Author Topic: UPS flag competition (Read 22231 times)

atomic7732 · « **on:** June 13, 2012, 02:55:06 PM »

As founder of the United Pacific States I was thinking we could maybe have a friendly little competition to submit a flag for the region that represents most (if not all) of the nations in the region. Yes? No?

If you want.

At the end we'll vote to keep the original regional flag or any of the submissions. Okay?

Post your submissions here by 20120625 00:00 (UTC)

You are limited to two submissions.

Voting begins after submission deadline, post here (or regional message board) for which one you like the best (including the current one). Details on other aspects of voting will be discussed, but it'll probably be some form of stages of elimination. The submissions in the lowest third percentile based on amount of votes will be absent from the next round. If that isn't very clear mudkipz or someone can write something and I'll quote it in here.

vh · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:18:19 PM »

suggestions:

1. include regional flag in competition, not as a seperate entry at the end
2. because so little people vs many flags, it should be done in a tournament like way, first eliminate the flags with no votes etc.
3. make people post instead of poll because multis

Also can non-ups member join and vote.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:20:46 PM »

woah mudkipz what do you mean by 1 and 3?

I don't see why a non-UPS member should be able to vote but then again I don't see why they shouldn't be able to, so I guess they can.

vh · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:27:13 PM »

by #1 i mean.

instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result

by 3# i mean, multiple forum accounts, so make people post to vote instead of poll.

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I don't see why a non-UPS member should be able to vote but then again I don't see why they shouldn't be able to, so I guess they can.

Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.

vh · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:29:37 PM »

also i think we should also be able to submit entries to the tups rmb, i've changed the world factbook in anycase.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:30:14 PM »

Quote from: mudkipz on June 13, 2012, 03:27:13 PM

instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result

Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

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Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.

Well, then define who is in the UPS... ? I would consider it anyone who is from this forum who has a nation (plus other people who joined in NS who aren't from here), in which case it doesn't really matter who posts to vote (which makes sense instead of a poll so okay).

vh · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:39:11 PM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:30:14 PM

Quote from: mudkipz on June 13, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result
Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

because that would give the current flag an advantage; it only has to go through 1 round and not be voted out vs several for other flags

Quote from: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:30:14 PM

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Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.
Well, then define who is in the UPS... ? I would consider it anyone who is from this forum who has a nation (plus other people who joined in NS who aren't from here), in which case it doesn't really matter who posts to vote (which makes sense instead of a poll so okay).

ok. how would we prevent multis though.
One of the new nations in tups could always be a puppet of someone.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:43:42 PM »

But what if they aren't? I guess we would have to ask them to sign up and Dan could verify IP addresses?

Yes, that could be bypassed but they'd be going out of their way... I don't think someone would really care to do that.

Bla · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:52:13 PM »

We could just let people tell Atomic (or someone else) what flag they vote for and then he counts the votes, or let people post it in public. If a user who is suddenly called SouleatingHamburger suddenly joins the topic all of a sudden, and in his/her first post, suddenly wants to vote for a certain flag, maybe it could be because that person was, in fact, a multi.

Unless people don't like to post their votes in public.

vh · « **Reply #9 on:** June 13, 2012, 03:58:12 PM »

Well there are members of the ups not on the forum.
we could try irc, but that would be pretty difficult.
google docs, but they could make another email

atomic7732 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:01:50 PM »

I think voting should be public, I don't know why it would matter. So, kipz, you mentioned a "tournament", but it didn't seem to be like, matching pairs or anything, how would it work? Maybe like, put a lower limit on votes (percentage maybe) to eliminate flags with no, 1, (maybe 2) votes so that the votes can go to the more likely to win the next round? Idk that makes sense to me.

vh · « **Reply #11 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:06:22 PM »

Yes, for the first round, eliminate all flags with no votes, then depending on how many flags left, keep going.

Someways to prevent multying:

All email to a gmail account and i'll check ip to make sure different. i'll ss votes and make the account public if anyone wants to verify later. Problem with this is that the sender must not be using gmail, so that complicates things.

Google Docs:

Can be thwarted if someone uses multiple gmails.

besides that, idk.

vh · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:08:52 PM »

Or, ahah, make a wiki and then can't you post as a guest or something and that'll show the ip too.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:23:47 PM »

I just think we trust people by posting here or have Dan or Bla verify IP. (Can Bla see IPs?)

Bla · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:27:14 PM »

(Bla cannot see IPs)

vh · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:29:30 PM »

Ok, i don't think we should need people to post their entries here, though. the rmb is fine.

well that is probabla a good thing. if bla saw ips, he'd stalk us and commiefy us all

vh · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:30:36 PM »

Quote from: mudkipz on June 13, 2012, 03:39:11 PM

Quote from: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: mudkipz on June 13, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result
Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

because that would give the current flag an advantage; it only has to go through 1 round and not be voted out vs several for other flags

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^does atomic agreee with the above and if yes then can change op?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:33:12 PM »

I did... ?

vh · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:33:55 PM »

oh nvm.

vh · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:36:44 PM »

another thing:

maybe we should submit flags anonymously to prevent bias?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:39:14 PM »

I have an idea, actually. Yeah, if you could send submissions to me I could maybe set something up on my site so you can vote? If I can't do that or I'm too lazy then you can post your vote here or on the RMB.

vh · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:44:07 PM »

'Yeah, if you could send submissions to me
that wouldn't be exactly anonymous
'I could maybe set something up on my site so you can vote?'
yeah, but only if a person cannot somehow have multiple votes
'If I can't do that or I'm too lazy then you can post your vote here or on the RMB.'
no it should be only here so Dan can check ips for duplicate.

Anyone have any idea on how to post anonymously a link of flag.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:58:20 PM »

This still isn't (entirely) anonymous, but submissions could be sent to one person who could make them an album on imgur.

vh · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2012, 04:59:48 PM »

can you do some comments section on your site and then compile the album?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2012, 05:17:23 PM »

No cause I cannot into comments. Besides how would I be able to tell if someone just put some nickname or whatever.

vh · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2012, 05:24:16 PM »

you don't need to know. thats only the submission process. the actual voting will take place on this or another thread.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2012, 05:33:48 PM »

Oh like have them submit a link (anonymously?)

I could do that... if Yqt would tell me how ezSQL works. I'll try to set it up.

vh · « **Reply #27 on:** June 13, 2012, 05:35:02 PM »

yes we nid anonymous submission for links because without it there might be a bias and people might vote on who designed the flag vs which one is actually better.

vh · « **Reply #28 on:** June 13, 2012, 07:22:44 PM »

also can we extend this to 10 days instead of 5 so deadlike 6/23/2012 utc 0000 whatever.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 13, 2012, 07:25:58 PM »

idk why we need that much time...