner of two blocks there can be that infinitely thin connection. w/ diagonals means there has to be at least a one pixel thickness throughout.

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2335 on: February 18, 2014, 07:43:51 AM »
apparently we have nine planets, two stars, one of which is k1, an asteroid belt and an oort cloud :P

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2337 on: February 18, 2014, 08:46:44 AM »
who decided the two stars

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Re: Community USForum Map - Rev #228
« Reply #2339 on: February 18, 2014, 09:16:49 AM »
It should be a global vote you dumbasses