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Darv tries polyphasicing
« on: June 26, 2013, 05:45:19 AM »
...more specifically the everyman sleep schedule. Also I made a topic this time so that I feel more obligated to follow it.

"NORMAL" SLEEP:
03:04 to 06:04

NAPS:
12:00 to 12:22
17:11 to 17:33
22:30 to 22:52

Plan: Get in bed by 11:50 for first nap, 17:00 for second nap, 22:20 for third nap, 02:50 for core.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 05:56:52 AM »

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 06:43:42 AM »
Very interesting, good luck with the sleeping schedule, please post how it goes. :P

it takes 10 minutes to fall asleep usually unless you're really tired
I think that's very different from person to person. For me it takes hours, usually around 3 hours, even when I go to bed the same time every day. Which is one reason why I haven't been seriously considering trying something like this.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 10:19:05 AM »
i heard eating oatmeal while sleeping causes amnesia

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 10:19:56 AM »
i heard eating oatmeal while sleeping causes amnesia
I don't remember ever hearing that

Btw Darvince, I'm curious why you chose exactly that sleep schedule. Did you find anything to promote the sleep schedule or any other polyphasic sleep schedules?

This suggests that polyphasic sleep schedules are never a good long term solution:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/03jun_naps/

This also only suggests them as effective in special conditions:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02678378908256879#.UcsqM_lM-E0

Some ideas to your experiment: Maybe instead of following the exact everyman schedule, you could try to make the "normal" sleep block larger, so you end up getting maybe 6-7 hours of sleep a day and gradually go down from that if you feel like it. It would probably be easier to transition to. But is it even possible to take those naps if you get enough sleep already? Sometimes I also try to rest, but I rarely end up sleeping, even when I'm very tired, but I don't think I could say I really try to sleep specifically. I guess it's different for other people.

Remembering how a few all-nighters I've done felt I'm just hoping you don't end up like this experiment. :P
Polyphasic Sleep Experiment
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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2013, 01:03:29 PM »
The deprivation of sleep (really small block of sleep) will cause you to go into REM sleep during your naps pretty much instantly. But yes, there is that sleep deprivation until your body learns to do it.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's definitive evidence that getting non-REM sleep is needed or not needed at all. The nap study lasted only 10 days, probably not long enough for those doing something similar to the Everyman to make their naps most effective, their sleep cycles were still normal.
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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2013, 03:50:45 PM »
fuck everything
i went to take a nap at 09:50 and set a loud alarm for 10:10 but nope it takes me until 15:30 to wake up >:(

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 04:25:45 PM »
... maybe you're just not an alarm person?  :-\

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2013, 04:35:38 PM »
no, someone turned off all my alarms

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2013, 05:07:35 PM »
maybe it's you but you forgot about it :P

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 05:25:39 PM »
no, someone turned off all my alarms
Yeah I don't think someone would do that...

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 05:56:50 PM »
I looked at my phone and all the alarms were off, and I didn't turn them off...?

anyways nap 1 went without sleep and then my alarm went off just as I fell asleep

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2013, 07:56:56 PM »
They were off before they were supposed to go off... or after?

The way alarms work is they turn off after they go off, and if you slept through the alarm, then obviously they would no longer be set.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2013, 08:01:40 PM »
no the phone has a switch so that the alarms will sound when it is time and they are "on" or they will not sound when it is time and they are "off"

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2013, 10:58:07 PM »
nap 2 went, also without sleep, although since stage 1 sleep you're still concious but not thinking i think i may have got some of that

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2013, 02:18:42 AM »
Maybe you need a louder alarm? Some of my family uses phone alarms, and basically for the last few months of school what happened was I woke at 5:50 from my alarm, then I just heard their phone making noises for all the time I spent on the bathroom. They don't wake up from it. The days where I'm not at school I sometimes can hear it just ringing for hours. So useless. I sometimes place my second alarm clock in front of their door and set it to ring while going to the bathroom just to let them feel how annoying it is to hear their stupid alarm clock for---ok so my suggestion was just that maybe you need a louder alarm.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2013, 02:20:28 AM »
Nah, I needed something more than just sound. So I turned on vibration.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2013, 02:52:20 AM »
I will of sleep now, if I wake up well after 6am I have entered the land of try again.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 09:57:51 AM »
Overslept by 4 hours now? :P

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2013, 12:08:07 PM »
I don't see how you are supposed to live on 4 hours of sleep. :P I guess you could get used to it eventually, but you'd probably died if you tried to do anything that required moving.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2013, 12:43:17 PM »
Not if you trained like that all *time* long. Anyways, he'll probably be half-sleeping later on if he doesn't get enough sleep.
The humane body is great like that

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2013, 12:51:22 PM »
I don't see how you are supposed to live on 4 hours of sleep. :P I guess you could get used to it eventually, but you'd probably died if you tried to do anything that required moving.
It has to do with REM sleep.

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2013, 01:32:14 PM »
I don't see how you are supposed to live on 4 hours of sleep. :P I guess you could get used to it eventually, but you'd probably died if you tried to do anything that required moving.
It has to do with REM sleep.

Makes sense. Seems like something that wouldn't work with anything that has a schedule though. :P

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2013, 01:40:08 PM »
[13:30]   Darvince   fiasdjfiojasdifjasdifojioawerjiojgidsjgfokvopkopjitkopkhckopkopfkopykwopekopkopjsioofdpo
   i woke up to both alarms but i was like "why the fuck" and went back to sleep
[13:31]   Kalassak   darvince lovely job you did then
   Darvince   kol
   Kalassak   no polyphasicing i suppose?
   Darvince   i am not going to sotop trying
[13:32]   Kalassak   but you did stop trying
   you have to be deprived of sleep before you will insta-REM
   Darvince   no i didn't realize what they were for until i woke up without an alarm
   and now i am like "how was i so sotupid"

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 11:55:37 AM »
Kol.

Not going to try polyphasicing myself, because it seems like I'm unnormally bad at falling asleep. :(
However, I will investigate this matter further by writing down timestamps from my alarm clock at random moments in the night so I can see when I wake up (approx), get up, go to bed, fall asleep (approx) and the approx number of times I wake up randomly during the night. The plan is to include them all in my Satstats from now on, but this seems even more bureaucratic than graphing my exercise, so not sure if it'll work well.

Data from first night:

Went to bed: 22:40
Slept: 0:30 (this is the last timestamp I wrote down before falling asleep at least)
Timestamps written down during the night: 2:07, 3:31, 5:44
Woke up: 8:05
Left bed: 9:32

Yes, it's pretty hard to actually say when exactly I've been asleep, apparently I had 3 dreams (first about a game, then one about me apparently getting a random imaginary boyfriend and trying to avoid family, then a completely distorted world where I was in a high school like a gigantic maze, people from both primary school and high school, where everyone hates me, someone avoids me who I don't want to avoid me, all sort of social conflicts and people getting angry and violent etc.)

Of course I also was awake for some minutes around the timestamps in the night, maybe all the way from 2:07 to 3:31, but it would be too bureaucratic to include that in the statistics, so I'll just include up to 4 moments as points in time. Here's a graph of today so far.

At one point this night I actually remember seeing the clock write something like XX:87 I think, and thought about the xkcd with the night clock and how vh should see that :P but I didn't find that I wrote it down in the morning, so that might've been a dream or Idk what.

Maybe I should've posted this in a separate thread, then again I guess there aren't that many people who are interested in my sleeping problems so oh well. I can also just repost it in dream thread if you want that Darvince. :b
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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 12:37:17 PM »
all i see: Bla, the largest, then me, then kip, and a small bit oh hellpotate

and i think you invented a new graph :)
couldn't you have used a color coded, possible double or triple line graph?

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2013, 03:33:34 PM »
darv you don't seem to be doing better each day :/

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2013, 03:43:58 PM »
get the alarm where you have to shoot 3 times at a board and about bulls eye before it shuts off

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2013, 04:02:29 PM »
no i am doing worse each days

also bla those approx 90 minute times between the writing down timestamps is probably a sleep cycle

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Re: Darv tries polyphasicing
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2013, 04:39:35 PM »
were you so tired you just lay in bed