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It seems simply ludicrous! Who could teach such garbage to our children? Commies?
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Moommies
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That notion is blasphemous in almost every religion, including mine.
Though there are a few NRM's that accept this.
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We were humans in the ice age.
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That's absolutely ridiculous darvince! Look at monkeys and look at us! How could this have happened in only 10,000 years scientists say since the last ice age?
look at fish and a look at crocodiles...
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Satan didn't create the Universe, I did. Gosh forgery much
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Let him worship who he wants.
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Yes... humans share a common ancestor with modern day monkeys.
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Mmmm.... Depends on your faith.
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guys this was meant to be one of the four threads I made copying political issues from the 1920s this is unbelievable that this thread has turned into a debate.
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Debate? I'm being open minded! As my religion says, we were initially created from clay as human beings. Dan says that we split off from a monkey's grandpa, yet I totally accept and respect that. There's no reason not to believe so, given all the scientific data.
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If I tell you, I'm probably gonna have at least five people, possibly including you, shunning me for the rest of my forum life.
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we don't care, I thought that too but when I said things from the Christian belief that no other religion believes I wasn't outed by Bla or anything.
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Ok... I follow Islam.
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so you are middle eastern!
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Why does a Middle Eastern have to be Muslim? Why does a Muslim have to be Middle Eastern?
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they don't but religion is highly dependent on region and the middle east is a muslim dominant region
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Yes and I agree with Dan that we're both descended from proto-monkeys or whatever they're called.
You don't have to agree with me. The evidence that we share a common ancestor with modern day monkeys is overwhelming and the cornerstone of modern day biology. Amoung scientists, there is no debate about this fact (only debate about the details).
Why does a Middle Eastern have to be Muslim? Why does a Muslim have to be Middle Eastern?
There is a strong correlation with one's religion and where you were born or live. See this Map (http://crescentok.com/staff/jaskew/TAH/GEO/religion.jpg)
... but let's please be careful not to make judgements or assumptions. That said, it seems strange that being right or wrong in one's belief about the nature of the cosmos would be determined by geography or who your parents are.
... this is unbelievable that this thread has turned into a debate.
Or a discussion... and amused by your sarcasm.
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"Amoung" omfg admins can make typoes
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they don't but religion is highly dependent on region and the middle east is a muslim dominant region
So? On my pilgrimage to the Ka'aba I saw some non-Middle Eastern
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is that what that temple is called? TIL
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*Shrine. And, yes, it represents our God. Every Muslim in the world prays in the direction of the Ka'aba or else their prayer is invalid.
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Ok... I follow Islam.
I am ok with this
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*Look of utter surprise*
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Good.
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Tip: most of us (I seem to be an exception) are LGBT non-religious leftists. We have no problem with people who do not fit into this category unless for some reason they have a problem with us.
This, I don't have a problem with you being muslim at all.
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Well, I hoped so. You know how humanity is.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protungulatum_donnae
Overwhelming evidence.
Oh but wait...contradiction, as usual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protungulatum
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what the christ I don't understand that post
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what the darvince don't you understand.
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Both articles agree with each other, one is a stub and the other is a full article. For whatever reason Wiki hasn't deleted the first one yet.
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Me? I don't know. I guess I am being tug-o-war'd in between religion and science. (As of my mind): Maybe God created us as proto-humans and then we evolved. I guess we'll never know.
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Both articles agree with each other, one is a stub and the other is a full article. For whatever reason Wiki hasn't deleted the first one yet.
1. They don't agree. They contradict. Read it again until you find it.
2. As a side note, what actually is real versus fabricated on that "fossil"?
3. Side of a side, how can you scientifically arrive at any conclusion of the Protungulatum donnae, like this artist rendering:
http://www.newser.com/story/162477/meet-the-66m-year-old-ancestor-of-all-mammals.html
with only the "fossil" in question, even if said "fossil" was complete as shown. You couldn't. Fossil of the Gaps as usual.
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Well, Xriqxa, I'm very glad that you're open to new ideas. So many people refuse to even consider the other side, so you're one step closer to the truth than them!
Thank you. I like to keep an open mind and consider everyone's ideas and opinions.
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Overwhelming evidence.
Yeah... it's overwhelming whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Again, evolution is the cornerstone concept that makes the rest of biology make sense.
And it's beautiful that we're directly related to all life on this planet...
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hmm, yeah, I did acknowledge it, I gave a link to it.
Again, evolution is the cornerstone concept that makes the rest of biology make sense.
While micro evolution has been a practical application for thousands of years before Darwin, I see no relevant implications of Macro evolution other than the fields of study in of itself, such as evolutionary biology and paleontology. The conclusions of evidence for Macro Evolution are simply a big False dilemma.
And it's beautiful that we're directly related to all life on this planet...
meh. The real beauty is with the interconnection, not that the material makeup ultimately originates from non-living matter.
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While micro evolution has been a practical application for thousands of years before Darwin, I see no relevant implications of Macro evolution other than the fields of study in of itself, such as evolutionary biology and paleontology. The conclusions of evidence for Macro Evolution are simply a big False dilemma.
The only difference between macro and microevolution is the time scale; they're the same process.
Microevolution (or just evolution) over 3.7 billion years (along with a handful of devastating extension events) is how you get all the variety of life that exists today.
(and notice that you only refute evolution by trying to poke holes in it, not by advancing an alternative idea)
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The only difference between macro and microevolution is the time scale; they're the same process.
Actually, the latter is observable, repeatable and falsifiable where the former isn't.
(and notice that you only refute evolution by trying to poke holes in it, not by advancing an alternative idea)
Why should holes not be poked? It's not above criticism. If people are going to say that the common ancestor between Human beings and primates is Protungulatum donnae then provide that evidence. Unless you have anything other than that jawbone or teeth or whatever it's supposed to be, even if I assume it to be completely real and not made up in whole or part like an artist rendition in plaster ...I see no reasonable scientific evidence that it is the case.
As far as an alternative:
An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...those forms may or may not have evolved to form a multitude of Domains, Kingdoms, Phylums, Classes, Orders, Families or Genus. It's moot since all of that life was wiped out. The life that is now on the planet was made roughly 6,000 years ago, there being a gap between old life and current. So, when Scientists look at fossils, hundreds of thousands to millions of years old and explain variety, they expand that out to the "near" present in error and assume the current life forms originated from older extinct life forms when they didn't. Equating current life forms to older fossilized life forms due to physical similarity, especially when most, if not all "links" are nowhere near complete to come to a rational conclusion, is a fallacy of Post Hoc among others.
http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2009/06/three-fallacies-of-evolution.html
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What is proof that the alternative is reality?
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I believe Mass extinction events are acknowledged by these same Scientists.
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actually that is what the unicorns would have you believe. in fact, the universe is only 20 minutes old, and was created by invisible unicorns with superpowers. all your memories beyond 20 minutes ago were fabricated too.
but what about the evidence? you ask.
unicorns tamper with telescopes, radioactive dating, everything and anything. they even invent theories of the universe being billions of years old to trick us. when a scientist finds a fossil, it is only because the unicorns planted it there.
want more info about the mind bending reality? go to www.timecube.com
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You really think a post like that advances the discussion or advances your side of the discussion.
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of course. i'm trying to enlighten you to the flaws of both evolution and the 6000 year theory. unicorns are the cause of the universe.
oh, and to answer the thread, no, we are not from monkeys, we are from unicorns
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Well, according to you, phinehas, all evidence that points towards evilution was obviously placed there by a tricksy Satan, so why is anything real? Why is kip's theory that the world is run by invisible unicorns and started less than twenty minutes ago any more valid than your theory that the world is run by two invisible deities, one with omnipotence, at war with each other that started six thousand years ago?
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Actually, the latter is observable, repeatable and falsifiable where the former isn't.
Again, it's the same process, so what you're saying just isn't true.
An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...
So by magic and hand waving?
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You keep taking steps back.
I'll advance the discussion more. If Antony Flew could have his mind changed by this guy's works perhaps others could..it's an alternate thought by somebody that is clearly intelligent and has credentials, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Schroeder
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according to you, phinehas, all evidence that points towards evilution was obviously placed there by a tricksy Satan
Strawman alert. Please argue what I say, not what I don't.
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Why is your proof that this theory is correct other people that believe this theory?
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Again, it's the same process, so what you're saying just isn't true.
Protungulatum donnae questions still not answered.
So by magic and hand waving?
It's more magic to believe nothing resulted in something than something resulted from the determined actions of intelligence.
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Strawman alert. Please argue what I say, not what I don't.
Please read the rest of the post.
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Why is your proof that this theory is correct other people that believe this theory?
I need a coherent sentence to respond to.
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Strawman alert. Please argue what I say, not what I don't.
Please read the rest of the post.
Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.
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I need a coherent sentence to respond to.
Please read the post more carefully if you cannot decode proper English.
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Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.
Please read the rest of the post.
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It's clearly not proper English. You have two thoughts mashed together in an unintelligible fashion that can not be responded to with any accuracy.
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Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.
Please read the rest of the post.
Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.
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Why should I, you post an outright false statement, a strawman and then want me to respond to questions based on that...uh, no.
Please read the rest of the post and respond with at least two coherent, sourced sentences.
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It's clearly not proper English. You have two thoughts mashed together in an unintelligible fashion that can not be responded to with any accuracy.
You are selectively choosing to call that post an incomprehensible one because you cannot back up your fallacious argument.
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Wow. A fight? Not very hard to see Phinehas getting into it ( no offence, but you know that you are kind of the persistent type) but Dan? In an arguement? Does this thread need to be remade?
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I'm not having a fight with anyone, just discussing a few aspects of the topic. It's not like Dan doesn't have these types of discussions..it's that it's not often, because the vast majority of people that post on this forum are like minded across the spectrum, so his ideas are not challenged much..same goes for the rest of you.
So, when you see a contrary post, it's like Whoa! what's going on..how is this possible, what does it all mean...are unicorns purple or pink, etc.
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Stay classy.
I see this Everything Else forum has devolved again into an incoherent mess. What a shame.
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An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...
So by magic and hand waving?
[/quote] don't wanna be assumpative, but that sounds like a real religious offence.
Why why do dese arguments always start with Phinehas being contradictory? STAYAP IT!
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you're a shame
Nice personal attack..where's Dan...cricket.
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Cricket? Oh, how about *cricket chirp* next time?
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An Intelligent force, called by some, God, created a multitude of living forms millions of years ago...
So by magic and hand waving?
don't wanna be assumpative, but that sounds like a real religious offence.
Why why do dese arguments always start with Phinehas being contradictory? STAYAP IT!
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Hmmm, how can there be an "argument" without an opposing point of view? There can't...it's not my fault nobody else has an opposing point of view on anything within this forum. I can't decipher the rest of your comments, questions or whatever you are trying to say to whomever.
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Cricket? Oh, how about *cricket chirp* next time?
or t o m eta sup smiley.jpg Gold Membership..123456789..so why is it raining there?
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Raining? WHAT!?
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thanks for ur contribution to shttalk kolok smiley.jpg
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that post was a joke u big gay poop. kolok inb4 allahu gorchul mpw msw mfw pfw
Waiting for outrage over use of the word gay as a pejorative...cricket..cricket..
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That's what I thought...crickets from Dan and all those that take offense of the use of words. Your words of treating others with respect, not attacking people directly or indirectly by the groups they are of like mind, experience or genetics..are hollow. It's a subjective ethics system that has no standards other than your own that can change at any time due to circumstances such as who is involved and who says what.
Attack religious people, especially Christians, no problem.
Attack Conservatives/Libertarians (The Right) over their political views, no problem.
Use words relating to a group in a derisive manner, if you are a part of that group, no problem.
The opposite spectrum of the above is of course a problem to those with said subjective ethics.
Darvince, your derisive use of the word gay is as logically sound as a black person's use of the N word. Zero sound.
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