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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2014, 07:02:14 AM »
Tip: most of us (I seem to be an exception) are LGBT non-religious leftists. We have no problem with people who do not fit into this category unless for some reason they have a problem with us.
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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2014, 09:47:01 AM »
Well, I hoped so. You know how humanity is.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2014, 07:54:36 AM »

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2014, 09:26:44 AM »

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2014, 09:59:49 AM »
what the christ I don't understand that post

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2014, 10:07:03 AM »
what the darvince don't you understand.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2014, 10:09:08 AM »
Both articles agree with each other, one is a stub and the other is a full article. For whatever reason Wiki hasn't deleted the first one yet.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2014, 10:12:11 AM »
Me? I don't know. I guess I am being tug-o-war'd in between religion and science. (As of my mind): Maybe God created us as proto-humans and then we evolved. I guess we'll never know.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2014, 10:19:45 AM »

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2014, 10:32:30 AM »
Both articles agree with each other, one is a stub and the other is a full article. For whatever reason Wiki hasn't deleted the first one yet.

1.  They don't agree.  They contradict.  Read it again until you find it.

2.  As a side note, what actually is real versus fabricated on that "fossil"?

3.  Side of a side, how can you scientifically arrive at any conclusion of the Protungulatum donnae, like this artist rendering:
http://www.newser.com/story/162477/meet-the-66m-year-old-ancestor-of-all-mammals.html
with only the "fossil" in question, even if said "fossil" was complete as shown.  You couldn't.  Fossil of the Gaps as usual.
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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2014, 10:33:40 AM »
Well, Xriqxa, I'm very glad that you're open to new ideas. So many people refuse to even consider the other side, so you're one step closer to the truth than them!
Thank you. I like to keep an open mind and consider everyone's ideas and opinions.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2014, 11:44:52 AM »
Overwhelming evidence.

Yeah... it's overwhelming whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Again, evolution is the cornerstone concept that makes the rest of biology make sense.

And it's beautiful that we're directly related to all life on this planet...

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2014, 01:27:09 PM »
hmm, yeah, I did acknowledge it, I gave a link to it.

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Again, evolution is the cornerstone concept that makes the rest of biology make sense.

While micro evolution has been a practical application for thousands of years before Darwin, I see no relevant implications of Macro evolution other than the fields of study in of itself, such as evolutionary biology and paleontology. The conclusions of evidence for Macro Evolution are simply a big False dilemma.

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And it's beautiful that we're directly related to all life on this planet...

meh.  The real beauty is with the interconnection, not that the material makeup ultimately originates from non-living matter.


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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2014, 01:43:01 PM »
While micro evolution has been a practical application for thousands of years before Darwin, I see no relevant implications of Macro evolution other than the fields of study in of itself, such as evolutionary biology and paleontology. The conclusions of evidence for Macro Evolution are simply a big False dilemma.

The only difference between macro and microevolution is the time scale; they're the same process.

Microevolution (or just evolution) over 3.7 billion years (along with a handful of devastating extension events) is how you get all the variety of life that exists today.

(and notice that you only refute evolution by trying to poke holes in it, not by advancing an alternative idea)

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2014, 04:09:54 PM »
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The only difference between macro and microevolution is the time scale; they're the same process.

Actually, the latter is observable, repeatable and falsifiable where the former isn't.

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(and notice that you only refute evolution by trying to poke holes in it, not by advancing an alternative idea)

Why should holes not be poked? It's not above criticism.  If people are going to say that the common ancestor between Human beings and primates is Protungulatum donnae then provide that evidence.  Unless you have anything other than that jawbone or teeth or whatever it's supposed to be, even if I assume it to be completely real and not made up in whole or part like an artist rendition in plaster ...I see no reasonable scientific evidence that it is the case.

As far as an alternative:

An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...those forms may or may not have evolved to form a multitude of Domains, Kingdoms, Phylums, Classes, Orders, Families or Genus.  It's moot since all of that life was wiped out.  The life that is now on the planet was made roughly 6,000 years ago, there being a gap between old life and current.   So, when Scientists look at fossils, hundreds of thousands to millions of years old and explain variety, they expand that out to the "near" present in error and assume the current life forms originated from older extinct life forms when they didn't.  Equating current life forms to older fossilized life forms due to physical similarity, especially when most, if not all "links" are nowhere near complete to come to a rational conclusion, is a fallacy of Post Hoc among others.

http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2009/06/three-fallacies-of-evolution.html
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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2014, 04:16:19 PM »
What is proof that the alternative is reality?

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2014, 04:19:08 PM »
I believe Mass extinction events are acknowledged by these same Scientists.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2014, 04:22:48 PM »
actually that is what the unicorns would have you believe. in fact, the universe is only 20 minutes old, and was created by invisible unicorns with superpowers. all your memories beyond 20 minutes ago were fabricated too.

but what about the evidence? you ask.

unicorns tamper with telescopes, radioactive dating, everything and anything. they even invent theories of the universe being billions of years old to trick us. when a scientist finds a fossil, it is only because the unicorns planted it there.

want more info about the mind bending reality? go to www.timecube.com

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2014, 04:26:54 PM »
You really think a post like that advances the discussion or advances your side of the discussion. 

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2014, 04:28:34 PM »
of course. i'm trying to enlighten you to the flaws of both evolution and the 6000 year theory. unicorns are the cause of the universe.

oh, and to answer the thread, no, we are not from monkeys, we are from unicorns

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2014, 04:33:59 PM »
Well, according to you, phinehas, all evidence that points towards evilution was obviously placed there by a tricksy Satan, so why is anything real? Why is kip's theory that the world is run by invisible unicorns and started less than twenty minutes ago any more valid than your theory that the world is run by two invisible deities, one with omnipotence, at war with each other that started six thousand years ago?

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2014, 04:34:31 PM »
Actually, the latter is observable, repeatable and falsifiable where the former isn't.

Again, it's the same process, so what you're saying just isn't true.

An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...

So by magic and hand waving?

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2014, 04:35:52 PM »
You keep taking steps back.

I'll advance the discussion more.  If Antony Flew could have his mind changed by this guy's works perhaps others could..it's an alternate thought by somebody that is clearly intelligent and has credentials, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Schroeder
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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #53 on: April 21, 2014, 04:37:25 PM »
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according to you, phinehas, all evidence that points towards evilution was obviously placed there by a tricksy Satan

Strawman alert.  Please argue what I say, not what I don't.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2014, 04:38:02 PM »
Why is your proof that this theory is correct other people that believe this theory?

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2014, 04:40:30 PM »
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Again, it's the same process, so what you're saying just isn't true.

Protungulatum donnae questions still not answered.


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So by magic and hand waving?

It's more magic to believe nothing resulted in something than something resulted from the determined actions of intelligence.


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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2014, 04:41:25 PM »
Strawman alert.  Please argue what I say, not what I don't.
Please read the rest of the post.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2014, 04:42:16 PM »
Why is your proof that this theory is correct other people that believe this theory?

I need a coherent sentence to respond to.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #58 on: April 21, 2014, 04:43:12 PM »
Strawman alert.  Please argue what I say, not what I don't.
Please read the rest of the post.

Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.

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Re: Are We Really from Monkeys?
« Reply #59 on: April 21, 2014, 04:43:34 PM »
I need a coherent sentence to respond to.
Please read the post more carefully if you cannot decode proper English.