[17:01] <+Nuv> tell me why people didn't like them
[17:01] <+Nuv> if they diidn't spam there was no problem
[17:01] <+atomic7732> I didn't like it because other people didn't like it and expressed their dislike for it
[17:01] <+Darvince> wtf tonnes of nations
[17:01] <+Arrow_McKnee> I don;t think I've seen our ops kick on a bad mood, but I can understand your complaint at un-needed kicks.
[17:01] <+atomic7732> and I don't like to do stuff that other people don't want me to do
[17:02] <+Nuv> EVERYONE TELL ME NOW
[17:02] <+Nuv> WHY DIDN'T YOU LIKE THE HARD LIMITS FOR SPAMMING
[17:02] <+Darvince> no yu
[17:02] <+Nuv> ....
[17:02] <+Nuv> that is invalid argument
[17:02] <+Naru523>
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=167397&d=1329448728[17:02] <+Naru523> ^ darvince
[17:02] <+Darvince> okokok
[17:02] <+atomic7732> can has face?
[17:02] <+Arrow_McKnee> We just need to define what makes spam over the line, which seems to be our main problem. Like I said earlier, probably more than half the screen.
[17:02] <+atomic7732> can has hoof?
[17:02] <+atomic7732> *facehoof*
[17:02] <+Nuv> [17:02] <+Arrow_McKnee> We just need to define what makes spam over the line, which seems to be our main problem. Like I said earlier, probably more than half the screen.
[17:02] <+Naru523> odd it doesn't have the japan patch
[17:02] == Arrow_McKnee has changed nick to matty406
[17:02] <+Naru523> but whatever.
[17:03] <+Darvince> *facewaterspout*
[17:03] <+Nuv> matty i think atomics complain
[17:03] <+atomic7732> more than half the screen...
[17:03] <+Nuv> was that darvince would spam to barely half a page
[17:03] <+Nuv> and then stop
[17:03] <+atomic7732> I think that's a bit much
[17:03] <+matty406> probably
[17:03] <+Darvince> well my screen is smaller
[17:03] <+atomic7732> and also a bit vague
[17:03] <+atomic7732> my screen isn't large vertically
[17:03] <+Nuv> good, darvince, you can spam less
[17:03] <+Nuv> KOL
[17:03] <+matty406> I was thinking about other resolutions actually.
[17:03] <+Darvince> my chatzilla is only half the screen
[17:03] <+Darvince> wtf nuv
[17:03] == Nuv has changed nick to Eom
[17:03] <+Eom> who's nuv
[17:03] <+Darvince> wtf eom
[17:04] == Eom has changed nick to Tev
[17:04] <+matty406> And I realisethe screens will have different capacities
[17:04] <+Tev> who's eom
[17:04] <+Darvince> wtf tev
[17:04] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Was it me who kicked you unfairly Skirt?
[17:04] <+matty406> hmm
[17:04] <+Darvince> wtf iog
[17:04] <+Tev> no bla
[17:04] <+Darvince> it was a nuenue
[17:04] <+Darvince> for asking him to poo wif skirt
[17:04] <+atomic7732> I personally see no reason why we should even tolerate spam
[17:04] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Anyway, I don't see why anyone needs to spam at all. Can't you just not spam and then move on? The spam is so pointless.
[17:04] <+Tev> i asked him to help me poo
[17:04] <+Tev> define spam
[17:04] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Agree with Atomic.
[17:04] <+atomic7732> That's the problem
[17:04] <+atomic7732> what one sees as spam
[17:04] <+atomic7732> others find meaning
[17:05] <+matty406> If it's like
[17:05] <+matty406> sadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcssadv wbl.rewmj,l.jlcs
[17:05] <+Tev> OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
[17:05] <+Tev> sorry i just watched cup stacking girl
[17:05] <+Tev> she was OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
[17:05] <+Darvince> wut
[17:05] <+Tev> CUP STAKING GURL
[17:05] <+atomic7732> That example makes sense
[17:05] <+Tev> OH MY GOD
[17:05] <+atomic7732> you have context in that
[17:05] <+atomic7732> even if it is a bit excessive
[17:05] <+matty406> I think, if the extensive amount of text or characters is milked too much, then it's spam.
[17:05] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> If it's more than two repetitive lines, spam. Imo.
[17:05] <+Darvince> no
[17:05] <+Darvince> no
[17:06] <+Darvince> no
[17:06] <+Darvince> more than free
[17:06] <+atomic7732> /kick Darvince spam
[17:06] * Bla|tantlyCiv5 yesses Darvince.
[17:06] <+matty406> That would be okay though. ^
[17:06] <+atomic7732>
[17:06] <+matty406> Because it has meaning
[17:06] <+atomic7732> the line is too fuzzy
[17:06] <+matty406> If you're like:
[17:06] <+matty406> no
[17:06] <+matty406> no
[17:06] <+matty406> no
[17:06] <+Tev> fuzzy
[17:06] <+Tev> i like sharp lines
[17:06] <+matty406> that can't be!
[17:06] <+Tev> yes or no
[17:06] <+Tev> that is better
[17:06] <+matty406> Then it's fime imo
[17:06] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> MATTY, TO GULAG
[17:06] <+matty406> AAAAAAAAAAA
[17:06] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5>
[17:06] <+Tev> is it the white fuzzy or the black fuzzy
[17:06] <+Tev> teel me
[17:06] <+Darvince> kol
[17:06] <+Darvince> the rannbow fuzzy
[17:07] <+Tev> no
[17:07] <+Tev> what i mean by that is
[17:07] <+Tev> i don't know anymore
[17:07] <+Tev> ...
[17:07] <+Darvince> kol
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[17:07] <+Fiah> Quick, how much can you accomplish with two hours on the computer.
[17:07] <+matty406> nnnnnothiiiiing!
[17:07] <+Fiah> ^
[17:07] <+Tev> i can photoshop you and give you 20 heads
[17:07] <+Tev> kol
[17:08] <+matty406> 1 min of work warrants 6 hours of internet
[17:08] <+Darvince> kol
[17:08] <+Fiah> My dad is giving me that much time.
[17:08] <+Fiah> Oh god
[17:08] <+Tev> Amen.
[17:08] <+Tev> *inb4 atheism*
[17:08] * atomic7732 agrees with matty
[17:08] <+Naru523> i can accomplish a full QBAM world map
[17:08] <+Fiah> QBAM?
[17:08] <+Darvince> brb reorganising my screenshots folder
[17:08] <+Darvince> i'll be back around 20:00
[17:08] <+Naru523> qazak's big arse map
[17:08] <+Darvince> kol
[17:09] <+atomic7732> I think I deserve about 6000 hours of interne
[17:09] <+atomic7732> t
[17:09] <+Fiah> Can I haz that?
[17:09] <+Fiah> QBAM
[17:09] <+matty406> ALL THE TIME
[17:09] <+Fiah> I want
[17:09] <+Naru523> nou
[17:09] <+Fiah> brb google is my freind
[17:09] <+Tev> let us get back on track
[17:09] <+atomic7732> google is not your friend
[17:09] <+atomic7732> it used to be
[17:09] <+Tev> so because a hard limit doesn't work and neither does a soft limit
[17:09] <+Tev> there should be a balance
[17:09] <+matty406> I'll do the work at 6:00. Oops, it's 6:05 now.
[17:09] <+matty406> 7:00 IT IS THEN.
[17:10] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5>
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_land_of_the_red_rainbow__752848.png took me one hour, I think.
[17:10] <+atomic7732> 360 hours of internet for you Bla
[17:10] <+matty406> Inebla
[17:10] <+Tev> kol took me 5 minutes
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=biodry[17:10] <+matty406> Nicebla*
[17:10] <+matty406> It's real nice
[17:10] <+Tev> that is a monochromatic rainbow...
[17:10] <+Tev> what
[17:10] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Yaythx
[17:11] <+Tev> nids more hands
[17:11] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> "BHG for president"? What is BHG?
[17:11] <+Tev> black hat guy!
[17:11] <+Tev> from the xkcd
[17:11] <+Tev> ~!
[17:11] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> ..........ok
[17:11] <+Tev>
http://xkcd.com/322/[17:11] <+Tev> this person
[17:11] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Oh kol.
[17:12] <+atomic7732> speaking of that
[17:12] <+atomic7732> sometime this week
[17:12] <+atomic7732> I'm going to a geohash
[17:12] <+Tev> 'what did you do to my door'
[17:12] <+Tev> 'what did you do to my door'
[17:12] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Geohash?
[17:12] <+atomic7732> don't hurt me please ;(
[17:12] <+Tev> kol
[17:12] <+Tev> bla needs more xkcd
[17:12] <+atomic7732> ^
[17:12] <+Naru523> err when was Judaism created?
[17:12] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Long ago.
[17:12] <+Naru523> In a faraway galaxy?
[17:12] <+Tev>
http://www.xkcd.com/1027/[17:12] <+Tev> BHG returns
[17:13] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> Problably.
[17:13] <+Tev> yesterday julius ceaser was reborn in my living room
[17:13] <+Naru523> "Judaism claims a historical continuity spanning more than 3,000 years."
[17:13] <+Naru523> （╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[17:13] <+Tev> oh wait
[17:13] <+atomic7732> Judaism was created when it was thought up in the mind of someone who wanted answers.
[17:13] <+Tev> 2 days ago
[17:13] <+atomic7732>
[17:13] <+Tev> Judaism is my mom
[17:13] <+atomic7732> tautology
[17:13] <+Naru523> tev, I'm marrying your mom.
[17:13] <+Tev> wat
[17:14] * Naru523 begins making a map where the world has no christianity or islam
[17:14] <+atomic7732> naru, darv's marrying your mom
[17:14] <+Naru523> 12 x 56..
[17:14] <+atomic7732> he is kipz's step-grandfather
[17:14] <+Tev> atomic, i'm your mom marrying yourself
[17:14] <+Naru523> brain cannot compute
[17:15] <+atomic7732> SO! Rules cannot into completion
[17:15] <+Tev> 500+100+12*60
[17:15] <+atomic7732> well then
[17:15] <+Naru523> apparently tev is my stepbrother
[17:15] <+Tev> =672
[17:15] * atomic7732 eats food
[17:15] <+Naru523> that's good for me
[17:15] <+Tev> no nue
[17:15] <+matty406> You are not a clever pony.
[17:15] <+Tev> come bak
[17:15] <+atomic7732> IamnotaFTNLR
[17:15] <+Tev> so what was the problem with the thingy i proposed
[17:15] <+Tev> a hard limit
[17:15] <+Tev> and then mods warn and wait 5 secs beore kicking
[17:15] <+atomic7732> Ask everyone else
[17:15] <+Tev> they won't respong
[17:15] <+Tev> darvince : no, yu
[17:16] <+atomic7732> I had a problem with the old hard limits because they did
[17:16] <+Tev> THEY DID WHAT
[17:16] <+Tev> what in the name of jesus did they do, teeeeel me
[17:16] <+atomic7732> pasta
[17:16] <+Tev> ...nosrsly
[17:16] <+atomic7732> that wasn't an answer
[17:16] <+Tev> are we discussing rules or nto
[17:17] <+Tev> ok
[17:17] <+atomic7732> idk
[17:17] <+Tev> so you don't have a problem with the old hard limits
[17:17] <+Tev> lets move on
[17:17] <+Tev> are the soft limite fine
[17:17] <+Tev> limits
[17:17] <+atomic7732> which "soft limits"
[17:17] <+Tev> mods warn and wait 5 seconds before kicking
[17:17] <+Tev> if the person stops, then no kick/ban
[17:18] <+atomic7732> I see no point in that
[17:18] <+Tev> why?
[17:18] <+atomic7732> it takes several seconds to type the kick function anyway
[17:18] <+atomic7732> and
[17:18] <+Tev> no i meant
[17:18] <+Tev> you were worried
[17:18] <+atomic7732> if someone is spamming with chatzilla, they can't stop
[17:18] <+Tev> if someone is spamming the chatzilla, they shouldn't spam!
[17:18] <+atomic7732> I agree
[17:18] <+matty406> If they don't stop when asked then kick.
[17:19] <+atomic7732> but that's what rules are for
[17:19] <+Tev> the point of the 5 seconds is that
[17:19] <+Tev> YOU
[17:19] <+matty406> and ask nicely
[17:19] <+Tev> were worried that
[17:19] <+Tev> darvince would push the hard limits to the...limit
[17:19] <+Tev> and you not able to ban them
[17:19] <+Tev> with the soft limits, even if you are within the hard limits
[17:19] <+Tev> a mod can ask you to stop
[17:19] <+Darvince> tev no u
[17:19] <+Tev> within reason
[17:19] <+atomic7732> but the 5 seconds doesn't even apply do darv
[17:19] <+Tev> why not
[17:19] <+Tev> warn him, wait 5 seconds and if he doesn't stop then kick him
[17:20] <+atomic7732> like I said, if he already loaded chatzilla with 95 lines
[17:20] <+atomic7732> it's going to put out
[17:20] <+atomic7732> ALL
[17:20] <+atomic7732> 95 lines
[17:20] <+atomic7732> no matter if he says "ok" and tries to stop
[17:20] <+Tev> 95 lines of spam
[17:20] <+Tev> ...set the limit lower
[17:20] * atomic7732 facehoofs
[17:20] <+Tev> ...ic ur point
[17:20] <+Tev> ok then, don't spam with chatzilla
[17:20] <+matty406> What I would do is ask the person to stop, if they don't then kick them
in the arse, then if they do it a short time after returing ban for a couple of mis for cooldown.
[17:21] <+atomic7732> ^ this is obvious... to most of us
[17:21] <+matty406> But every op would probably have their own standards.
[17:21] <+matty406> mins*
[17:21] <+matty406> But that's what I would reccomend.
[17:21] <+Tev> standards: when everyone has their own, they're not standard anymore
[17:21] <+Tev> LOOK
[17:21] <+Tev> EVERYONE REED THIS
http://xkcd.com/927/[17:21] <+Tev>
[17:22] <+matty406> Yes
[17:22] <+matty406> I know
[17:22] <+matty406> but the thing is
[17:22] <+matty406> We just need something to work from.
[17:22] <+atomic7732> Maybe we should ask randall what the rules should be
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[17:22] <+matty406> Then we can never speak of this again.
[17:22] <+Tev> randall would kill all our computers with an emp ray gun *hides*
[17:22] <+matty406> IT SHALL BE LCOKED WITHIN THE ARCHIVES
[17:22] <+Tev> AHH A BOBCAT
[17:22] <+atomic7732> L-coked
[17:23] <+Tev> WHY IS THERE A BOBCAT IN MY ROOM
[17:23] <+matty406> WITHIN AN ADAMANTINE, GOLD TRIMMED CASKET
[17:23] <+matty406> NEVER TO BE SEEN BY
DWARVEN HUMANKIND AGAIN
[17:23] <+matty406> OH
[17:23] <+Tev> so no one has any problems with the soft limits i proposed?
[17:23] <+Tev> good.
[17:23] <+matty406> AND PEGASUSKIND
[17:23] <+atomic7732> ALL IN FAVOR OF MUDKIPZ'S IDEA SAY I/AYE/WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE I NEVER EXPERIENCED IT IN TEXT
[17:23] <+Tev> aye
[17:23] <+matty406> What was his idea?
[17:24] <+atomic7732> Not really sure
[17:24] <+Darvince> pie
[17:24] <+Tev> i doubt greek philosphers have thought about irc chat rules
[17:24] <+atomic7732> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE ORIGINAL RULES 'DON'T SPAM HAVE MORALS PROFIT' SAY... SEVENTEEN... because it's an awesome number
[17:24] <+Tev> but i came up with it independently
[17:24] <+matty406> Seventeen
[17:24] <+matty406> :I
[17:25] <+Darvince> 17
[17:25] <+atomic7732> and all in favor of different ideas say something about being in favor of neither of the thwo
[17:25] <+atomic7732> *two
[17:25] <+Naru523> 69
[17:25] <+Tev> wait
[17:25] <+Tev> i don't think this is working
[17:25] <+Tev> you people don't mention about disagreeing with my suggestion
[17:25] <+Bla|tantlyCiv5> 17
[17:25] <+Tev> but you don't agree with it
[17:25] <+Tev> what.
[17:25] <+matty406> what
[17:25] <+matty406> I don; even know what's going on anymore
[17:25] <+Tev> when i asked if people had problems with my suggesting
[17:25] <+Tev> no one spoke
[17:26] <+atomic7732> I don't either
[17:26] <+Tev> but apparently people don't like it
[17:26] <+Tev> so wtf?
[17:26] <+matty406> What was your suggestion mah boy?
[17:26] <+Tev> that there should be hard limits and mods set the soft limits by warning them and givine 5 seconds to stop spam/whatever
[17:26] <+Tev> brother.
[17:27] <+atomic7732> I already mentioned why I don't like it so it's up to others to explain why they don't
[17:27] <+matty406> Warning, indeed.
[17:27] <+Tev> sorry i must've missed it
[17:27] <+Tev> can you tell me why you don't like it
[17:27] <+matty406> I've said they should ask to stop
[17:27] <+Tev> who should ask to stop? stop what?
[17:27] <+Tev> sorry it's confusing
[17:27] <+atomic7732> I said the 5 seconds is pointless because chatzilla
[17:28] <+Tev> well if they load up 95 lines....then kick them.
[17:28] <+atomic7732> but I can't tell if they did
[17:28] <+Tev> give a five second warning and if they don't stop then kick them.
[17:28] <+matty406> Generally, everyone wants people to stop spam. So if they don't stop when asked a couple of times they can be kicked.
[17:28] <+matty406> everyone listens to a kick.
[17:28] <+Tev> if someone uses a function specifically to spam, don't you think they should be kicked?
[17:29] <+atomic7732> Well of course
[17:29] <+Tev> ok good, then the objection is solved
[17:29] <+Tev> >.>
[17:29] <+Tev> <.<
[17:29] <+Naru523> tbh I think you should still kick even if they're spamming in chatzilla, because the spammer did it before hand
[17:29] <+Tev> what
[17:29] <+Tev> what if they're spamming on the browser
[17:29] <+Tev> does it make a difference?
[17:29] <+Tev> what?
[17:29] <+matty406> no
[17:29] <+matty406> Spam's spam
[17:30] <+atomic7732> ^
[17:30] <+Tev> good
[17:30] <+matty406> Browser spam is no different than client spam
[17:30] <+Naru523>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Spam_with_cans.jpeg/800px-Spam_with_cans.jpeg
