Author Topic: NationStates Map/Roleplay (Read 514415 times)

FiahOwl · « **Reply #90 on:** June 11, 2012, 10:21:10 AM »

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vh · « **Reply #91 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:03:52 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on June 10, 2012, 08:01:35 PM

Maybe we should do actual maps after this.

Wait you mean this is a joke! i've been caked to! *mudslaps atomic*

Quote from: FiahOwl on June 11, 2012, 07:11:57 AM

Quote from: mudkipz on June 10, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
Quote from: FiahOwl on June 10, 2012, 05:42:48 PM
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Not as much time and skill as to draw, say, this; (NOT FINISHED YET, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS)

that's like saying using a calculator sucks because it takes more time and skill to multiply two 100 digit numbers together.

Quote from: FiahOwl on June 11, 2012, 10:21:10 AM

I know, I do too, I'm just a bit pissed that he's using crappy polygon art while we are drawing it by hand.

Polygon art isn't necessarily crappy. I prefer it to your squigly lines map actually. And i drew it with the polygonal lasso tool in photoshop. I doubt you hand drew your thing either.

vh · « **Reply #92 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:04:38 PM »

also why is your map so dirty? looks like i mudslapped it.

matty406 · « **Reply #93 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:21:06 PM »

Polygons can always be subdivided :P

vh · « **Reply #94 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:22:02 PM »

i heard matty can be subdivided too. into vodcakes.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #95 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:24:38 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #96 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:26:22 PM »

With you actual hand and pencil/pen/whatever? Not a mouse and computer/laptop/electronic device?

And even if you actually do, that does not necessarily make your map better or mine worse.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #97 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:27:16 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #98 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:27:57 PM »

Yes well i used my hand and the left click button and the lasso tool to make polygon maps.

vh · « **Reply #99 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:29:45 PM »

First of all more work =/= more time
i could be productive and eat 5 cookie in one second or spend an hour eating 2 cookies

and more time =/= more skill
i could scribble all day and i wouldn't draw anything looking good.

and more work =/= more skill
unskilled labor.

and none of those necessarily make your map good or better than mine.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #100 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:34:02 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #101 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on June 11, 2012, 12:34:02 PM

Quote from: mudkipz on June 11, 2012, 12:27:57 PM
Yes well i used my hand and the left click button and the lasso tool to make polygon maps.

But who has more skills? The person who dices up a few potatoes and throws them in the oven with his premade chicken nuggets, or the man who finds a wild chicken, kills it, cuts it into chicken slices, and throws it on the stove and deep fries it?

This is an invalid analogy because you're linking skill to outcome. You're saying that the person who knows how to kill chickens and cook them is going to end up with a better product. This isn't necessarily the case.
Example: Either you can be 'skilled' and try to calculate pi to 100 digits, or you can use the internet, and find a million in a minute.

Quote from: mudkipz on June 11, 2012, 12:29:45 PM

First of all more work =/= more time
i could be productive and eat 5 cookie in one second or spend an hour eating 2 cookies

No, what I mean is that you could prebake those five cookies in the oven, or make them from scratch by using the egg beater, chocolate chips, and epicsause
what if those prebaked cookies weigh a kilogram each. then it takes more work but less time. Unless, of course, you can't lift 5 kilograms.

and more time =/= more skill
i could scribble all day and i wouldn't draw anything looking good.

If you try to draw something and just don't scribble, you could draw something way better than the guy who dedicated five minutes to drawing a pony eating poop
Nope. If the guy drawing a pony eating poop is better than you artistically, and he is motivated to try, then he has drawn something better than you.

and more work =/= more skill
unskilled labor.

More work means you have the chance to get more skilled, it is often called "Practice makes perfect".

If you do the same thing badly over 100 times or 1 million times you do not become perfect. Also skill and perfection are not the same thing. Skill is when you can do something with minimum effort. Perfection is when you do something until there are absolutely no errors or faults

and none of those necessarily make your map good or better than mine.

I am aware of that, I just mean I put more work into my map and I should get some respect, unlike them fancy young kids using their fancy tools and premade boxes.

Believe it or not, it takes some effort to construct polygons of aesthetic value. Also, just because someone could do something faster than you does not mean they should not be respected and you should. Also polygons are not premade and your line, pencil, brush tool can be considered fancy.

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FiahOwl · « **Reply #102 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:49:17 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #103 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:52:01 PM »

I did get your point, but it was invalid, and i will stop debating if you stop insulting my maps.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #104 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:54:09 PM »

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #105 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:57:34 PM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on June 11, 2012, 12:34:02 PM

But who has more skills?

Does it really matter? The only thing it will enable you to do is boast about how you're more skilled, and that isn't going to really help you anywhere, now is it?

FiahOwl · « **Reply #106 on:** June 11, 2012, 12:59:29 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #107 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:02:56 PM »

Epic is an opinion and thus unquantifiable quality so the only person you're 'proving' anything to is you.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #108 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:04:54 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #109 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:06:10 PM »

No you can't prove epic because it is unquantifiable. Yes. Just read it again.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #110 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #111 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:12:12 PM »

epÂ·ic [ep-ik] Show IPA
adjective Also, epÂ·iÂ·cal.
1.
noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style: Homer's Iliad is an epic poem.
2.
resembling or suggesting such poetry: an epic novel on the founding of the country.
3.
heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.
4.
of unusually great size or extent: a crime wave of epic proportions.

None of these have set amounts and there is no measure for epic, so this must mean that epic is unquantifiable. Lets stop derailing this thread anymore. If you want to argue about the quantifiability of the adjective 'epic', start another thread.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #112 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:13:24 PM »

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matty406 · « **Reply #113 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:21:28 PM »

Guys stop it, each to their own.
Here's my map in progress, modelled around faultlines.
With lines: http://i46.tinypic.com/o8f9mp.jpg
Without: http://i45.tinypic.com/4jnd6w.jpg

vh · « **Reply #114 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:23:02 PM »

[03:47.49] <+matty406> I'm going to try and model a map around faultlines
[03:50.12] <Darvinse> it's all your fault matty406 >.<
[03:50.19] <+matty406> YES
[03:50.24] <+matty406> BUT YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT
[03:50.29] <Darvinse>

[03:51.08] <+matty406> YOU ALL WERE

FiahOwl · « **Reply #115 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:25:06 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #116 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:28:25 PM »

switch your vote or something then. you've already voted for yourself.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #117 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:32:51 PM »

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vh · « **Reply #118 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:34:34 PM »

fixed.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #119 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:35:30 PM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on June 11, 2012, 01:04:54 PM

No, it means I am epic and I can prove it to you.

And that's this boasting that I am mentioning. Besides, "skill" is more or less an opinion when it comes to map-making.

(This should have been posted 4 posts ago but I was double-ninja'd and I was afk eating so...)

Poll

huh

Author Topic: NationStates Map/Roleplay (Read 514415 times)