Author Topic: Where we come from. (Read 6442 times)

Desacabose · « **on:** May 09, 2012, 02:15:14 PM »

Think about this

Religion: Deity creates universe and existence.Problem:Deity can't have created itself
Atheist: Universe creates itself.Problem:Universe can't have created itself
Is there really any right answer? $:-\$

vh · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2012, 03:21:55 PM »

Well, it's debatable that the Universe couldn't have created itself. Maybe it spontaneously appeared out of nowhere. Or maybe, the universe is just a part of a larger multiverse.

Desacabose · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2012, 03:27:54 PM »

Quote from: mudkipz on May 09, 2012, 03:21:55 PM

Well, it's debatable that the Universe couldn't have created itself. Maybe it spontaneously appeared out of nowhere. Or maybe, the universe is just a part of a larger multiverse.

But then where does that come from?Every thing came from nothing.There is no true way to explain it?Gods couldn't have came from nothing either.The only real question is how it could happen how could nothing produce everything?It can't it defies logic but so is the way of logic answers only lead to more questions.

vh · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2012, 03:35:34 PM »

It happens all the time, actually, in our universe. Out in space, particles appear spontaneously. They always appear in pairs, which, most of the time, immediately annihilate with each other and leave no trace. Near black holes, however, a particle might be pulled into a black hole and the matching one might fly out, which is known as 'Hawkings Radiation'. This is also the reason why quantum mechanics can't be practically observed in the macroscopic scale. The random particles generated by the universe cause the superposition states to collapse almost instantly.

Bla · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2012, 10:20:03 PM »

It could have always existed.

Or according to Lawrence Krauss, it could have come from nothing.

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009

Gods explain nothing and only add extra links to the issue, I agree with that.

Desacabose · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2012, 11:54:18 PM »

Ugg mind boggling

vh · « **Reply #6 on:** May 10, 2012, 02:58:31 AM »

Well of course, as we all know, God simply said, 'let there be light', farted 2700 trillion trillion tons of hydrogen, and created the sun.

Naru523 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 10, 2012, 03:33:12 AM »

There is many stories which the universe was born.
One is my story. That the the whole existence of space was so lacking in awesome that God/Bla/Dan/I put the need and created the awesomeness that is the universe into this cruel, bitter wide space.

Desacabose · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:09:49 AM »

oh hey thought of something:
1.Species evolves to near godlike abilities
2.Figures out time travel(lol)
3.Goes back before big bang
4.Does something awesome
5.Big Bang

This is possible because although they weren't around before the big bang they had the ability to be

Bla · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:16:44 AM »

But then the cause requires its own effect to exist.

It doesn't explain where those species came from or the universe which allowed them to evolve for the first time. Assuming they could cause a Big Bang, they would still need to be able to evolve independently from their abilities once, otherwise they would never exist to cause the Big Bang for the first time.

Desacabose · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2012, 08:19:08 AM »

*thinking of work around*

atomic7732 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2012, 10:37:32 AM »

I have a theory.

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/1136/1/Our-Last-Goodbye/

m435 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2012, 12:51:09 PM »

Now that you ask, I live in a suburb of New York City

Darvince · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2012, 04:21:56 PM »

so does kip.

DUNDUNDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

FiahOwl · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2012, 06:55:00 PM »

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deoxy99 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2012, 10:54:00 PM »

How about we just stop wondering about this? I don't think we'll ever know how this universe came to be.

Darvince · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2012, 11:10:12 PM »

Yes children. Stop desiring the knowledge. Only I can have it and be safe.

Desacabose · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2012, 05:25:19 AM »

Quote from: Bla on May 14, 2012, 08:16:44 AM

But then the cause requires its own effect to exist.

It doesn't explain where those species came from or the universe which allowed them to evolve for the first time. Assuming they could cause a Big Bang, they would still need to be able to evolve independently from their abilities once, otherwise they would never exist to cause the Big Bang for the first time.

Well of course they would have evolved into very powerful species and eh...

vh · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2012, 12:11:11 PM »

Even a very powerful species in this universe or anything at all wouldn't be able to create the universe it formed out of because it violates casuality, which holds up in almost all cases. (breaks down in small scale because of uncertainty principle.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_(physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

Desacabose · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2012, 11:16:14 PM »

Well.............They................eh..........Maybe..........Okay Maybe they simply survived for a long amount of time and discovered...something or...........Without......grr.........I can think of this!1

vh · « **Reply #20 on:** May 16, 2012, 03:01:16 AM »

Well some of the current theories on the formation of the universe are

Hartle-Hawking State

Which basically says that time as a dimension did not exist before the universe. Just as we cannot leave this universe in the space dimension, if we had a time machine, we could not leave this universe in a time dimension either.

String Theory Landscape

Which says that before there are multiple levels of 'vacuum'. Space is a pretty empty vacuuum, but still has energy in it. Before the universe, the level of vacuum was very high. In this state, strings could spontaneouly appear by lowering the energy of the vacuum around them. This way, they made the universe. Scientists have calculated that this could have happened in 10^500 ways.

Ekpyrotic Universe

Some scientists believe our universe formed from a collision of two branes. A brane is basically a dimension of space. According to the M-theory, there are 10 dimensions of space and 1 dimension of time. So when one dimension collides with another, a universe forms.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #21 on:** May 16, 2012, 05:46:32 AM »

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Bla · « **Reply #22 on:** May 16, 2012, 06:29:21 AM »

Quote from: Desacabose on May 15, 2012, 11:16:14 PM

Well.............They................eh..........Maybe..........Okay Maybe they simply survived for a long amount of time and discovered...something or...........Without......grr.........I can think of this!1

We need to accept not knowing things. Making explanations for things with no evidence for them doesn't help us in any way. That's basically what religion does. Invent explanations for why the world is as it is (and thousands of silly rules for us to obey), it may seem comforting to some, but it doesn't make it true.

Ideas on how the universe could've come into existence are interesting, but there's no point in getting annoyed if an idea doesn't work or try to invent hundreds of amendments and ad hoc solutions to it.

Desacabose · « **Reply #23 on:** May 16, 2012, 06:51:40 AM »

I refuse to accept the idea of the universe creating itself or a deity