Author Topic: Kollaborative Konlang Projekt (Kolkon) (Read 29975 times)

atomic7732 · « **on:** April 30, 2012, 11:19:43 AM »

I was thinking for a while that we as a forum should work together to create our ideal language. A language where everything is 100% defined, easy to learn, and easy to comprehend. THIS IS NOT ENGLISH!

Now that that is out of the way... For the first step we should work on word structure and spelling rules. Basically at this point, just suggest several rules and we'll go from there. Quote and "second" people's ideas and if it's more or less de facto accepted it'll be set in stone in this post or the next one. If you seriously disagree on a rule, just quote and mention it and explain why you don't think the language should incorporate that idea.

Same goes with language name, just suggest ideas or show your support for "Kolkon".

For ease of looking though the main points of the topic, please bold the key phrase(s) which are your main point(s) of your idea/suggestion

I'm here to moderate, compile ideas and their "strength" of support, and suggest my own ideas.

Participants:
atomic7732
Bla
matty406
mudkipz
Naru523
Darvince

Word Structure/Spelling rules
Alphabet

de facto alphabet: aÃ¥Ã¦deэfфghiιklnoÃ¸prsuvxyzж
[20120502 03:17 UTC] Notes: There will be no b, c, j, m, q, t, or w.
[20120508 22:19 UTC] Notes: The addition of ι, ж, э, ф, Ã†, Ã˜, and Ã….

atomic7732 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:19:49 AM »

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Bla · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:21:51 AM »

Quote from: atomic7732 on April 30, 2012, 11:19:43 AM

Participants:
atomic7732
Bla

Hmm.

Oh, and feel free to get inspiration from Blaxian. That was my idea to make a new planned, ideal language.
http://bla.wikia.com/wiki/Blaxian

matty406 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:27:33 AM »

well how should it sound? Aggressive, soft, smooth, or completely alien?
Also sites;
http://www.zompist.com/kit.html - this seems to be the most comprehensive.
http://www.omniglot.com/links/conlangs.htm

I personally think it should avoid anything sharp, because the accent I've grown up with is pretty 'squishy' it's not got many sharp features except from some glottal stops. (this sounds too demanding I am sorry. :I)

atomic7732 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:31:28 AM »

Sound? As in speaking? We probably shouldn't worry so much about that.

If you kind of mean like... the letters in the word... consonants to vowel ratio. I was thinking, FILL IT WITH CONSONANTS.

Particularly k, v, z, and f.

Quote from: matty406 on April 30, 2012, 11:27:33 AM

this sounds too demanding I am sorry. :I

We're working together. It's fine.

Bla · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:44:22 AM »

I tink ve soud sertanly make very very sarp vords!!! Tey ar mus eeseer to pronauns!

atomic7732 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2012, 11:46:56 AM »

Quote from: Bla on April 30, 2012, 11:44:22 AM

I tink ve soud sertanly make very very sarp vords!!! Tey ar mus eeseer to pronauns!

Agreed.

Also, on the case of setting up the alphabet in Latin characters. I think we should abolish the letter c for 100% sure. On a personal complaint that the letter b sucks, I also suggest we get rid of it too.

Bla · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2012, 12:02:18 PM »

Yush! And get rid of W, Q,

* Bla was instashot by Atomic

atomic7732 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2012, 12:04:56 PM »

W can go, keep q!

Bla · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2012, 12:07:15 PM »

But...

Q is just ku or "kyu"/"kyou" if you want.

Must not into mixed lettars.

atomic7732 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:57:06 PM »

Other opinions? Agreements? Disagreements?

So far
- get rid of c | appears to be consensus
- get rid of b | more opinions required
- get rid of w | consensus so far? more opinions ideal
- get rid of q | needs more opinions

vh · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:02:17 PM »

i don't like getting rid of 'w'

how would you way 'welcome", or 'whale'?

atomic7732 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:15:51 PM »

I don't think you get the concept of this project, maybe I wasn't too clear in the topic as opposed to in the IRC. I do not into long blocks of text being fluent and orderly. Anyway, we're creating an entirely new language, a constructed language (hence conlang/konlang).

Because English is stupid. Why would we need to say "welcome".

vh · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:20:45 PM »

kol.

ok i suggest we take out letters

b
c
m
r
s
t
w

they're all to round

Naru523 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 30, 2012, 03:27:08 PM »

i shall volunteer

Darvince · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2012, 04:07:06 PM »

kill c, j

and keep w, it's very kute

atomic7732 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2012, 08:14:27 PM »

Quote from: mudkipz on April 30, 2012, 03:20:45 PM

ok i suggest we take out letters: m, r, s, t

they're all to round

m is agreeable here.

Quote from: Darvince on April 30, 2012, 04:07:06 PM

kill j

Nah, j is legit.

I'm thinking we can use j for the normal j sound and g for the only sound unique to g.

Darvince · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2012, 08:45:49 PM »

>implying j has its own sound

its sounds is dzh

atomic7732 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:03:24 PM »

Quote from: Darvince on April 30, 2012, 08:45:49 PM

>implying j has its own sound

its sounds is dzh

Any other sound could be represented with several characters too.

Darvince · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:15:33 PM »

cool story bro

b can't

Bla · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2012, 10:22:29 PM »

First B, and now M?

*Suspicious looks from Blas and Mikkels*

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atomic7732 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 01, 2012, 06:46:59 AM »

Okay guys, I'm going to try to keep this fast paced, so that we actually get somewhere, so if you need to address anything do it within like 24 hours of the topic starting. I set up a poll here for voting on things. I'm not sure how we should actually determine if the letter gets cut or not...

Darvince · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:00:26 AM »

bery bute btomic7732

atomic7732 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:27:36 PM »

Okay the next step is adding new Latin, Greek, or Cyrillic characters, this includes accents and other such things along with the sound represented (which will be discussed further later).

I would like to append a character representing Tripian "ii" /eye-eh/ (/aɪ ɛ/), because I really don't think we should have double letters making unique sounds (unless someone disagrees). the character to represent could possibly be ι (Greek iota), and I think the reason to add it is just a variety of sounds and personal desire for a part of Tripian.

vh · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:29:24 PM »

nids more krylik alfabet

atomic7732 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2012, 08:32:25 PM »

I suppose that's close enough to the Latin and Greek scripts.

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Darvince · « **Reply #28 on:** May 02, 2012, 07:52:03 AM »

Kolnop.

ShoeUnited · « **Reply #29 on:** May 02, 2012, 09:49:57 AM »

As it so happens, I was without internet for a couple of days in February. I got bored and decided to make my own structured language. I never finished, but this may give some ideas to what you can do. You'll need something that can view OpenOffice files, of course. If the files lack some of the structure rules I defined, I'll edit and add them here. I never finished it (just merely killing time), but as you see a language take shape you keep thinking of more ways and rules that need editing and amendments.