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Darvince

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Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2012, 11:26:22 AM »
the USSR was socialist trying to impress the world
but really they were failing for a really long time because their main way of being socialist was by having an isolated economy

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 11:37:42 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2012, 12:22:37 PM »
the USSR was socialist trying to impress the world
but really they were failing for a really long time because their main way of being socialist was by having an isolated economy
In fact their economy grew fastest while it had autarkic policies... It began to stagnate in the 1970's and began to import a lot of things. There are several reasons why, the main one their military spending being gigantic compared to their total production (like North Korea today compared to the west), and later Saudi Arabia increasing oil production, making oil prices fall sharply and ruining the USSR balance of payments. World War 2 is also worth mentioning and the fact that despite much bigger destruction, the east got no help compared to the west from the intact USA.

With that said, no, having an isolated economy doesn't make it better, and surely the USSR's economy would've done much better if it could've cooperated with an industrialized socialist west rather than being undermined by and protecting itself against it.
And having an autarkic economy reduces interdependence. It's more of a necessity from international politics than an economic policy.

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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2012, 12:24:39 PM »
don't need oil

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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2012, 12:30:51 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2012, 12:45:46 PM »
dont forget teh ussrz was an evilz corrupt dictatorsip ruuld bey evil Stalin
Stalin definitely was one of the most evil people to ever exist. As for the rest of USSR's history it was hardly more evil than USA (not that that's not more than evil enough). Both of them were ready to kill millions of people around the planet to stop each other. USA has supported countless dictatorships to undermine the USSR and even installed a few, and certainly is still corrupt to this day. With no bipolar system today, USA has decided to treat Earth as its playground and testing site for missiles.

Both countries have pissed on either social, civil or political rights of its citizens to some extent. The USSR was in no way ideal but I think there are some good things socialists can learn from it in how to (and not to) build a socialist society.

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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2012, 01:27:57 PM »
uhh I think this is why bla left the forum

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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2012, 02:17:34 PM »
uhh I think this is why bla left the forum

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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2012, 03:13:16 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2012, 03:20:31 PM »
i don't think darvince was being serious there

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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2012, 03:51:52 AM »
i don't think darvince was being serious there

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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2012, 08:01:48 AM »