[ATL] Map and Flag Thread I

[FiahOwl]

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[deoxy99]

Not with something called "logic". Countries don't want random land.

[FiahOwl]

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[deoxy99]

Anyways, I created this. This is what could have happened during World War 2.

I present to you, the Greater German Reich!

[Darvince]

wtf Guyana...

[ShoeUnited]

wtf Guyana...

French Guyana.

Also, you're not really going into the Middle East and the 'Stan nieghborhood.  Germany, Britain, and the Soviets were heavily invested in the greater Caspian region for oil.

[Bla]

Somewhen several years after today, USA has taken over most of the western hemisphere, which is also cooperating with Russia to a lesser extent. The corporations became increasingly powerful at the cost of the state, and at last, the most basic services provided by the state were placed in the dirty and greedy hands of the corporations. With so many resources under its control, it cuts itself off from the rest of the world, which it considers socialist. The official language is American, and British accents have become extinct (sorry Matty).

Taxes have been abolished, leading USA into a form of anarchist capitalism called "capitalizm". The government is a corporation without power to hold elections, with the only role of preventing crime - but only if the victim or its supporters can afford paying for it. The privatized police is now mercenaries and law-enforcers when paid for it, and National Rifle Association is similarly mercenaries.

People take surnames after the corporations they work for, and a person with two jobs adopts a fusion of the surnames (like Julia Nike-McDonalds). Schools are sponsored by corporations, but are hardly educating people, instead using them to broadcast corporate propaganda. The corporations have formed two blocs of consumer loyalty programs in fierce competition with each other.

Ambulances must be payed for before they can be dispatched. There is no public welfare and there are no regulations on weapons. Drugs can be bought in supermarkets. Roads are privately owned with charged access.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government

[Naru523]

French Guyana.

But French Guyana is the to the right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guyana

[deoxy99]

Yes, I'm talking about British Guyana, not French or Dutch Guyana.

Naru, what do you think of my ATL?

[Darvince]

Somewhen several years after today, USA has taken over most of the western hemisphere, which is also cooperating with Russia to a lesser extent. The corporations became increasingly powerful at the cost of the state, and at last, the most basic services provided by the state were placed in the dirty and greedy hands of the corporations. With so many resources under its control, it cuts itself off from the rest of the world, which it considers socialist. The official language is American, and British accents have become extinct (sorry Matty).

Taxes have been abolished, leading USA into a form of anarchist capitalism called "capitalizm". The government is a corporation without power to hold elections, with the only role of preventing crime - but only if the victim or its supporters can afford paying for it. The privatized police is now mercenaries and law-enforcers when paid for it, and National Rifle Association is similarly mercenaries.

People take surnames after the corporations they work for, and a person with two jobs adopts a fusion of the surnames (like Julia Nike-McDonalds). Schools are sponsored by corporations, but are hardly educating people, instead using them to broadcast corporate propaganda. The corporations have formed two blocs of consumer loyalty programs in fierce competition with each other.

Ambulances must be payed for before they can be dispatched. There is no public welfare and there are no regulations on weapons. Drugs can be bought in supermarkets. Roads are privately owned with charged access.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Government

AAA! *moves to Europe*

[deoxy99]

America, what have you done this time?

[FiahOwl]

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[Naru523]

Yes, I'm talking about British Guyana, not French or Dutch Guyana.

Naru, what do you think of my ATL?

It's good, I s'pose. Not enuff wank though.

Incidentally I'm working on a Axis Powers wank.

[deoxy99]

What is a wank? Should I even know what that is?

[FiahOwl]

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[Naru523]

Or, in cartographic terms, a wank is making a country big.

[deoxy99]

Thank you Naru. Fiah, I knew it was a sexual word as well.

[Bla]

*Looks at Russia.*

...*Kols*

...*Leaves thread.*
*Sorry!*

[Naru523]

Finished it. Might clean some up and make it more better later.

The year is 1950. The Axis has won World War II, and the Nazis have now stretched from South America to Iran, and from Congo to Norway. They are now one of the most powerful forces in the world, only rivaled by Japan and the US. The Italian Empire is its most trusted ally in Europe, and both of them make most of Europe under their control. Japan has barely won against the USA, after tricking them in several key battles. They control almost all of East Asia, minus the two Chinas and Tibet. The Communists in China declare independence from the Republic, and declares war on the Empire of Japan. The Indian Commonwealth, who was granted independence by England from force, also declares war on Japan. With the Chinese Republic weakening even more, Tibet declares war on them.

The Soviet Union is now a weak nation. They lost all their valuable land in Europe, and lost ports in the Far East. They are deciding whether to dis-establish the nation, or try to power the lands up. The people hope for the latter, as the Americans sending supplies their last hope of avoiding the Nazis and the Japanese.

Britain was forced to give independence to her dominions due to the Nazi's forceful treaty. The Sealion Operation were successful to them, and they hold ports in their homeland and influence towards the Southwest. They now rely on the US to send materials for the post-war time.

The United States, Mexico, and the newly independent nation of Canada are suffering from Nazi rebellions. They are seeking their goal into making their respective governments into a Nazi puppet, but they are being defeated easily. However, gangs in Northern Mexico pop up and makes the situation in Mexico even harder. Central America was unified as a puppet state of the Americans, only for protection from the Nazism and poverty.

In South America, Venezuela and Chile have their governments collapsed and now ruled under a fascist dictatorship with Nazism. Venezuela declared war on Columbia, while Chile declared war on Peru and Bolivia. Civilians fear that this will lead into a proxy war, with the Americans on the coalition side and the Nazis on the fascist side.

The world will forever change. There is now a Cold War, not a two way, but a three way. The former Allies, the Nazi-Italian alliance, and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, lead by Japan.

[deoxy99]

Oh, that's what the previous map was from you, your Axis ATL in the works.

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[Naru523]

[deoxy99]

What is that last map?

[Darvince]

Delivery times.

[ShoeUnited]

Finished it. Might clean some up and make it more better later.

The year is 1950. The Axis has won World War II, and the Nazis have now stretched from South America to Iran, and from Congo to Norway. They are now one of the most powerful forces in the world, only rivaled by Japan and the US. The Italian Empire is its most trusted ally in Europe, and both of them make most of Europe under their control. Japan has barely won against the USA, after tricking them in several key battles. They control almost all of East Asia, minus the two Chinas and Tibet. The Communists in China declare independence from the Republic, and declares war on the Empire of Japan. The Indian Commonwealth, who was granted independence by England from force, also declares war on Japan. With the Chinese Republic weakening even more, Tibet declares war on them.

The Soviet Union is now a weak nation. They lost all their valuable land in Europe, and lost ports in the Far East. They are deciding whether to dis-establish the nation, or try to power the lands up. The people hope for the latter, as the Americans sending supplies their last hope of avoiding the Nazis and the Japanese.

Britain was forced to give independence to her dominions due to the Nazi's forceful treaty. The Sealion Operation were successful to them, and they hold ports in their homeland and influence towards the Southwest. They now rely on the US to send materials for the post-war time.

The United States, Mexico, and the newly independent nation of Canada are suffering from Nazi rebellions. They are seeking their goal into making their respective governments into a Nazi puppet, but they are being defeated easily. However, gangs in Northern Mexico pop up and makes the situation in Mexico even harder. Central America was unified as a puppet state of the Americans, only for protection from the Nazism and poverty.

In South America, Venezuela and Chile have their governments collapsed and now ruled under a fascist dictatorship with Nazism. Venezuela declared war on Columbia, while Chile declared war on Peru and Bolivia. Civilians fear that this will lead into a proxy war, with the Americans on the coalition side and the Nazis on the fascist side.

The world will forever change. There is now a Cold War, not a two way, but a three way. The former Allies, the Nazi-Italian alliance, and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, lead by Japan.

First, my bad for the Guyana mix-up.   

Next: There's more story to tell.  Japan's goal was to take over the Pacific Rim.  Was Australia able to overcome in their key battles they had in our history? 

I see that Italy claims control of East Africa and the Mediterranean.  I take it they were successful in their attacks on Greece and Albania.  So Rommel never had to travel to Lybia and Tunisia?    Who is in control of the Congo-Madagascar zone?  Is South Africa and Namibia self-controlled?  Mussolini is known for hating Hitler's latching onto Fascism.  Does the inability to resurrect the Roman Empire affect the populace in any way?

If  Japan doesn't control that Micronesia area, who does?

With Canada's push of Communism (and much of Western Societies) in the early part of the century, would they be allied with Russia? (The same as early Mao revolutions were allied and supplied)  How about states bordering Canada?  Defections?  North Dakota was especially socialistic in the 60s (They still have a state owned bank).

Would Alaska still be a territory, a quickly formed state, or a buffer state?  Without the stability of two Super Powers and the release by force, how come India didn't degrade into factional city-states again?  Japan didn't take New Zealand? 

I would expect more factional divides in the US between communists, facists, nazis, and demo-repubs.  I take it by the color the US rescued and kept Hawaii.

Would Germany let Italy control Sinai? 

Sorry, just questions that came to mind.  I wouldn't be asking if I didn't find this fascinating.

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[Naru523]

Next: There's more story to tell.  Japan's goal was to take over the Pacific Rim.  Was Australia able to overcome in their key battles they had in our history? 

Japan couldn't fight against the Americans that long, and were almost defeated if not for support from the Germans, who developed the nuclear bombs first rather than the Americans. Australia also barely won, but the Japanese couldn't get much land unless they wanted quite a lot of rebellions.

I see that Italy claims control of East Africa and the Mediterranean.  I take it they were successful in their attacks on Greece and Albania.  So Rommel never had to travel to Lybia and Tunisia?    Who is in control of the Congo-Madagascar zone?  Is South Africa and Namibia self-controlled?  Mussolini is known for hating Hitler's latching onto Fascism.  Does the inability to resurrect the Roman Empire affect the populace in any way?

In OTL 1942, the Italians had already control of Greece and Albania, mind you.  Rommel indeed went to North Africa, and they were more superior against the British and Americans as they devised a plan. Congo is controlled by both Germany and Italy, and Madagascar is controlled by Britain. As a result of the treaty, South Africa, who controlled Namibia at the time, was granted independence with other British dominions. Mussolini decided to hang on with the Germans more as they granted them full independence and when they gave them pieces of Eurasia and Africa. While they were a bit unsuccessful to resurrect the Roman Empire, they decided to form the Italian Empire of the Mediterranean, which is a bit close to the Roman Empire itself.

If  Japan doesn't control that Micronesia area, who does?

Japan still controls Micronesia, it's just a province as a part of the Territory of Oceania.

With Canada's push of Communism (and much of Western Societies) in the early part of the century, would they be allied with Russia? (The same as early Mao revolutions were allied and supplied)  How about states bordering Canada?  Defections?  North Dakota was especially socialistic in the 60s (They still have a state owned bank).

Canada would be allied with the Soviet Union, since both of them hated Nazism and the fact they were allies in the war. The states bordering Canada were so that it could be easier to try to topple both governments at the same time.

Would Alaska still be a territory, a quickly formed state, or a buffer state?  Without the stability of two Super Powers and the release by force, how come India didn't degrade into factional city-states again?  Japan didn't take New Zealand? 

Because of the war, Alaska still remained a territory (I might change it the coast into a military zone in the next version, with other fixes). All of the Indian princely states hated the fact strong foreign powers were next to them after independence. When they got support of the Western powers, they attacked the Japanese with the Americans sending them war subsides and supplies, which strengthen them. Japan could've taken New Zealand, but the Nazi's treaty with the British didn't let them take the nation. This is one of the primary reasons that the Japanese broke away from the rest of the Axis.

I would expect more factional divides in the US between communists, facists, nazis, and demo-repubs.  I take it by the color the US rescued and kept Hawaii.

The U.S. is actually at the near of the second American Civil War, with pro-nazi movements starting in first. Soon, other factions will take action as the government have trouble.

Would Germany let Italy control Sinai? 

Germany let them control the Sinai Peninsula, but both Germany and Italy have control on the Sinai Canal for specific purposes.

Sorry, just questions that came to mind.  I wouldn't be asking if I didn't find this fascinating.

Thanks.

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[Bla]

Scandatomica sounds like something which would be in Scandinavia.