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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2014, 10:08:28 AM »
What is this I don't even. Homophobe is a legitimate word for someone with discrimination against specifically gay or lesbian people, not some catchphrase created by the evil liberals to silence the Great Conservatives.

My thoughts exactly. I think phinehas is taking the word phobia too literally.

Can we stop arguing? Apparently we all have different understandings of the word.

I dont think we are actually arguing here, it seems more like a debate since noone is getting mad thankfully.


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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2014, 10:09:15 AM »
Well we kind of need to be a united force if we want to accomplish anything. Although that's extremely difficult on an internet forum when trolls are present.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2014, 10:27:50 AM »
phinehas is a prescriptivist who thinks he writes the english language

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2014, 11:26:25 AM »
He does though, haven't you heard? There are no words in english he doesn't know because he makes every word from his hands. Hail Phinehas, Lord of English.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2014, 11:58:09 AM »
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Welcome to the Internet.

I've been on the internet for 9 years now and I have only seen a few homophobes.

Especially in real life, I know thousands of people personally because that's just what its like in rural Ireland and not one of them is a homophobe. Maybe that's why I don't its a real problem anymore.
That's interesting.

From my experience (I live in Denmark and most of this was from a suburbish-semi-rural area) ever since around 5th or 6th grade in school, people (especially insecure guys) would yell "gay", "homo", "fag" etc. at each other as a slur. This is pretty universal and has happened a few times in my family as well.
Occasionally people in class put on music with the lyrics "gays bleed pink", "gays aren't real people" and so on.
High school was similar.

Some of those who use the words as slurs simply don't realize what they're saying, one in high school was for gay equality for example, but one day still called a football team he didn't like "gays". I asked him why he used that word for them and said I was gay and he said sorry.

Some others actually have pretty morbid ideas, I remember two random guys sitting talking at a table in front of me while I was soldering, one of them began to speak of how all gays were rich people involved in prostitution and other such delusional/misguided ideas.

On the political front we have two parties here dedicated to profiling themselves on anti-gay positions, the christian democrats who fortunately dropped out of the parlament last election, who like to judge and police other people according to some book they happen to really like, and Danish People's Party (DF), who also likes to share its lack of solidarity with immigrants and non-christians as well. When discussing a law in the parlament that set gay couples equal to hetero couples equal when they got children from artificial insemination, they somehow need make slippery slopes and compare it to being able to marry animals to make their points [source]...
Then there's the mail someone working in their party accidentally sent to the whole media group at the parlament, instead of their party... Writing "extremist homosexual fraction groups should get some beatings" [source]
I'm curious what kind of things they write internally
Kol

The Danish LGBT organization has asked lots of politicians lots of questions on LGBT issues. One was:
"Do you think the religious communities should be able to decide by themselves whether they want to marry people of the same gender?" (The law forbade the marrying when the question was asked)

Here's a sample from the christian democrats party of the religion of love and all that...

- "No - I'm a Christian. And the Bible is the best guidance for life. God is love. But marriage between two of the same gender is an abomination and rebellion against God. - Marriages in the church or blessings of homophiles etc. are frauds towards the homophiles etc."
- "If you force this on the established church, it will cease to exist, because people will be pouring out of it. So even if you forced the established church to do it, it would only be temporary, because the established church would cease to exist - but then there would be resemblance in the words, if you assume the free church doesn't simply take over....."
- "Yes - I ought to have written "NO", but I guess it will be misunderstood in the schedule. It is not up to the religious community to decide on God the Lord's ways who God should bless. The Bible contains many examples of humans who want to "bless", where God doesn't! Only a fool doesn't fear God's wrath!"

And then there's Enhedslisten, good we have them and Socialist Youth Front to fight for justice.

- "Yes - We should seperate state and church, and in my opinion, we thus can't make laws about who the religious communities must marry or not. As an atheist, it's hard for me to understand why you would want to be a part of a religious community, which doesn't accept you as the one you are..."
- "Yes - But you could of course imagine the opposite situation, that the parliament says yes and the religious communities say no. Should the parliament not interefere with the religious communities' affairs in that case?"
- "It is completely stupid to have a club, where the homosexuals are kept out. If they can't manage not discriminating, maybe they should just stop marrying people completely."
- "No - I'd actually rather abolish the religious communities' authority to marry people, but as long as they have that authority, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate."

...After it was legalized they COULD say yes though, a gay couple who wished to get married in the church (for reasons beyond me), got rejected by 17 priests.

So homophobia, anti-gay, anti-LGBT, whatever you want to call it, even the countries that get called the most tolerant are still infested with vermin who refuse to recognize, treat, speak of homos as equals. It will probably take a long time for the world to fight and overcome them, and the big problems obviously lie in the countries with death penalties and many years in prison as punishment above places like where I live...

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2014, 12:03:03 PM »
Again, insults...logical fallacies are strong within you Jedi.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/ap-nixes-homophobia-ethnic-cleansing-150315.html


The irony.

 "the construct of homophobia, as it is usually used, makes an illegitimately pejorative evaluation of certain open and debatable value positions, much like the former disease construct of homosexuality." - William O'Donohue and Christine E. Caselles

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01371377

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2014, 12:14:47 PM »
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of the religion of love and all that...

Contrast with...

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are still infested with vermin

Yes, they just simply are hypocrites and talk about love but they don't love what we do.  If they loved us, as in what we think love is, they would do more than tolerate and would accept our crack smoking, murdering, stealing and raping but they don't, we get hate speech...so we call them, drunkphobes and drugphobes, murderphobes, stealphobes, rapephobes...they are vermin...now that's love speech.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2014, 12:44:14 PM »
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time
« Last Edit: September 03, 2014, 01:00:41 PM by Darvince »

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2014, 01:24:43 PM »
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time

Of course I read it, hence my specific quoting and commenting on it.  Perhaps you should try that versus what you just did, being vague and making a declaration about a slippery slope you don't define in my text.  Seriously, YOU try harder or continue to look like you are grasping at invisible straws.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2014, 01:34:48 PM »
omg i'm so offended and feel a huge need to reply and make the troll feel satisfied with my anger

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2014, 02:12:54 PM »
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time

Of course I read it, hence my specific quoting and commenting on it.  Perhaps you should try that versus what you just did, being vague and making a declaration about a slippery slope you don't define in my text.  Seriously, YOU try harder or continue to look like you are grasping at invisible straws.

Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8

Yeh seriously im starting to get lost in this thread, that was a good read though Bla...

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2014, 02:31:33 PM »

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2014, 04:25:47 PM »
omg i'm so offended and feel a huge need to reply and make the troll feel satisfied with my anger

Perhaps Dan should stop creating threads about gayness on a software forum if they don't want opposing views.

Edit.  Was having divergent thoughts, meant to say Bla.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2014, 05:21:59 PM by phinehas »

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2014, 04:28:40 PM »
TIL Xriqxa is Dan Dixon.

But anyway, how do you not see a slippery slope in making a statement that basically equates "alternative" sexualities such as homosexuality with rape, murder, drunkenness (I don't see how this is bad unless you're driving), stealing, and being high on cocaine (again I don't see how this is bad please explain).

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2014, 05:25:27 PM »
You see it as a slope because you confuse equating permanent consequences with the temporal.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2014, 05:32:22 PM »
Okay I have reevaluated my beliefs and have decided that the Great Conservatives are correct and the dirty homogay are polluting our wonderful land of freedom. They are the same as the men of the world who stoop so low as to kill another man, for all people except the Glorious Christian Straight White Male are not worthy of consideration and must be kept silent. Praise be to Jesus the Saviour of all Conservative Americans!

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2014, 12:42:56 PM »
homophobe - A person who hates or fears homosexual people

Love is what life's all about. Hate is for fools.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2014, 11:07:46 PM »
i'll go neutral.. since i'm not gay

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2014, 11:21:41 PM »
Being anti-homophobic has nothing to do with being gay, I'm almost certain that Xriqxa is not gay (he has never made any mention of the sort) but you don't have to be gay to be anti-homophobe at all. Technically being "neutral" only helps the more hateful side, which tends to be the homophobic side (it's in the word).

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2014, 11:32:47 PM »
well i'm not picking any side. i'm proud being straight and doesn't hate gays.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2014, 11:36:33 PM »
Why should you be proud to be straight? I'm not proud to be gay, I actually don't like it. It is like being proud of being tall, or having red hair, or any other feature that you cannot influence.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2014, 12:42:43 AM »
No, I am not gay. Now can we stop derailing the thread and actually remove homophobes from our communities?

Idk hang a poster or something.
« Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 02:10:32 AM by Bla »

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2014, 02:20:45 AM »
I'm wondering Xriqxa - are LGBT issues/people something you've heard people talk about where you live or talked to others about (as in irl)? Or do people just not talk about it?

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2014, 04:18:49 AM »
Mainly schoolmates making slurs etc.

As I've said before, homophobia is somewhat a problem around here. Wikipedia pages about transgenders (and probably other LGBT types) have been blocked.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2014, 05:31:36 PM »
homophobe - A person who hates or fears homosexual people

Love is what life's all about. Hate is for fools.

The problem however is that you either use that word incorrectly to describe people that neither hate or fear homosexual people or you water down the meanings of the words hate and fear.  If you use this word towards people that are uncomfortable around gay people, the same as a woman would be uncomfortable if a man walked into the public restroom or towards people that dislike gay culture the same as others may dislike African America pop culture, then you are being intellectually dishonest at best.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2014, 05:35:37 PM »
Mainly schoolmates making slurs etc.

As I've said before, homophobia is somewhat a problem around here. Wikipedia pages about transgenders (and probably other LGBT types) have been blocked.

Is pedophilia, bestiality or necrophilia blocked too?  Just wondering.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2014, 12:20:07 AM »
These are all available.
Government, if you are going to block homo-sex why the hell can people still search up zoophilia, which is undoubtedly anti-Islamic?

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2014, 02:45:17 AM »
Being transgendered doesn't really have much to do with homosexuality, it just means you don't identify with your biological sex. I've tried copying the article over here, Idk if that would be available for you:

https://db.tt/EXRgwdqy

Is heterosexuality blocked as well? Just wondering.

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2014, 05:35:30 PM »
I came across this quote while "trolling the internet" (only atomic will get this)

"If homosexuals can't get married because it goes against YOUR religion, then you can't have cookies because I'M on a diet."

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Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2014, 01:45:33 AM »
That's a good point, but I don't think modern homophobia is based on religion.