Welcome, Guest

Author Topic: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism  (Read 4565 times)

phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« on: April 17, 2014, 04:36:39 PM »
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/12/04/7_reasons_socialism_will_make_you_poorer_than_capitalism/page/full

"America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to ‘the common good,’ but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way," -Ayn Rand


“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” A man will work much harder to take care of himself, his family and his friends than he will to make money for the state, which will then waste most of it before redistributing it to people who aren't working as hard as the man who earned it in the first place." Adam smith

By the way, here are some excellent quotes directed from that page:

1) “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin

 
2) “The great danger to the consumer is the monopoly — whether private or governmental. His most effective protection is free competition at home and free trade throughout the world. The consumer is protected from being exploited by one seller by the existence of another seller from whom he can buy and who is eager to sell to him. Alternative sources of supply protect the consumer far more effectively than all the Ralph Naders of the world.” — Milton Friedman

3) “Nobody spends somebody else’s money as carefully as he spends his own. Nobody uses somebody else’s resources as carefully as he uses his own. So if you want efficiency and effectiveness, if you want knowledge to be properly utilized, you have to do it through the means of private property.” — Milton Friedman

4) “A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.” — F.A. Hayek

5) “Either immediately or ultimately every dollar of government spending must be raised through a dollar of taxation. Once we look at the matter. In this way, the supposed miracles of government spending will appear in another light.” — Henry Hazlitt


 
6) “The larger the percentage of the national income taken by taxes the greater the deterrent to private production and employment. When the total tax burden grows beyond a bearable size, the problem of devising taxes that will not discourage and disrupt production becomes insoluble.” — Henry Hazlitt

7) “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.” — Robert Heinlein

8) “The prudent capitalist will never adventure his capital… if there exists a state of uncertainty as to whether the government will repeal tomorrow what it has enacted today.” — William Henry Harrison

9) “Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread.” — Thomas Jefferson

10) “A rising tide (in the economy) lifts all boats.” — John Kennedy

11) “The basic idea behind the relationship between tax rates and tax revenues is that changes in tax rates have two effects on revenues: the arithmetic effect and the economic effect. The arithmetic effect is simply that if tax rates are lowered, tax revenues (per dollar of tax base) will be lowered by the amount of the decrease in the rate. The reverse is true for an increase in tax rates. The economic effect, however, recognizes the positive impact that lower tax rates have on work, output, and employment–and thereby the tax base–by providing incentives to increase these activities. Raising tax rates has the opposite economic effect by penalizing participation in the taxed activities. The arithmetic effect always works in the opposite direction from the economic effect. Therefore, when the economic and the arithmetic effects of tax-rate changes are combined, the consequences of the change in tax rates on total tax revenues are no longer quite so obvious.” — Arthur Laffer explains the concept underlying the Laffer Curve

12) “What pays under capitalism is satisfying the common man, the customer. The more people you satisfy, the better for you.” — Ludwig Von Mises

13) “With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have to realize what that implies. It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery. It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses.” — Rand Paul

14) “Don’t knock the rich. When did a poor person ever give you a job?” — Laurence J. Peter

15) “America’s abundance was created not by public sacrifices to ‘the common good,’ but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America’s industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance—and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.” — Ayn Rand

16) “We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much.” — Ronald Reagan

17) “Companies are not charitable enterprises: They hire workers to make profits.” — Paul Samuelson

18) “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” — Adam Smith

19) “Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality.” — Adam Smith

20) “Four things have almost invariably followed the imposition of controls to keep prices below the level they would reach under supply and demand in a free market: (1) increased use of the product or service whose price is controlled, (2) Reduced supply of the same product or service, (3) quality deterioration, (4) black markets.” — Thomas Sowell

21) “Politics offers attractive solutions but economics can offer only trade-offs. For example, when laws are proposed to restrict the height of apartment buildings in a community, politics presents the issue in terms of whether we prefer tall buildings or buildings of a more modest height in our town. Economics asks what you are prepared to trade off in order to keep the height of buildings below some specified level. In places where land costs may equal or even exceed the cost of the apartment buildings themselves, the difference between allowing ten-story buildings to be built and allowing a maximum of five stories may be that rents will be twice as high in the shorter buildings. The question then is not simply whether you prefer shorter buildings but how much do you prefer shorter buildings and what price are you prepared to pay to mandate height restrictions in your community. A doubling of rents and three additional highway fatalities per year? A tripling of rents and six additional highway fatalities per year? Economics cannot answer such questions. It can only make you aware of a need to ask them.” — Thomas Sowell

22) “In a small town, an idiot breaks a shop window. He’s called a vandal, until someone points out that a window installer now must be paid to replace the window. The window installer then will have enough money to buy a new suit. A tailor will then be able to buy a new desk. And so on. The whole town apparently gains from the economic activity generated by the broken window. Of course, if this made sense, cities should hire people to run though town, breaking windows.

But it doesn’t make sense. It’s a fallacy because the circulating money is seen; what is not seen is what would have been done with the money if the window were still whole. The shopkeeper, instead of paying the window installer, might have expanded his business, or bought a new suit or a new desk. The town is worse off because of a broken window.” — John Stossel

23) “A thousand restaurants close every month. They re-open, and that’s good for America. Nobody’s rescuing them. They employ people, too. If we let them go bankrupt, the factories don’t go away, the creative people don’t go away. They get employed more productively by others.” — John Stossel

24) “Suppose I hire you to repair my computer. The job is worth $200 to me and doing the job is worth $200 to you. The transaction will occur because we have a meeting of the mind. Now suppose there’s the imposition of a 30 percent income tax on you. That means you won’t receive $200 but instead $140. You might say the heck with working for me — spending the day with your family is worth more than $140. You might then offer that you’ll do the job if I pay you $285. That way your after-tax earnings will be $200 — what the job was worth to you. There’s a problem. The repair job was worth $200 to me, not $285. So it’s my turn to say the heck with it. This simple example demonstrates that one effect of taxes is that of eliminating transactions, and hence jobs.” — Walter Williams

25) “How many times have we heard ‘free tuition,’ ‘free health care,’ and free you-name-it? If a particular good or service is truly free, we can have as much of it as we want without the sacrifice of other goods or services. Take a ‘free’ library; is it really free? The answer is no. Had the library not been built, that $50 million could have purchased something else. That something else sacrificed is the cost of the library. While users of the library might pay a zero price, zero price and free are not one and the same. So when politicians talk about providing something free, ask them to identify the beneficent Santa Claus or tooth fairy.” — Walter Williams

vh

  • formerly mudkipz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1140
  • "giving heat meaning"
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2014, 04:57:38 PM »
let's start with #1

Quote
“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.” A man will work much harder to take care of himself, his family and his friends than he will to make money for the state, which will then waste most of it before redistributing it to people who aren't working as hard as the man who earned it in the first place." Adam smith

if the state wastes money, then that's the state's problem, not socialism's.

if a man is working to make "money" for the state, then he is also working for himself, because the state provides for him. so why shouldn't he work as hard?

phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2014, 05:07:16 PM »
Quote
if the state wastes money, then that's the state's problem, not socialism's.

Socialism is not an entity, it's how a government is run, I said this before, you can't extract out the form of government from the government itself.  Reality...not theory...not some idea on paper...but when Socialism is implemented by a society, it fails and it fails through and by the power of the Government.

Quote
if a man is working to make "money" for the state, then he is also working for himself, because the state provides for him. so why shouldn't he work as hard?

The state provides a meager living at best.  Why work hard when working hard doesn't advance your situation.  Let me see if you can comprehend it this way since examples of business and how things work out in the world is not getting through.

Why study at an A level on a test when no matter what answers you give, you will get a D.  Does that make any sense to you?  I'm sure you have to understand basic principles of motivation and reward.

vh

  • formerly mudkipz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1140
  • "giving heat meaning"
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2014, 05:10:25 PM »
Quote
Socialism is not an entity, it's how a government is run, I said this before, you can't extract out the form of government from the government itself.  Reality...not theory...not some idea on paper...but when Socialism is implemented by a society, it fails and it fails through and by the power of the Government.
socialism is how a government is run, but it isn't completely inflexible. you can have a wasteful socialist government and an efficient socialist government.

Quote
The state provides a meager living at best.  Why work hard when working hard doesn't advance your situation.  Let me see if you can comprehend it this way since examples of business and how things work out in the world is not getting through.
the state wouldn't provide a meager living. where did you get that idea


phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2014, 05:20:05 PM »
Quote
an efficient socialist government.
  Name one with stats to back it up...the % of money wasted per capita before Socialism and afterwards.  You are not going to find a downward trend.

Quote
the state wouldn't provide a meager living. where did you get that idea

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/cuba

vh

  • formerly mudkipz
  • *****
  • Posts: 1140
  • "giving heat meaning"
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2014, 05:25:48 PM »
Quote
  Name one with stats to back it up...the % of money wasted per capita before Socialism and afterwards.  You are not going to find a downward trend.

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/cuba

any data found would be misleading and useless because socialist countries are not representative of all countries in general. perhaps poorer countries are more likely to become socialist etc.

therefore, it would take an experimental study to show that socialist governments are poorer/less efficient. which is not going to happen.


matty406

  • *****
  • Posts: 82
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2014, 05:29:44 PM »
What's with all the individual threads dedicated to discrediting socialism

phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2014, 05:31:45 PM »
Ok, whatever, just ignore history and the objective facts of the quality of life people in Capitalistic economies have in relation to the opposite in scale.  Capitalism has and will bring more people up the economic ladder, even have the opportunity to do so, than redistributing wealth ever will.

phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2014, 05:34:16 PM »
What's with all the other threads about other subjects that are similar.  How many blacraft and other threads are on here...hundreds?

blotz

  • Formerly 'bong'
  • *****
  • Posts: 813
  • op pls
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2014, 05:43:12 PM »
1 blacraft thread

phinehas

  • Regular sans EE
  • *
  • Posts: 177
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2014, 05:45:44 PM »
Search button says otherwise.

atomic7732

  • Global Moderator
  • *****
  • Posts: 3849
  • caught in the river turning blue
    • Paladin of Storms
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2014, 05:57:00 PM »
How many have been posted in in the past day or two? How many are on the first page of Everything Else?

Darvince

  • *****
  • Posts: 1842
  • 差不多
Re: 7 Reasons Socialism Will Make You Poorer Than Capitalism
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2014, 09:54:37 PM »
he's trying to make april the most active month ever