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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #180 on: November 07, 2014, 12:07:18 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #181 on: November 07, 2014, 12:17:04 PM »
syllabaries take up less space though, and depending on your definition of 'efficient'. . .
I don't have my own definition of efficient.

Learning one unique, complicated symbol for each word isn't very efficient and it isn't for typing on a keyboard either, and I think that more than makes up for the compactness, so I go for an alphabet.

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #182 on: November 07, 2014, 12:26:05 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #183 on: November 07, 2014, 12:43:38 PM »
soleani uses an abugida - each character is a large base which represents the consonant, and there is a small vowel marking

in soleani's case, this gives rise to the circular indentations which 'hold' the vowels.

pretty efficient if you ask me

syllabaries are more complicated: unlike in am abugida where 'ka' and 'ke' look very similar, they look entirely unrelated in a syllabary (like katakana)

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #184 on: November 07, 2014, 06:50:17 PM »
bla: I am actually trying to learn kapunaki (because reasons) and it is not one symbol:one syllable. An abugida is basically the same as an alphabet, but there is a space somewhere in the symbol where the vowel goes (in kapunaki's case, a dot, a vertical line, a horizontal line, an up-opening semicircle, a circle, an up-opening almost complete circle, and a right-opening semicircle are the vowels) however there is a separate symbol for letters in the coda (so ta and at are different symbols, i'm referring specifically to the t's, t is one symbol, a is another symbol, and -t is a third)
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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #185 on: November 07, 2014, 07:03:06 PM »
demonstration

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #186 on: November 07, 2014, 07:22:48 PM »
the codas are based off of the initials, but generally lose the large tail and are simplified

btw 'y' is a left chevron like « but single or <

i might be updating the vowels to be based off lunar phases and stuff since most can already be related and i can add the sonorants n, ng, l, r

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #187 on: November 07, 2014, 07:52:30 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #188 on: November 07, 2014, 09:29:16 PM »
no it would just mean the symbols look like simplistic represenations and those phases would have single vowel names

instead of a new moon it'd be called 'a' and a full moon is 'u'

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #189 on: November 08, 2014, 07:46:49 AM »
I think Soleani looks cool and creative, but I don't really want a writing system where you put wovels into consonants.

I would've liked to base Blaxian off Soleani or other languages in the region, to show some kind of traces of common ancestry for the languages as that'd be realistic, but I also have my own ideas for how Blaxian should be, so I don't really want to just follow other people's languages that I haven't had any influence on.

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #190 on: November 08, 2014, 09:02:50 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages eh not that realistic, I mean there's probably random word resemblances due to areal interaction (languages in similar areas may have higher resemblance than ones far away, even if they are in different language families)

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #191 on: November 08, 2014, 02:53:28 PM »
I'm just saying I'd like an alphabet where wovels and consonants aren't merged but are separate symbols. Consonants are also separate symbols (I'm not sure about e.g. X etc., they'll probably end up being merged).

I didn't really intend to start a long discussion about languages, I'm not very interested in languages.


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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #193 on: November 10, 2014, 02:36:32 AM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #194 on: November 10, 2014, 07:20:32 AM »
waht the voiced

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #195 on: November 10, 2014, 12:30:54 PM »
well as far as i know they're allophones of each other in languages that don't distinguish ie /f~v/ /s~z/ /x~ɣ/

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #196 on: November 18, 2014, 12:29:29 AM »
Alumikai
The northernmost surviving language of the East Serkr languages, Alumikai is an endangered language in the Aeridanish mountains. It has many grammatical features and is very compact.

Verbs
Alumikai has:
Two voices (active, passive) - s, [default]
Two moods (desire, need) - á, io
Two aspects (imperfective, perfective) - l, [default]
Three tenses (past, present, future) - z, o, palatize last consonant
Three genders (masc. neut. fem.) - a, e, i
Three persons (first, second, third) - []*, t, v
Three numbers (singular, dual, plural) - [default], m, n
+clusivity u(number) = exclusive
* First person is same as gender. First person goes where person is.

They are arranged in the order:
(root3)-(voice)-root1-(mood)-(aspect)-(person)-root2-(gender)-(number)-(tense)

Verbs have 2-5 letters as their root. Root1 = first letter, root2 = second letter, the 3rd, 4th and 5th are placed in order at the front. If unpronounceable cluster occurs:
  a)move nearest vowel to inbetween cluster
  b)if double, add e on front. ff -> eff

vr - eye
verz - seen
vro - seeing
vŕ - will see
vero - i see
vermo - us two see
verumo - us two see
verno - we see
veruno - we see
vetro - you see
vtreo -> vetro
vetron - you see
vtreno -> vetrno -> vetron
evvreo - they see
evvreno - they see


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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #197 on: November 18, 2014, 12:48:58 PM »
cute

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #198 on: November 18, 2014, 12:58:33 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #199 on: November 18, 2014, 04:08:38 PM »
The northernmost surviving language
that should be a hint

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #200 on: November 18, 2014, 06:35:29 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #201 on: November 18, 2014, 07:28:22 PM »
the language is on a reservation near a lake in the northernmost mountain range that runs parallel to the northwest coast

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #202 on: November 18, 2014, 08:20:28 PM »
maybe it was intentionally left vague

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #203 on: November 18, 2014, 08:37:06 PM »
yeah so you couldn't find where they live and force them to speak aeridanish even in the home

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #204 on: November 20, 2014, 08:15:18 PM »

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #205 on: November 21, 2014, 03:53:14 PM »
no that's just the right amount

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #206 on: February 10, 2015, 10:57:18 AM »
are yoka ci and pionséri and maybe others related more distantly i.e. germanic and romance in indo-european

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #207 on: February 10, 2015, 07:45:32 PM »
It seems like you people want your languages to be as complex as possible. Kol.
i wanna do this now except i could just recursively define everything and then make it impossible to form sentences because the simplest one would be longer than the entire universe in time to say

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #208 on: February 10, 2015, 08:55:09 PM »
repetition is not complexity

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Re: All the Languages thread! [usfn]
« Reply #209 on: February 10, 2015, 08:58:06 PM »
no not repetition, true complexity (ie literally every ambiguity is taken care of and marked morphologically)