Author Topic: Kollaborative Konlang Projekt (Kolkon) (Read 30063 times)

matty406 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:06:28 AM »

Quote from: ShoeUnited on May 02, 2012, 09:49:57 AM

As it so happens, I was without internet for a couple of days in February. I got bored and decided to make my own structured language. I never finished, but this may give some ideas to what you can do. You'll need something that can view OpenOffice files, of course. If the files lack some of the structure rules I defined, I'll edit and add them here. I never finished it (just merely killing time), but as you see a language take shape you keep thinking of more ways and rules that need editing and amendments.

I totally did this when I was without my laptop.

ShoeUnited · « **Reply #31 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:20:01 AM »

Quote from: matty406 on May 02, 2012, 10:06:28 AM

Quote from: ShoeUnited on May 02, 2012, 09:49:57 AM
As it so happens, I was without internet for a couple of days in February. I got bored and decided to make my own structured language. I never finished, but this may give some ideas to what you can do. You'll need something that can view OpenOffice files, of course. If the files lack some of the structure rules I defined, I'll edit and add them here. I never finished it (just merely killing time), but as you see a language take shape you keep thinking of more ways and rules that need editing and amendments.
I totally did this when I was without my laptop.

Haha. The things we do when we've no internet.

As a side note, I've not seen anyone decide or really mention word structures.
Such as the SVO rules (Subject Verb Object). Not all languages are structured SVO.

Word Order	English Equivalent	Example Languages
SVO	I love you.	English, Mandarin, Russian
SOV	I you love.	Hindi, Japanese, Latin
VSO	Love I you.	Hebrew, Irish, Zapotec
VOS	Love you I.	Baure, Fijian, Malagasy
OVS	You love I.	Apalai, Hixkaryana, Tamil
OSV	You I love.	Jamamadi, Warao, Xavante

And then you have the entire problem (opportunity) of deciding things. Do you want pronouns? How do you want to handle possessives? Plurals? Prepositions? Articles? Conjunctions? Do you just want to throw all of them out? Do you want to have the language describe the people (Such as Spanish words ending in "A" or "O")? Do you want to accept more genders? Do you want/need of genderless words? (Previous examples: His, Hers, Theirs) Do you want contractions? Do you want compounds words? If so, how many are allowed? (German example: Zweihundertvierundachtzigtausend) Do you want notations? Stress symbols in the written language? How about Hebrew where vowels are understood from context? How about number rules? (Much, many, very many) What about adverbs? (He goes quickly vs. He goes quick - both describe the same idea generally) Do you want to forgo SVO and adapt a language that puts priorities on who is addressed first? My language idea was to have certain rules where the person addressed was addressed first then personal statements come after based on vowel-consonant structure. Hard to describe in short, but makes sense with the contextual setup I was planning.

Anyway, while you're at it. What kind of numbers system does this language base off of? You need to think about the society (even an imaginary one) that would need to create its own language. Is it a desert peoples? Do they primarily hunt dangerous game? Are they brutal slavers? These kinds of questions place priority in a language. A people who live in a jungle and have never seen desert may have a word for Hot and Sand. But they may not have one for dry and a hundred for wet. Knowing what words are going to mean and the society behind them (again real or imaginary) can help develop the language.

Bla · « **Reply #32 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:30:57 AM »

Are you sure Russian has SVO? As far as I know, "I love you" in Russian is "Я тебя либлю / ya tebya liblyu" ("I you love").

Anyway, cool. And our language should have SVAG, or at least SVOG.

And I suggest our language has limitless compounds words, which I think we've already discussed, and I suggest that it should be genderless too (words should not change based on gender of the people they refer to or whether they are an item or a human (not to speak of animals), and nouns, especially items, should not be divided into genders).

ShoeUnited · « **Reply #33 on:** May 02, 2012, 10:43:52 AM »

Quote from: Bla on May 02, 2012, 10:30:57 AM

Are you sure Russian has SVO? As far as I know, "I love you" in Russian is "Я тебя либлю / ya tebya liblyu" ("I you love").

Anyway, cool. And our language should have SVAG, or at least SVOG.

And I suggest our language has limitless compounds words, which I think we've already discussed, and I suggest that it should be genderless too (words should not change based on gender of the people they refer to or whether they are an item or a human (not to speak of animals), and nouns, especially items, should not be divided into genders).

I am more than accepting to be wrong. Hehe.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:06:37 AM »

Woah woah I think your about 15 steps ahead ShoeUnited!

I'm trying to go one step at a time, am I the only person that does this anymore? Whenever I'm working on something people try to suggest things way ahead of time. Before we try to make sentences we need words, you know?

FiahOwl · « **Reply #35 on:** May 02, 2012, 11:46:43 AM »

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 02, 2012, 03:08:23 PM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on May 02, 2012, 11:46:43 AM

Aeridanian citizens will have to learn two languages, English and Aeridanian. Danish is optional, but is an offical language.

This topic has nothing to do with our nations.

So any additions to the alphabet?

FiahOwl · « **Reply #37 on:** May 02, 2012, 06:44:04 PM »

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 03, 2012, 05:19:29 PM »

No additions? I would have thought Bla might have wanted to add the crossed o thing.

vh · « **Reply #39 on:** May 03, 2012, 05:44:35 PM »

ж
э
ф

Darvince · « **Reply #40 on:** May 03, 2012, 11:10:08 PM »

kÃ¸lÃ¸k

Bla · « **Reply #41 on:** May 04, 2012, 02:01:50 AM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on May 03, 2012, 05:19:29 PM

No additions? I would have thought Bla might have wanted to add the crossed o thing.

We could add Ã†, Ã˜ and Ã… if you want. I don't care a lot, though, but if we want more vowel sounds for the alphabet we could.

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Bla · « **Reply #43 on:** May 04, 2012, 04:49:54 AM »

To grease or to spread butter on a piece of bread.

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 08, 2012, 03:24:17 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on April 30, 2012, 11:19:43 AM

[20120502 03:17 UTC] Notes: There will be no b, c, j, m, q, t, or w.
[20120508 22:19 UTC] Notes: The addition of ι, ж, э, ф, Ã†, Ã˜, and Ã….

So we have the letters we know we'll be using, now comes the task of ordering them. I know it isn't really needed, but it'll be useful to have a list.

How about aÃ¥Ã¦deэfфghiιklnoÃ¸prsuvxyzж?

After this we'll decide sounds. Hello IPA!

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Darvince · « **Reply #48 on:** May 08, 2012, 04:48:44 PM »

>sphereon
are you doing this on purpose or what

atomic7732 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 08, 2012, 04:49:38 PM »

* atomic7732 facehoofs

Should I maybe link a definition of "conlang" in the first post? Yeah probably not, would be a waste of time.

NEW LANGUAGE SIR! We're not changing English. What would even be the point of that? Besides, when you have a name transferred through languages you tend to have to change some of the characters, do you not?

Welp. I give up. I can't ever be clear enough. Not gonna try anymore.

Made gigantic text on first post that no one that will ask probably even reads.

vh · « **Reply #50 on:** May 08, 2012, 05:04:20 PM »

WELP
anyway i think kapitalizing letters is poo

FiahOwl · « **Reply #51 on:** May 08, 2012, 05:49:32 PM »

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #52 on:** December 18, 2012, 03:35:57 PM »

Okay, reviving this.

I'm just going to go with aÃ¥Ã¦deэfфghiιklnoÃ¸prsuvxyzж being the alphabetical order, but if anyone has objections just... object.

The next step is the sounds that each letter will have. So here's how we'll do this, anyone may propose a list using every letter listed above (in the original post as well) with pronunciations in IPA. Other forms of pronunciation may accompany the IPA, but unless the IPA is listed, it will not be elegible for the vote. There will be 6 days available to submit pronunciations in this topic by 20121225 00:00 UTC, when voting will begin (in the Kolkon Poll Topic). Obviously, to decide and finalize your pronunciations discussions/suggestions/compromises may occur in whatever way we all see fit, and if for some reason this is still going on, the time will be extended before the voting begins. The one with the most votes at the end of the poll time, probably 3 days, will become the official Kolkon alphabet's pronunciation.

Unless people want to vote by letter if there are many pronunciations? Idk, the way the poll works might change, we'll have to wait to see how they come in.

Considering ι was voted in as /aɪ ɛ/, and suggested by me... you may want that to be the pronunciation.

vh · « **Reply #53 on:** December 18, 2012, 03:37:53 PM »

HEIL KALANUE

Hellpotatoe · « **Reply #54 on:** December 18, 2012, 03:49:33 PM »

Quote from: vh on April 30, 2012, 03:02:17 PM

i don't like getting rid of 'w'

how would you way 'welcome", or 'whale'?

ueucom
ueile

I pronounce 'em like this.
"Ai prononse em laique tis"

blotz · « **Reply #55 on:** December 18, 2012, 04:26:09 PM »

* bong objects

atomic7732 · « **Reply #56 on:** December 18, 2012, 04:28:27 PM »

Objections make no sense unless you have an alternative.

Darvince · « **Reply #57 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:24:39 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on December 19, 2012, 09:24:07 PM

* Darvince facepalms

atomic7732 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:27:28 PM »

Ok so people, just don't post in this topic if you're not contributing to it. You might want to also consider that in other topics too.

Darvince · « **Reply #59 on:** December 19, 2012, 09:44:33 PM »

i can do what i want