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faster than light particles.
« on: March 02, 2016, 01:35:06 PM »
Have you every wondered if anything can move faster than the speed of light. For many years people have wondered this. First we broke the sound barrier now we are trying to break the light barrier tachyons. This a particle that theoretically can move faster than the speed of light. Though they don't exist we have ways to find if they are real. Particle accelerators can help us with this. The charge a particle making it go faster and faster. We there are particles that can move the speed of light those are called neutrinos. But right now we are focused on going faster than the speed of light or speed of light well it's in a vacuum ( this is the fastest form of light). Most people have claimed that they have broken the light barrier but had their calculations wrong. Now if your wondering who did this I can answer your question. The one example of some people you have done this are:  Wang, Alexander Kuzmich and Arthur Dogariu. They have made claims of breaking the light barrier but had the calculations wrong this was a put down for their university and most of the people there quit. Please comment and vote please.  :P 
« Last Edit: March 09, 2016, 11:17:12 AM by fredetuc »

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2016, 08:27:14 AM »
This should probably in the science forum.

There is no evidence, either empirical or theoretical, that tachyons exist and their existence would overturn most of modern physics. FTL is outside mainstream physics and I don't know of any reputable scientist who would make claims of ftl particles. Even in the case of the "ftl" neutrinos, I doubt anyone believed it was anything other than equipment/experimental error.

Breaking the speed of sound and breaking the speed of light are fundamentally different in the way that eating an apple and eating your own mouth are different. It's different in the way that reading a book is different from reading a mind with telepathy. The difference is like the difference between getting on a plane and flying away and shapeshifting into a bird and flying away.

Ok I got a bit carried away there but I hope the analogies help.
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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 12:10:35 AM »
@vh

I think a better analogy would be

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hey i managed to jump over this puddle, let's see if i can hurdle the pacific ocean

not to mention all the physics that get in the way

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 02:54:06 AM »
Breaking the speed of sound and breaking the speed of light are fundamentally different in the way that eating an apple and eating your own mouth are different.

I definitely like this analogy for explaining how they are different, as while working under Newtonian logic, it is very easy to exceed the speed of light, once you grasp Einsteinian relativity and other related concepts, you rapidly see how impossible it is to exceed that speed without turning into something completely different, which as far as we know doesn't even exist.

Tachyons may well exist in my opinion, but they are impossible to detect with our current technology. And even if they do exist, I would think of them more as an opposite to matter traveling below c in the same way that antimatter is the opposite of matter.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 12:00:31 PM »
Finally someone agrees that tachyons exist. Thank you
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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 12:02:23 PM »
i prefer the term 'superluminon'

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 11:44:29 PM »
Finally someone agrees that tachyons exist. Thanx

>asks people if they think a theorized particle exists or not with an open poll
>implies tachyons surely exist, no question about it
>recognizes that there's no evidence
>favors people who agree with his *opinion*

darvince didn't even say he believed tachyons exist, he said that they're possible. If you're not ready to be disagreed with, don't use the internet, let alone make a poll.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2016, 04:56:10 AM »
Finally someone agrees that tachyons exist. Thanx
So, was the entire point of creating this topic to have someone agree with you that tachyons exist? For the record, you can't say that I believe or do not believe in the existence of tachyons, they are only a concept that I think could exist, albeit unable to interact with regular matter in any way, under our current understanding of physics.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 10:39:23 AM »
General relativity

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 10:45:52 AM »
Well what theory do you believe in?

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 07:24:43 AM »
the theories that have been widely accepted for over a century

what other theories are there other than Einstein's work, anyway?

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2016, 08:37:33 AM »
an atom cannot lose or gain itself

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2016, 10:26:11 AM »
I don't understand the nitty-gritty of it, but what happens is that W and Z bosons interact with a proton in the nucleus and change it into a neutron. The corresponding electron is not attracted to anything anymore (since the proton is now neutral) and it just flies away.

Not sure what this has to do with the topic

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2016, 01:20:02 PM »
I believe in God's theory of physics where only His supreme divinity can travel faster than light. If we are to colonize other star systems as God intended, we must channel all interstellar communication through His divine faith.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2016, 02:25:37 PM »
i didn't think this thread could get any worse but it did with your shitpost

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2016, 06:47:17 AM »
I believe in God's theory of physics where only His supreme divinity can travel faster than light. If we are to colonize other star systems as God intended, we must channel all interstellar communication through His divine faith.

I really like this it is a good quote.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2016, 09:36:46 AM »
Thanks, in my Opinion we as a society have abandoned Him and been contaminated by poor-quality Memes and Shitposting.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2016, 10:24:57 AM »
Thanks, in my Opinion we as a society have abandoned Him and been contaminated by poor-quality Memes and Shitposting.

I know right

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2016, 01:09:41 PM »
i don't think someone who still considers pluto a plant should criticize people for what scientific theories they follow

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2016, 06:35:05 AM »
When did I criticize.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2016, 12:30:15 AM »
You didn't directly, but you've heavily implied more than once that you find superiority in yourself for believing in a  purely speculative theory.

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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2016, 05:53:18 AM »
ok?

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2016, 11:15:31 AM »
You can have virtual particles that travel FTL

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2017, 04:13:54 PM »
Exceeding the speed of light isn't just a hard problem, it's a self-contradictory due to the geometry of spacetime.
It's not like jumping over the Pacific ocean because you can jump a puddle, and it's not a flimsy technological barrier like the speed of sound. Going faster than the speed of light is like a trying to make a circular square--a  geometrically nonsensical statement. It doesn't feel nonsensical because our intuition of speed is relativistic.
The geometry of spacetime is abundantly well demonstrated and has been used on a daily basis to make very practical machinery work by particle physicists like me.

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Re: faster than light particles.
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 04:58:14 PM »
Considering how I believe in higher, lower, and parallel dimensions (not the same thing as parallel universes), sure, I'll bet tachyons exist somehow.