Author Topic: Blacraft (Read 2725670 times)

Bla · « **Reply #2340 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:05:33 PM »

I'm not going to delete oceans just because they're oceans. They're meant to be a part of the game.

Darvince · « **Reply #2341 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:12:40 PM »

No, Fiah is using troll logic.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2342 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:45:46 PM »

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Bla · « **Reply #2343 on:** January 25, 2012, 07:23:19 AM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on January 24, 2012, 11:45:46 PM

Quote from: Bla on January 24, 2012, 11:05:33 PM
I'm not going to delete oceans just because they're oceans. They're meant to be a part of the game.

But that is the easiest way to let me fix chunk borders. Hope a forest generates there instead, and easily fix the chunky borders.

But I would have to move the islands, creating even more chunky borders. And it'd be a huge waste of time if a forest doesn't generate there.
I think, either you will lose the islands and the sea, or I will crop the sea a bit south of the islands. If everyone who developed the islands can agree to lose them, I can crop it where I cropped earlier to the south.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2344 on:** January 25, 2012, 08:20:52 AM »

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Bla · « **Reply #2345 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:09:28 AM »

We can also make a treaty that you will fix the chunkyborders of the islands if I moved them within x amount of time.

Anyway, Blacraft has been updat'd to 1.1. I haven't cropped the map yet or anything, and I might wait a few days before doing it.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2346 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:23:24 AM »

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Bla · « **Reply #2347 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:33:44 AM »

Quote from: FiahOwl on January 25, 2012, 10:23:24 AM

Lol, reply 2345.

Congratulations, you win a stack of diamond blocks! You thought.

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2348 on:** January 25, 2012, 10:36:30 AM »

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Bla · « **Reply #2349 on:** January 26, 2012, 07:42:39 AM »

So far, I'm the only one who has voted in this poll about replacing the moss stone in Spawntown.
Vote now, if you want any influence on it.
I can extend the poll if you want...

Darvince · « **Reply #2350 on:** January 26, 2012, 09:58:16 AM »

I think you should extend it to 12:00UTC as 00:00UTC is one hour before Naru gets home from ~~torture~~ school, and 1.1 hours before I normally reach home. Also it's like 2 minutes after Nue gets home.

deoxy99 · « **Reply #2351 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:52:26 PM »

That would look ugly with sandstone, but since I have 1.1 and I am too lazy to downgrade, I can't vote.

vh · « **Reply #2352 on:** January 26, 2012, 01:54:22 PM »

it's been upgraded to 1.1....

vh · « **Reply #2353 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:54:55 AM »

it'll extend left, you see the multiple sand tiers, a florr at each one or just 1 main hall?

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2354 on:** January 27, 2012, 01:23:04 PM »

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blotz · « **Reply #2355 on:** January 27, 2012, 07:26:39 PM »

Just wondering, does anyone have a manual spider farm? (I dont want to build one and find out that there is one already)

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2356 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:01:25 PM »

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blotz · « **Reply #2357 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:06:41 PM »

You have coords?

Bla · « **Reply #2358 on:** January 28, 2012, 03:09:36 AM »

Quote from: bong on January 27, 2012, 08:06:41 PM

You have coords?

Look in the Spawntown Dungeon Center, it is at Shaft Square (the shaft with glass ceiling near the public storage). There are a few spider dungeons in it.

blotz · « **Reply #2359 on:** January 28, 2012, 09:05:59 AM »

Whoever found the spider dungeon #2, can I use it to make a spiderr farm?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #2360 on:** January 28, 2012, 12:34:23 PM »

Quote from: Darvince on January 26, 2012, 09:58:16 AM

I think you should extend it to 12:00UTC as 00:00UTC is one hour before Naru gets home from ~~torture~~ school, and 1.1 hours before I normally reach home. Also it's like 2 minutes after Nue gets home.

12 UTC is like... a few hours before we all wake up on a school day... 00 UTC is 17 MST. You don't get home at 18 MST, do you? I surely don't eat an hour before I get home.

blotz · « **Reply #2361 on:** January 29, 2012, 12:40:40 PM »

Does being in water affect your damage rate? Also, you have to stop walking before opening chest. I found like 3 opened chest in the plubic storage.

vh · « **Reply #2362 on:** January 30, 2012, 01:25:23 PM »

Transport Rail alternatives?

Powered rails:
Speed: ~8 m/s
Minimal size: 1x2
Bidirectional
Amount of cargo: Unlimited
Resources for 1km:
300 iron
72 wood
200 gold
200 redstone
Operational Costs: None
Limitations: Items block path

Furnace Carts:
Speed: ~3.4 m/s
Minimal size: 1x2
Bidirectional
Amount of cargo: Unlimited
Resources for 1km:
375 iron
41 wood
Operational Costs: 1.22 coal/km
Limitations: Items block path.

Piston Monorails:
Speed: ~3.3 m/s
Minimal size: 2x7 (2x14)
Bidirectional to a certain extent
will travel half-speed opposite direction
Amount of cargo: 12 minecarts per train
Resources for 1km:
6000 stone
7000 redstone
250 wood
Operational Costs: None
Limitations: None

Ok so we use powered rails right now. They're good and all, but they are very costly to make, especially cargo rails.

I'd like to use furnace carts, but Bla thinks they're too slow use fuel which is bad.
-We could use furnace carts for cargo and powered rails for human transport, since (human transport) needs less gold.
-Also, to travel 1.6km in a furnace cart, which is farther than most regions from spawntown, would take 2 charcoal (2.5 wood). That only takes a matter of seconds to mine or punch. I'd happily supply all the fuel and more needed to power furnace carts. (1 furnace cart can push a theoretically unlimited number of chest carts for cargo transport)

Piston transports are cool and stuff. They're slow and big, but stable, steady, and you can get off and on at any time just by walking or jumping. They can only carry 12 chest carts, but seeing as spawntown-desertopia cargo line only has 9 chest carts, we won't be surpassing this limit soon. Because they're so slow, they probably are only good for cargo and sightseeing. Or if you have a lot of time. Piston transport is fairly large, but this shouldn't be a problem if you build aboveground. The piston transport won't stop if it hits a mob, item or anything. A protective cover is easily built with 3 blocks/ meter of track. So, a great cargo rail that is materially inexpensive.

Except the 7,000 redstone/ km That might be a problem

Bla · « **Reply #2363 on:** January 30, 2012, 01:38:29 PM »

Are you sure the pistonthings are stable? I could imagine redstone lagging and making something go wrong along the road. But maybe most problematic, what if it moves outside loaded chunks? The chestcarts would only load the chunk they're in, so if they're not on the edge of the thing and moved first, maybe it would stop. This could be tested.
Can they even turn?

I don't like having lots of straight lines visible on the map either.

Also, about the economy of the piston transport:
Gold is 32 times more rare on redstone, assuming you strip mine inside y=16. 7000 redstone is 35 times more than the 200 gold, meaning that gathering the redstone would take slightly more effort than gathering the gold.
(Even though the gold could also be used for people transport, while we don't use that much redstone)

I'm still for powered minecarts for cargo transport. Only the best is good enough, and we can gather enough gold to do it if we splunk and strip mine every once in a while. I have about 60 gold blocks in Spawntown Collective Storage ready for a new cargo route if it's worth it.

We COULD also build the other projects, maybe as a (maybe permanent) temporary thing before the gold rails, but in that case they should be at different altitudes imo.

vh · « **Reply #2364 on:** January 30, 2012, 02:26:56 PM »

Analysis of about 7809 chunks
from layers 10-13 (head level at 12, most optimal mining position)

gold: 0.07%
iron: 0.39%
redstone: 2.50%

The redstone was multiplied by 4.5 to account for the mining of ore yielding 4-5 redstone

So as for time needed to mine ores in each for of transport, assuming 1 block broken per second which equates to 4 blocks made visible per second. per kilometer

Powered (cargo)
300 iron -------------------------------5 hours 30 minutes
200 gold -------------------------------18 hours 48 minutes
200 redstone -------------------------- 35 minutes
Total: ~25 hours

Furnace
375 iron -------------------------------6 hours 53 minutes
Total: ~7 hours

Piston
7000 redstone ------------------------20 hours 24 minutes
Total: ~20.5 hours

Ok, piston monorails wont work, i can see that. What do you mean by "Only the best is good enough"

Assuming this server runs for another 5 years, pretty optimistic? Assume a total cargo rail mileage of 4km by the end of 5 years, not unrealistic (considering to expansion of spawntown to the north and Vatallus city in progress). At 1chestcart-kilometer per day, and assuming 2 kilometer distance per average trip. That is 1826 kilometers traveled. (2070 charcoal).
In 5 years, 110 chestcart hours will have been saved with powered vs furnace transport.

2070 charcoal=21 minutes to mine and 20 minutes to smelt, add another 20 minutes for walking etc. Thats 1 hour of work to power 5 years of minecarting.

According to above calculations, 4km of powered rails will take 100 hours while 4km of furnace cart will take 28 hours, a difference of 72 hours.

Assume, P% of the time, you are waiting at *this* location for a chest cart to arrive.

If P%*110>71, then it is worth it to build powered rails

P>65, then build powered
P<65, then don't powered

The longer the rail is run, the more this tips in favor of powered rails. But i think 5 years and almost 2000km of travel is very optimistic prediction.

The cargo rail between spawntown and desertopia has been used about 20 times, and not once have i needed to wait for the minecart.
Anyway i don't really care whether or not powered rails are used or not between regions. I just think it'd save time and effort.

Although can i have building to building cargo rails within my region that use furnace carts. I don't need speed, and i like use minimal materials. A single harvest of my half completed farm will yield over a large chest of melons, so i'll transport significant amounts of material. Not enough that powered rails should be worth it, but more than i can comfortably carry.
(As in, carrying the material would take up a significant portion of the time i needed to make/mine/harvest it in the first place).

Bla · « **Reply #2365 on:** January 30, 2012, 11:44:11 PM »

As for the calculations, you wouldn't mine the ores seperately, so the time to get the whatever-takes-longest ore would be the total time.

But yes, furnace carts would be more economic.

You can build cargo rails within your region with furnace carts, but if you don't plan for them to become booster cargo rails some time, you should not build them at y = 40.

Darvince · « **Reply #2366 on:** January 30, 2012, 11:58:28 PM »

Bla, bla, bla. So many regulations, so much more work.

Bla · « **Reply #2367 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:28:44 AM »

AHHHH KLAUSTRO+PEOPLEPHOBIA

WHO IS POKING MY LIVER

FiahOwl · « **Reply #2368 on:** February 04, 2012, 11:37:53 AM »

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vh · « **Reply #2369 on:** February 04, 2012, 12:40:47 PM »

The lava

it burns