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Title: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 20, 2009, 05:05:27 PM: I created Eta Carinae and placed a dusk disk around him. Because of its gigantic mass, has Eta Carinae huge outbursts. The matter burst out and then fall back on its surface (the outbursts are about 3-4 times the mass of our sun).

I simulated such an outburst with low esc. velocity. So the mass fall down on Eta Carinae in same seconds. But it shattered the disk and then after time, it formed them into really amazing way.

I made a video and uploaded it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR8Y5rh1f_M&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR8Y5rh1f_M&feature=channel_page)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 20, 2009, 05:08:52 PM: here is a screenshot too:
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4423/universesandbox20090221fl0.th.png) (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=universesandbox20090221fl0.png)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: atomic7732 on February 20, 2009, 05:15:01 PM: Quote from: Andreas on February 20, 2009, 05:05:27 PM
I created Eta Carinae and placed a dusk disk around him.
Him? It's a person? ;D just had to do that.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 20, 2009, 05:29:40 PM: woah
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 20, 2009, 05:41:52 PM: Quote from: NeutronStar on February 20, 2009, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Andreas on February 20, 2009, 05:05:27 PM
I created Eta Carinae and placed a dusk disk around him.
Him? It's a person? ;D just had to do that.

...the word star (in german Stern) is a male term in german language. So in german its treated like a person...
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 21, 2009, 11:14:58 AM: i saw your video it's cool
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Dan Dixon on February 21, 2009, 11:39:52 AM: Yeah. That looks awesome.

Did you use Geosynchronous rings to create the particles in orbit around the star?

And as an aside, I'd really appropriate a link back to this site in the comments for the video so people can know how you made the video.
http://universesandbox.com/
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 21, 2009, 11:50:58 AM: No, thats the weird thing. it was a normal ring 3-5 radius of eta cariane. Then as i simulated the "Burst" the ring "shaked". It was like its pulsing. And then formed that way.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: FGFG on February 21, 2009, 03:03:45 PM: How did you simulate the burst? I can't understant ::) :)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 21, 2009, 03:45:01 PM: very easy, just let the Star explode with low speed, so the mass fall back on it.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: FGFG on February 21, 2009, 04:51:10 PM: ;D no words... :D
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 21, 2009, 05:49:27 PM: wouldn't the star dissapear
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: atomic7732 on February 21, 2009, 07:41:44 PM: Quote from: avadod on February 21, 2009, 05:49:27 PM
wouldn't the star dissapear
no
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Dan Dixon on February 21, 2009, 09:34:48 PM: The "Explode" command in Universe Sandbox breaks a body into multiple bodies. If the explode velocity of these bodies is low enough then the mass of these pieces will pull them back together again.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 22, 2009, 07:54:06 AM: like one of saturn's moons
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 22, 2009, 10:26:14 AM: umm no...

Eta Carinae is a massive star. The most massive known. It has an estimated mass of 100-120 suns.

Because of that mass, it is not very stable. The fusion process in its core is 5.000.000 times more active, then in our sun.
From time to time, Eta Carinae has gigantic "outbursts" of matter. It almost rip the star in pieces, but somehow it always survived till yet.

Removed direct link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/0/0d/EtaCarinae-HST-1995-09.jpg
(Upload images directly to the forum please)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: atomic7732 on February 22, 2009, 12:41:45 PM: There are more massive! VV Cephei and VY Canis MAjoris
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on February 22, 2009, 02:14:14 PM: ha ha ha no. It seems you know nothing about stars at all. VV Cephei has only 24-40 times the mass of the sun.
Canis Majoranis is only 30-40 times the mass of sun. Even put together they don´t have the mass of Eta Carinae.

VV Cephei and Canis Majoranis are just bloated.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 22, 2009, 03:47:17 PM: it looked like it collided with another star
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Dan Dixon on February 22, 2009, 05:09:43 PM: You said to NeutronStar:
Quote from: Andreas on February 22, 2009, 02:14:14 PM
It seems you know nothing about stars at all.

Let's be careful about making sweeping accusations that are untrue. :)

He may have been incorrect about which star is the largest (by mass), but he did name some of the other largest stars (by diameter) known to humanity.

In short... Let's all be nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eta_Carinae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VV_Cephei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VY_Canis_Majoris

(And the next update will have Eta Carinae in the preset list for New Bodies.)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: avadod on February 22, 2009, 05:16:58 PM: your next update is going to be good
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: FGFG on February 23, 2009, 02:50:24 AM: true!

Full of features as never before :)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: atomic7732 on February 23, 2009, 03:35:06 PM: Quote from: avadod on February 22, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
it looked like it collided with another star
yeah, but it didn't. It looked like two stars crashed head on and when they did they each let off a big outburtst of gas.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on March 03, 2009, 10:02:27 PM: Wow. I wonder if 8 stars orbiting eachother :P Scienctists say that they found 7 stars orbiting their selves.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: FGFG on March 04, 2009, 10:03:18 AM: Do you have dates to recreate the system?? It's too interesting :)
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on March 07, 2009, 05:15:43 PM: yes, i´ll post it later
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on March 10, 2009, 08:58:09 PM: You can see these star sizes (not made by me)

This Youtube video (includes Eta Carinae)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FwCMnyWZDg&fmt=22&annotation_id=annotation_208405&feature=iv
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on March 10, 2009, 09:02:35 PM: This picture is VY Canis Majoris sending huge amount of gas to space
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: monmarfori on March 11, 2009, 01:11:53 AM: If Eta Carinae has an outburst what happen
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Andreas on March 11, 2009, 05:51:44 PM: Well an outburst from Eta Carinae is like a regular Flare on our sun. The only difference is, that an eta carinae outburst is as big as an average super nova.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: APODman on March 12, 2009, 07:02:20 AM: Quote from: Andreas

Eta Carinae is a massive star. The most massive known. It has an estimated mass of 100-120 suns.

Recent observations confirmed the Brazilian astronomer's Augusto Daminelli model that proposed that Eta Carinae would be a double star, and no a single star, with apparent total mass among 100 - 120 times the mass of our Sun.

Due to its duplicity Eta Carinae shows spectroscopics eclipses every 5,52 years, what was confirmed by observations done in 2003 and 2008.

Like this Eta Carinae actually would be two stars with masses of 80 and 30 solar masses.

More here:

- http://www.etacarinae.iag.usp.br/
- http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/news-release/releases/2003/03-04.htm
- http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2005/nov/HQ_05353_massive_star.html
- http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsgalaxies/companion_star.html
- http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs?bibcode=2007MNRAS.378..309A&
- http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1538-4357/530/2/L107/995829.text.html
- http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/eta-car.htm

Note: a group of brasilian amateur astronomers develop an homemade spectrograph and can register the spectroscopic eclipse of Eta CArinae in 2003. The data collected by this amteur astronomers are used in the final papaer of the confirmation of the duplicity of the Eta Carinae:

- http://www.astroimagem.com/Espectro/EtaHP01en.htm

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Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: APODman on March 12, 2009, 07:58:14 AM: Quote from: Andreas on February 22, 2009, 02:14:14 PM
ha ha ha no. It seems you know nothing about stars at all. VV Cephei has only 24-40 times the mass of the sun.
Canis Majoranis is only 30-40 times the mass of sun. Even put together they don´t have the mass of Eta Carinae.

VV Cephei and Canis Majoranis are just bloated.

The more massive star in our galaxy is a star in NGC 3603.

It's a star with 116 solar masses orbited by a companion with 89 solar masses .

- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080919142646.htm
- http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.2815

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Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 12, 2009, 10:58:19 AM: Nice Link APOD.
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: monmarfori on March 25, 2009, 03:40:50 AM: its maybe A1. a star in the constellation carina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on April 06, 2009, 10:30:55 AM: No.. The largest is... THE PISTOL STAR! (mass)
It have 200 solar masses!
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: monmarfori on April 06, 2009, 07:38:10 PM: Apod Said that 116 + 84 = 200
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on April 07, 2009, 08:48:44 PM: Quote from: monmarfori on April 06, 2009, 07:38:10 PM
Apod Said that 116 + 84 = 200
It's a binary star system..
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Chaotic Cow on April 07, 2009, 09:04:31 PM: Is the Pistol Star Binary? Do they not call Binaries Stars?
Title: Re: massoutburst of Eta Carinae shatters rings and bring them into bizarr orbit
Post by: Naru523 on April 07, 2009, 09:14:29 PM: ???