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Title: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 11, 2009, 04:39:19 PM
Our current plans for the next release of Universe Sandbox:

- The next version of Universe Sandbox will be version 2.
- The expected release date is early 2010. (turns out rewriting the entire interface takes a long time)
- It will be easier to learn and use.

Screenshots of the new UI
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,483.0.html
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,455.0.html
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,1026.0.html

File Format Info
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,670.0.html

Closed Beta Signup
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,833.0.html

Edit: Release date changed from December 2009 to early 2010
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on August 11, 2009, 04:41:58 PM
mid December 2009

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  :'(
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on August 11, 2009, 05:05:28 PM
December! =[ I am sad!

I can't wait though!
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 11, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
I'll release an unfinished, buggy, undocumented alpha version no later than October 1, 2009.

This date has been delayed. See this post for more info:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,832.0.html
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on August 11, 2009, 05:38:27 PM
October 1, 2009

still... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on August 11, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
I'll accept a buggy version! :D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Naru523 on August 11, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Aw. Oh well it's still two months away! (October 14 is my birthdate)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: monmarfori on August 11, 2009, 08:52:33 PM
Dan. NET 4 will release in early 2010.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Bla on August 11, 2009, 10:34:09 PM
Great, the longer we wait, the better it is, and the alpha-thing is always good for the impatient... :)
And the alpha thing solves the problem. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: pagalzone on August 12, 2009, 01:44:19 AM
does current version and upcoming version has option to disable screen saver?
-Mahesh Joshi, Bhopal. India
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 12, 2009, 05:37:42 PM
does current version and upcoming version has option to disable screen saver?
-Mahesh Joshi, Bhopal. India

I've added code to the upcoming version that prevents the Windows screen saver from activating if Universe Sandbox is the focused window. But the current version doesn't automatically disable the screen saver.

In summary...
Current version: No
Upcoming version: Yes

Is this what you mean?

And you're from India. Awesome. Welcome. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on August 12, 2009, 07:41:48 PM
Dan, is it possible to make US not draw anything you are not looking at? Specifically Trails, Hill spheres.

Or maybe not draw if you are zoomed out too far to see the hill sphere. Though not sure how this currently works.

Just performance drops like a rock when I turn hill spheres on.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: pagalzone on August 13, 2009, 03:15:01 AM
thanks for considering screen saver disabling option in upcoming version. actually I was explaining something to my son and the screen saver was interupting in between. this will be a nice inclusion. And, from your "Awasome" response I suppose that you dont interact with lot many indians on this forum.  :D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: monmarfori on August 13, 2009, 02:17:24 PM
I'll release an unfinished, buggy, undocumented alpha version no later than October 1, 2009.
No! that is not good.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 13, 2009, 03:05:14 PM
I'll release an unfinished, buggy, undocumented alpha version no later than October 1, 2009.
No! that is not good.

The alpha version will be accessible via a link that I share in the forums. This version will be separately installed and run from the main public release (the version you have installed now). Universe Sandbox won't automatically upgrade until the final release in December.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: SuperNova on August 24, 2009, 12:48:43 AM
i don't care waiting :D
how longer the wait, how better the update
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on August 24, 2009, 10:06:38 AM
We can all think of it as Dan's Xmas (Holiday) Present to us.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: SuperNova on August 24, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
We can all think of it as Dan's Xmas (Holiday) Present to us.

the best gifd for a US sandbox fan ever :D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on September 01, 2009, 09:22:45 PM
Hey Dan, How will the new UI work? Will it be Rick-Click like the current?

Will it be on the screen?

If so is it possible to remove the UI temporarily?
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 01, 2009, 11:14:38 PM
Hey Dan, How will the new UI work? Will it be Rick-Click like the current?

It's going to be quite different.

New in version 2 is the concept of selection (which is now different from the object the camera is pointed at).

And the right click screen is gone, everything can be done with the left mouse button.


If so is it possible to remove the UI temporarily?

Yes. At the moment I've got the Tab key hooked up to toggle the UI, although I plan to experiment with the UI sliding out of the way when not being used.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: SuperNova on September 02, 2009, 08:18:20 AM
October 1, 2009

still... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!?  :'(
*does stupid* and i what if you would release it now?
*thinks of buggy version* (make's planet, PC crashes)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - My plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on September 02, 2009, 04:14:23 PM

*does stupid*

???
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on September 02, 2009, 04:17:47 PM
Just think as the Buggy version more of a Beta testing.

Can help Dan iron out the bugs.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: monmarfori on September 03, 2009, 01:55:38 AM
So in Sandbox 2 will [you] fix the disappearance of a particle. except galaxies. everytime you save and load. [?]
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 04, 2009, 05:17:04 PM
So in Sandbox 2 will [you] fix the disappearance of a particle. except galaxies. everytime you save and load. [?]

Maybe. I'm not sure if I'm going to have the time necessary to improve the quality of saves by the December deadline. Be assured that this is something I want to fix early next year at the latest and may be part of a full state save feature (which may allow for an undo feature).
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: vaaern on September 25, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
can't wait! but don't believe that I only read this now! :(
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on November 02, 2009, 11:34:51 AM
I really want an option to enable/disable the particles from disappearing in a collision.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on November 04, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
A graph that you can put time on the x axis, and a choice of things on the y.

Like accelereation, velocity, sma, eccentrity, orbital period. Amd then click the bodies you want, or a button to select all.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on November 04, 2009, 08:59:14 PM
I would like you to implement:

Black Hole Collision Wave:
When Black Holes collide, they cause gravity waves to flow outward.
These waves can distort orbits, shapes of objects, the density of objects, or the way light travels!
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: monmarfori on November 05, 2009, 04:27:40 AM
Star loss of galaxies. because the nearest star on a galaxy will flung because it is too fast (over 1000 times)
We will be deimplemented that one in the times of a release.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Bla on November 05, 2009, 09:08:36 AM
Monmarfori, I think the reason why the stars closest to the core is being flung out is because the computer isn't fast enough to calculate the orbit. The only way to prevent it is to slow down the timestep of the simulation. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 05, 2009, 11:32:34 AM
Although this does happen in reality:
http://www.universetoday.com/2005/02/08/this-star-is-leaving-our-galaxy/

In Universe Sandbox it's usually because the time step is too high. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 05, 2009, 11:36:19 AM
I really want an option to enable/disable the particles from disappearing in a collision.

Explain this more please. Are you talking about how they fade out? Or when they crash into a body?
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: FGFG on November 05, 2009, 12:36:39 PM
I think that he meant a tool that allow particles to pass through bodies without disappearing as they do now. (by the way I'm not him :))
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on November 05, 2009, 12:40:33 PM
Explain this more please. Are you talking about how they fade out? Or when they crash into a body?

I am pretty sure I know. I think what Chaotic Cow means is that when an object crashes into another, it starts to fade away until it doesn't exist anymore. I think he wants it so it doesn't go away. I can relate, because I have always wanted that.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: monmarfori on November 05, 2009, 02:25:28 PM
What about custom collisions? ellipticalspiral collision or else.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: atommo999 on November 07, 2009, 06:40:47 AM
it would be cool if you could almost make a dent in the planet if it collides and sometimes merge. it would also be nice if when you made a planet explode, it turned into rocks instead of smaller planets  :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Chaotic Cow on November 07, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
I really want an option to enable/disable the particles from disappearing in a collision.

Explain this more please. Are you talking about how they fade out? Or when they crash into a body?

What Neutron said.

I don't want collision debris to go away. I Like it because sometimes it makes rings but then it goes away.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Bla on November 08, 2009, 02:31:15 AM
I agree with Chaotic Cow, it would be very nice if you could en-/disable the disappearing of particles from collisions. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on November 08, 2009, 11:19:36 AM
My gravity wave idea, is perfect. Much like an approved theory.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: theblackhole on November 13, 2009, 03:19:29 PM
Can you add climet's,relistic planet collisions ,planets bake when to close to star, black holes that acually streatch and eat stars and a function that lets you create the planets image?

those are some ideas for future updates that i would enjoy to have. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on November 13, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
Planets bake when near stars? That wouldn't work because it would mean mercury would be destroyed immediately!
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Naru523 on November 13, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
Inside Mercury's orbit.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Thor667 on December 16, 2009, 08:15:46 AM
Is Universe Sandbox 2 going to be multi-threaded AKA. support for more than 1 core in the CPU?
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on December 18, 2009, 12:37:25 AM
Is Universe Sandbox 2 going to be multi-threaded AKA. support for more than 1 core in the CPU?

While there is some light multi-threading in the current release (loading textures, saving screenshots), the simulation will not have full multi-core support until the release of Microsoft .NET 4.

We are expecting to release Universe Sandbox v2 before the release of .NET 4. Multi-core support will likely be added within a few months of .NET 4's release.

More info on this:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,414.msg2469.html#msg2469
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on December 18, 2009, 10:00:10 AM
How about this built in universe??

Beginning Of The Universe:

Basically, it starts as a big bang and then becomes a universe.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on December 27, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
You need (a) an autosave the overwrites, and (b) an overwrite save feature.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Naru523 on December 27, 2009, 01:56:08 PM
End of the Universe? lol.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Mlbactor73 on January 10, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
Okay, i've been very patient, i cant wait for the new version! But it's 2010!

Dan,

Can you make a more specific date, since we are in early 2010! I would greatly appreaciat this couse nothing has been posted on this thread for over 3 weeks now!
PLEASE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on January 10, 2010, 09:18:23 PM
Yeah, when is early 2010. By the way, I nearly typed 2012 right now.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Bla on January 10, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
The point by early 2010 was not to set a specific date, because it's hard to know exactly when you're finished. Last time he set a specific date, he wasn't sure, and look how many professional games that are released after the original release dates. :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on January 11, 2010, 03:37:52 PM
Yeah I know that. But Scribblenauts came out on time.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: atomic7732 on January 12, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
Wow! So many things to come out in 2010!!!!

Gaudians of gahoole movie, Gran Turismo 5, ModNation Racers, US2!!!
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Naru523 on January 12, 2010, 10:16:12 PM
Yeah because its a starting of a new decade lol. :P
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Mlbactor73 on January 13, 2010, 12:33:19 PM
Thats true. I just would've thought he'd be so close to finishing by now that he would be able to pinpoint a more specific time slot!  :D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on January 13, 2010, 02:50:44 PM
I don't want to be any more specific than early 2010 because I don't want to make a promise I can't keep.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on January 16, 2010, 11:41:23 AM
What is making you delayed, Dan?
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Mlbactor73 on January 17, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
Oh okay, i think we can all respect that Dan! I'll be patient!  :D
And yeah, what is the delay exactly? (Just wondering!)  ;D
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: JoelM935 on February 15, 2010, 06:19:29 AM
Can you estimate the month when it will be released?
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on February 15, 2010, 11:32:21 AM
Can you estimate the month when it will be released?

Not yet, sorry.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: JoelM935 on February 15, 2010, 02:32:47 PM
A good feature for Universe Sandbox 2 would be and option to make a star go supernova and see it's affect on orbiting bodies. Also when stars collide they should go supernova.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: JoelM935 on February 15, 2010, 03:09:35 PM
another cool feature would be a collision mode where planets break apart.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: sean2323 on March 01, 2010, 05:24:11 PM
hmmmm early 2010, its march first, ALRIGHT  ;D best release yet soon to come!  :)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: sammael on March 22, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
Another interesting feature to include is a system to determine the surface temperature and black body temp. You could even use this to determine what "type" of planet it is. (Such as a greenhouse, garden, or ice world)
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on March 22, 2010, 07:15:38 PM
Another interesting feature to include is a system to determine the surface temperature and black body temp. You could even use this to determine what "type" of planet it is. (Such as a greenhouse, garden, or ice world)

That could be good idea, but the textures cannot change.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: sammael on March 22, 2010, 07:36:00 PM
Any reason why not? (I'm not really familiar with programming, so I'm just throwing out ideas) Or if the textures can't change, maybe a way to alter the color slightly? For example a world that falls in the range of garden world would appear slightly more green.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: deoxy99 on March 22, 2010, 07:42:47 PM
Yeah, that is possible, but you have override the colors to change a green world into a black one.
Title: Re: Universe Sandbox 2 - Plans for the next release
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 22, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
...but the textures cannot change.

Anything is possible, it's all about how long it might take to implement.

(It is true that it's not currently easy to change the texture of a body.)

Another interesting feature to include is a system to determine the surface temperature and black body temp.

Yes. This is something we're very interested in implementing, but it won't be in the initial release of v2 as that feature set has been locked.