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what's your opinion on them? Do you have black friends?
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Not sure if this is a clever ruse to bring out the racists.
On a relevant note, I'm. Not a huge fan of ghetto culture, but I have no problem with black people in specific
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Yes, i have A.A. friends, most of my GTA Online crew (Apache Warriors MC) are black, and although they joke around with eachother calling eachother the n-word, they're generally nice.
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I'm also friends with most of the black people at my school.
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my opinion on black people in the modern era is no different from my opinion of any other race in the modern era: they are unique individuals who have the same options as the other 5.7 billion of us
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>When Lord DC has a cult of black followers worshipping his GTA V pro-ness
Why does our skin color define who we are as people?
Like I always say, it isn't the jar that matters, but the water.
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When they run, they create Electric Magnetic Pulses, that's how i discovered why my camera was burned inside.
#Noracism
#blackpeople4life
In all seriousness, i do like black people..
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Also do you want to meet my green friend ?
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Also do you want to meet my green friend ?
me?
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i like people
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Not sure if this is a clever ruse to bring out the racists.
On a relevant note, I'm. Not a huge fan of ghetto culture, but I have no problem with black people in specific
As you may already know, the hole "ghetto" thing isn't really how we as a people truly are but do to main streaming and copying lots of us seem that way to the world, for ya'see not all of us are like that, but there the most vocal and popular view of us...so yeah diversity :D
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The hole "Nigga" thing while some may say there not the same as the good'ol "Nigger" is a southern version but modern African Americans call each other so but have a totally different meaning ranging from "buddy" to "my best friend" to Stupid l, while I don't really condone the word it's hard to argue why not to use it I'm that manner when I'm sure 99.7% of every English speaking person on good old Gaia say "kid" witch in fact originally meant a young goat so slang and multiple meanings dot dot dot...
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Do you have black friends?
Uh yes sure why wouldn't someone have black friends I mean they're everywhere just like every other "kind" of people and they are just as nice as everyone else so... what is the point of this question?
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I was up for some healthy discussion
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Discussions about any race turn into flame wars and circlejerks, most of the time.
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Because racial exclusion/generalizing
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I am not racist. I tend to view things in a scientific and statistical way. For instance, there is no doubt that blacks commit proportionally more crimes than others. As I said before, the problem is in their culture and their origins. As I said in my other post, they never needed to think in their future. In Africa, it was all about hunting and eating, hunting and eating.... while Europeans had to be wiser. They had to stock food for the winter, use their intelligence to built shelters, sew more clothes to protect themselves.
And evidence for that is that in Africa many still walk around naked and never got much past of a mud or wood hut.
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s/commit/are incarcerated for/
we are all africans, we just may not produce as much melanin as one another
thank you for your time
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this is true for hispanics and natives in america as well. Also that point about black people not being used to Western civilization, the people of North Korea in the nineties were pretty completely convinced that Kim Il Sung was pretty much God, only forty years after the Korean War. Two hundred years is well more than enough time to become accustomed to a new lifestyle, even if you were the lower class up until recently.
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most people of european descent rn have ancestors that were basically peasants 300 years ago
also lumping an entire continent more diverse than Europe into one pile saying they were uncivilized hunter gatherers is pretty fucking ignorant, not scientific
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no you see racist stuff is always science
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we are all africans, we just may not produce as much melanin as one another
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we are all africans, we just may not produce as much melanin as one another
No. Just no. If you really think so, that's kind of dumb. There are very evident differences between races.
White people can have straight or curly hair, brown, yellow, green or blue eyes, have or not have freckles, be blond, redheaded, dark haired, and so on.
Black people are usually the same. They have (with very very few exceptions) brown eyes and curly dark hair and that's it.
Not to mention other characteristics like a wider and flatter nose. There is no way to deny they aren't another human race. It is not just about melamine
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The second part is more representational than all-encompassing, you should be able to understand that.
The 100% true facts part of that is that we all originated from Africa.
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The second part is more representational than all-encompassing, you should be able to understand that.
You can NOT deny that. Unless you've lived in a cave all your life.
The 100% true facts part of that is that we all originated from Africa.
Yes. We continued evolving and they didn't. I know that scientifically speaking we're all evolved, because if we are alive right now is because we are adapted to our ambient. The thing is that people who went to the north changed, and people in Africa pretty much remained the same
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Then why are Polynesians or native South Americans (like Inca, Tehuelche, Airangang, etc) not the most highly evolved? They first adapted to the dry middle East, then seasonal India, then wet China, then frigid Siberia, then frigid Canada, then plains America, then tropical Mexico and Brazil, and finally the plains of Patagonia?
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We continued evolving and they didn't.
Consider the absurdity of this statement and then reread what you wrote:
Blue eyed people continued evolving and green eyed people didn't.
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We continued evolving and they didn't.
Consider the absurdity of this statement and then reread what you wrote:
Blue eyed people continued evolving and green eyed people didn't.
It is kind of a shame you disregarded my post in which I said how it is not just about the melanin, and focused in a small part of my idea that was easier to attack. Anyway, to be honest I am not sure about what I said in that last post about evolution. I'm not quite sure how evolution works. I'm being honest with you there... I can't answer your question about blue and green eyed people. All I wonder is, if black people in Africa have been around longer, why are they in such a worse situation there?
IMHO, it doesn't really matter where humanity has "spawned" in the world, but rather, what different cultures have accomplished. Apes have inhabited this planet for much much longer than any of us, by the way, and we evolved from them (that I know). That doesn't mean that chimps are equal to us.
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I'll give the answer of why they're so much worse off than anyone in the rest of the continents plain and clear: Europeans had a sense that they were the most superior people in the world that started in ancient Greece and lasted until recently, with some vestiges still remaining in people like you.
Because they felt themselves superior to all the other peoples, and also were really good at warfare, decided to go traipsing around the world murdering and subjugating anyone they desired, meanwhile using their superior weapons against each other in such atrocities as the thirty-years war in Germany, or the French Revolution, or World War I. They especially liked to subjugate Africa as, originally, the local kings and queens and other such people in Africa could get loads of money for trading slaves to the European colonies on the ports.
Once the Europeans decided that they were brave enough, and had enough weapons, they rapidly settled the rest of Africa, declared themselves leaders of the entire continent (except Ethiopia), and then, when the African countries began to want freedom, they just dumped their leadership and left, leaving the countries to sort out becoming democratic and the entire process of nation-hood to themselves. Of course, when there was no real organized revolution and idea for the nation after it was established, this lead to vast unchecked corruption and other terrible acts committed by "presidents" who were known to the rest of the world as harsh dictators. Other nations still have very weak governments, so things that we know and enjoy such as healthcare or transportation infrastructure don't exist and can't be created.
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you wanna paragraph that out its literally a block
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let's not forget that the countries were only allowed independence based on european-drawn borders, cause otherwise they'd be infringing on other world powers, which mixed and split up cultures
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I am not racist. I tend to view things in a scientific and statistical way. For instance, there is no doubt that blacks commit proportionally more crimes than others. As I said before, the problem is in their culture and their origins. As I said in my other post, they never needed to think in their future. In Africa, it was all about hunting and eating, hunting and eating.... while Europeans had to be wiser. They had to stock food for the winter, use their intelligence to built shelters, sew more clothes to protect themselves.
And evidence for that is that in Africa many still walk around naked and never got much past of a mud or wood hut.
This is so not accurate
We continued evolving and they didn't.
Consider the absurdity of this statement and then reread what you wrote:
Blue eyed people continued evolving and green eyed people didn't.
It is kind of a shame you disregarded my post in which I said how it is not just about the melanin, and focused in a small part of my idea that was easier to attack. Anyway, to be honest I am not sure about what I said in that last post about evolution. I'm not quite sure how evolution works. I'm being honest with you there... I can't answer your question about blue and green eyed people. All I wonder is, if black people in Africa have been around longer, why are they in such a worse situation there?
IMHO, it doesn't really matter where humanity has "spawned" in the world, but rather, what different cultures have accomplished. Apes have inhabited this planet for much much longer than any of us, by the way, and we evolved from them (that I know). That doesn't mean that chimps are equal to us.
Corruption, hundreds of years of being ruled over , ultimately culminating what we see today...
we are all africans, we just may not produce as much melanin as one another
No. Just no. If you really think so, that's kind of dumb. There are very evident differences between races.
White people can have straight or curly hair, brown, yellow, green or blue eyes, have or not have freckles, be blond, redheaded, dark haired, and so on.
Black people are usually the same. They have (with very very few exceptions) brown eyes and curly dark hair and that's it.
Not to mention other characteristics like a wider and flatter nose. There is no way to deny they aren't another human race. It is not just about melamine
Well there are sources here and there that have some evidence but nothing solid, the funny thing is the earth has shaped us to be what we currently are if you were to take a few native Africans to the north pole and what a few hundred-thousand years they'd over time adapt to the environment thus looking more like that of a European or white person and vice versa
I was up for some healthy discussion
As was I, intellectual conversations are my favorite thing next to star wars lore :D
I'd also like to add that we only make up 13% of the American population that
there's only 5% difference between blacks number of crimes and that of a white persons, it is my hope that generation Y changes this in the years to come, I of course will do my part where ever I can too, I want a world were Huamnity and planet earth is number one priority not trivial bull like race.
Edit by Bla: Multi-posts merged
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Black people are usually the same.
You wouldn't think that if you were black.
"... humans tend to perceive people of other races than themselves to all look alike."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect
Your comments seem to dehumanize people of other races... and once you dehumanize a group of people it becomes easy to justify doing terrible things to them.
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eh if the group of people you associate with has plenty of races (ie for me white, latino/a, black, east asian) then it's not very hard
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I'll give the answer of why they're so much worse off than anyone in the rest of the continents plain and clear: Europeans had a sense that they were the most superior people in the world that started in ancient Greece and lasted until recently, with some vestiges still remaining in people like you.
Because they felt themselves superior to all the other peoples, and also were really good at warfare, decided to go traipsing around the world murdering and subjugating anyone they desired, meanwhile using their superior weapons against each other in such atrocities as the thirty-years war in Germany, or the French Revolution, or World War I. They especially liked to subjugate Africa as, originally, the local kings and queens and other such people in Africa could get loads of money for trading slaves to the European colonies on the ports.
Once the Europeans decided that they were brave enough, and had enough weapons, they rapidly settled the rest of Africa, declared themselves leaders of the entire continent (except Ethiopia), and then, when the African countries began to want freedom, they just dumped their leadership and left, leaving the countries to sort out becoming democratic and the entire process of nation-hood to themselves. Of course, when there was no real organized revolution and idea for the nation after it was established, this lead to vast unchecked corruption and other terrible acts committed by "presidents" who were known to the rest of the world as harsh dictators. Other nations still have very weak governments, so things that we know and enjoy such as healthcare or transportation infrastructure don't exist and can't be created.
You are absolutely precipitated and misinformed. You gotta think big. Why isn't it the other way around? Why didn't Africans invade Europe? It is because they are nice people? Come on. When the Europeans arrived in Africa, there were a number of tribes who hadn't even discovered the wheel yet.
Also, oppression isn't an excuse in this case. Just think of Germany. They lost a goddamn World War. A few years later they got back in shape and did another World War. They lost it again. They lost two goddamn world wars in less than 50 years (not sure if it's exactly 50), but still, they managed to be one of the most developed nations on Earth. This has to be explained. Let's be honest now, do you think that if we replaced all the Germans and put Africans there, do you really think Germany would be a rich country? Come on
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Let's be honest now, do you think that if we replaced all the Germans and put Africans there, do you really think Germany would be a rich country? Come on
Let's be honest now
yes
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Let's be honest now, do you think that if we replaced all the Germans and put Africans there, do you really think Germany would be a rich country? Come on
If they were treated like europeans
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I'll give the answer of why they're so much worse off than anyone in the rest of the continents plain and clear: Europeans had a sense that they were the most superior people in the world that started in ancient Greece and lasted until recently, with some vestiges still remaining in people like you.
Because they felt themselves superior to all the other peoples, and also were really good at warfare, decided to go traipsing around the world murdering and subjugating anyone they desired, meanwhile using their superior weapons against each other in such atrocities as the thirty-years war in Germany, or the French Revolution, or World War I. They especially liked to subjugate Africa as, originally, the local kings and queens and other such people in Africa could get loads of money for trading slaves to the European colonies on the ports.
Once the Europeans decided that they were brave enough, and had enough weapons, they rapidly settled the rest of Africa, declared themselves leaders of the entire continent (except Ethiopia), and then, when the African countries began to want freedom, they just dumped their leadership and left, leaving the countries to sort out becoming democratic and the entire process of nation-hood to themselves. Of course, when there was no real organized revolution and idea for the nation after it was established, this lead to vast unchecked corruption and other terrible acts committed by "presidents" who were known to the rest of the world as harsh dictators. Other nations still have very weak governments, so things that we know and enjoy such as healthcare or transportation infrastructure don't exist and can't be created.
You are absolutely precipitated and misinformed. You gotta think big. Why isn't it the other way around? Why didn't Africans invade Europe? It is because they are nice people? Come on. When the Europeans arrived in Africa, there were a number of tribes who hadn't even discovered the wheel yet.
Also, oppression isn't an excuse in this case. Just think of Germany. They lost a goddamn World War. A few years later they got back in shape and did another World War. They lost it again. They lost two goddamn world wars in less than 50 years (not sure if it's exactly 50), but still, they managed to be one of the most developed nations on Earth. This has to be explained. Let's be honest now, do you think that if we replaced all the Germans and put Africans there, do you really think Germany would be a rich country? Come on
So why is this? because it's blacks en particular? and what Africans are you talking about? there's LOT"S of us all over the place that have very different mind sets , The effect's of being ruled over can have ever lasting effect's on a people, in a way, i could say we were broken and still are to a point, most African civilizations where very much rich in the distant past but lost it all to war and conquest and in actual records the Africans were being friendly they welcomed there the Europeans, there was also a reason they didn't go north into Europe (cant remember)
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Just because there were tribes that hadn't invented the wheel yet doesn't mean the entire continent's invalid, unless you think Europe is invalid because of the Saami people and some other Lapps that were hunter-gatherers.
Also, about that oppression, it's an unfair comparison because Germany was only held under the butts of France and Britain for about 15 years total, and they were still treated as humans, not as renewable resources that are only there for the financial gain and improved lifestyle of the European.
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It is truly naive to think you can simply explain the higher crime rates and other problems simply by some black "culture" being inferior.
First of all, there is no universal black culture. That fact alone makes your argument invalid. Black people just like any other group, have different cultures. Just the same way there's no single white culture. When you begin to say cultures are inferior, and at the same time falsely claim cultures can accurately be substituted with race in your language, your language borders racism and this is why your previous thread was removed after your last reply.
Secondly, your comparisons are nonsensical, because black people everywhere on the planet live under completely different conditions than other groups. In western countries, prejudice and discrimination makes it harder for them to get jobs and leads to marginalization, which we know causes higher crime rates. To say it is simply their culture is not at all scientific. It is to make up a quick explanation for some data you have, just don't go on to say you have any evidence for it.
Another factor is that they've historically been in poverty in e.g. USA - they started out as slaves, ironically brougt to the country by people with the same kind of mindset who now think they are a problem - people who view them as inferior. Sadly statistics show that the American "dream" and other such ideas are nothing else than a few anecdotes, on top of the statistical fact that the majority of the population ends up in the same social stratum they were born in. This is true regardless of race or culture.
Now for comparing Africa to Europe etc., these areas each have different resources, different climates, many forested areas in Africa simply do not have soil that makes them fit for building infrastructure for example. But we certainly have seen examples of civilizations - e.g. Egypt could be mentioned, which built the pyramids, discovered mathematical relations long before Europe and utilized the periodic flooding of the Nile to grow crops.
Also, oppression isn't an excuse in this case. Just think of Germany. They lost a goddamn World War. A few years later they got back in shape and did another World War. They lost it again. They lost two goddamn world wars in less than 50 years (not sure if it's exactly 50), but still, they managed to be one of the most developed nations on Earth. This has to be explained. Let's be honest now, do you think that if we replaced all the Germans and put Africans there, do you really think Germany would be a rich country? Come on
In WW1 Germany's losses were essentially 0 in terms of infrastructure, their losses were soldiers (which the allies felt roughly equally), weaponry (which became more or less replaced with more modern ones between the wars anyway), and of course an enormous amount of money they had to pay, which they couldn't. - They implemented roughly Keynesian economic policies which ended the market's never-ending spiral but at the same time made their debt inflate... a problem they could ignore until WW2 and bigger problems stole people's attention.
The fact that their economic problems had 0 to do with infrastructure, and everything to do with essentially the market and money system breaking down, is a very important difference that makes it a bad comparison to Africa. Europe had taken over and managed Africa's infrastructure. They had developed it only to suit their own needs - so the arbitrary countries they left behind were focused on a few extremely narrow economic areas that European countries needed. And in most cases the exploitation has simply continued unofficially, now just by western corporations rather than states. So many former colonies are locked in a position where their economy relies on a very unstable international market and can't satisfy their own needs. Unlike Germany whose infrastructure wasn't built only to serve some other country's needs.
As for whether replacing Germans with Africans would change anything... To answer that you need to explain what it even implies. For every German, you substitute with an African, with the same education as before, the same job as before, and all other relations being the same... I see no reason why it would be different.
Unless you don't mean to substitute the educations and other things - in which case your comparison is flawed.
Or, unless you think you can make the substitution of people without their ideas. In that case I don't see why you'd speak of cultures being inferior when you evidently mean people and not their ideas.
Tl;dr: I think black people should be treated equally to all other humans. They should all be judged individually and not because they're black. The crime and other problems mentioned will only get worse if we think it is acceptable to consider people inferior because of their biology. If we instead meet people without prejudice, get rid of inheritance and other artifacts of our broken economic system that locks generations into social strata, then the problems can be solved.
Edit: Merged back into the old black people thread excluding some of the latest posts. But please make sure not to break the no racism rules in the future.
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"Reminder that in Africa people were performing successful cesarean sections and brain surgeries as early as 3,000 b.c.e while whites didn’t even think to wash they asses until hundreds of years later but Africa is always portrayed as some type of monolithic land of savages."
http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437
interesting
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No disrespect to any of that but the formatting of that sounds like a really shitty tumblr sjw-esque post
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"Reminder that in Africa people were performing successful cesarean sections and brain surgeries as early as 3,000 b.c.e
Witch Doctor cuts holes in skulls to "release bad spirits" =/= Brain Surgery
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No disrespect to any of that but the formatting of that sounds like a really shitty tumblr sjw-esque post
I don't really get this whole anti-sjw mindset, especially when most of the people labelled as such are completely reasonable, and get labeled "gah those fuckin' social justice warriors messin' up the state of the world" just cause they're on tumblr
Of course it's from tumblr, does that make the statement any less valid? Of course not. It applies perfectly to gabriel.dac's viewpoint, so I thought I'd share.
Witch Doctor cuts holes in skulls to "release bad spirits" =/= Brain Surgery
did you even read the link
" Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean section, anesthesia and tissue cauterization (3). In addition, African cultures preformed surgeries under antiseptic conditions universally when this concept was only emerging in Europe (2)."
Vaccination and skin grafting sound skeptical to me, but it's just a summary paragraph, and I don't know anything about it. Bullet removal also doesn't sound to me like "ancient Africa", but again, it's a summary. It quite possibly could be referring to differen't things I'm unaware of or situations that could have been clarified better.
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So the discussion continues....
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Okay, valid, but the discussion doesn't involve the advancements of the Far or Middle East. It's strictly focused upon Africans being "less advanced" culturally, technologically, whatever, than Europeans.
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Out of curiosity what are your racial backgrounds?
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Out of curiosity what are your racial backgrounds?
I'm (and all of my family network I know of and was genetically affected by) from Denmark (and possibly a bit Germany).
(I'm not intending to equate countries with races here, just figured it'd be more specific)
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Without being one of those people who lists off a bunch of european countries I can reasonably say that I'm a descendant of various western european ethnic groups, and it's very reasonable to assume hispanic + whatever happened in new spain (natives and slaves). Granted, I have a much better traced history in Europe than the New World. :(
All I know on my dad's side is that the name has been taken from some village in Andalusia.
thanks colonialism
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thanks colonialism
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I'm African American without a doubt but my mother and some of her siblings look white/biracial my uncle and grandfather especially he had reddish/brown looking hair his complexion was that a white guys but he was also native American? As well as black but he looked white enough for him to be able to go into "whites" only public areas yeah this was way back.. so what does this make my mother? And her father ?
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Out of curiosity what are your racial backgrounds?
Good question.
I'm brazilian, so I don't have any idea. Judging by the physical aspects of my mother and her family, I suspect that they have some kind of brazilian indigenous OR Asian descent, seen that they all have straight hair, short stature, small feet, no beard in male individuals, small eyes... Its almost certain that they have some african descent too.
From my dad, that is somewhat tall (1,9m), moreno (I'm almost sure that american people would call him "brown" or something, but for brazilian standards he is somewhere "between" white and black), has big feet and curly hair and the surname "Silva" (that originated somewhere in portugal for a random family, spread around here as the surname of almost every freed slave), I guess I got a pretty strong african background. I'm not sure of anything besides that, though.
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I look on YouTube I find out star wars the force awakens teaser trailer is out I have a mini-heart attack I pull my self together watch the holly epicness that is star wars and I look down into the comment sec and I see a sheet storm of racist jerks calling one of the leading cast a "nigger" and other crude and demeaning words. What's wrong with a black stormtrooper? I find this level of ignorance distributing
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If you find it stupidly ignorant ehy dors it bother you so much?
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If you find it stupidly ignorant ehy dors it bother you so much?
It's not really nice to be reminded of the fact that you share planet with racists and that kind of people I guess. There was an age when such views were dominant and as a result people have been oppressed, killed, enslaved, forced to the back of buses, to be segregated on the streets, to not be able to marry someone you love, to be met with prejudice and suspicion wherever you go, to be rejected when trying to find jobs, etc. Many of those problems and remnants of them still exist today and affect a lot of people's lives.
I think such people are far worse and much more dangerous to society than e.g. any brony/anti-brony could ever dream of.
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If you find it stupidly ignorant ehy dors it bother you so much?
I wouldn't say bothers me ,i used a Darth Vader quote "disturbing"
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I think such people are far worse and much more dangerous to society than e.g. any brony/anti-brony could ever dream of.
Uh... wat
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Homophobes, racists, and misogynists can affect and damage society much more than anti-bronies or bronies can. This is because becoming a brony or ceasing to be a brony is extremely easy (read: doesn't impact much of your self image, is possible, and doesn't completely change every aspect of your life) unlike becoming white from being black, becoming straight from being gay, or becoming a man from being a woman. On Wednesday at school, someone said that they've never heard of bronies before.
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I understood that, what I didn't understand is what this had to do with anything.
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You are obsessed with bronies and antibronies opposing each other in a pointless battle of internet wills and who can be a bigger asshole.
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Yes but I didn't mention any such thing in this thread.
Speaking of which Rabid Broniism/Ant-Broniism is quite similar to discriminatory racism as there have been several cases of physical harassment/assault realting to My Little Pony.
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Bla did seemingly bring it up out of nowhere... Unless I missed something?
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Bla did seemingly bring it up out of nowhere... Unless I missed something?
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Bla did seemingly bring it up out of nowhere... Unless I missed something?
I think such people are far worse and much more dangerous to society than e.g. any brony/anti-brony could ever dream of.
Uh... wat
Yes but I didn't mention any such thing in this thread.
I consider people's right to be black, gay, woman, or whatever, a lot more central than people's right not to risk stumbling upon images of ponies when you search for something on Google or argument videos over MLP. I have nothing against bronies, but I think racism is a bigger problem than some movie show, and I just didn't understand how you could make videos about arguments over the show and comments on anti-bronies, and then ask a black person why he cares about racist comments.
The fact that you didn't write it in this thread isn't really relevant, as I suppose your views don't depend on which thread you post in and it was just meant to illustrate that if you can care about anti-bronies it shouldn't be hard to understand the situation with worse things.
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But you brought them into the thread in a way that looks like I stated that racism and anti-broniism are at the same level
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But you brought them into the thread in a way that looks like I stated that racism and anti-broniism are at the same level
I don't see how I did that. I just pointed out that you exactly seem to be very occupied with anti-bronies, but didn't see why others saw racism as a problem. Something that could be the result if you think racism is less of a problem than anti-bronies, and I intended to point out that I think the exact opposite is the case and that if you can be bothered with anti-bronies, it should be easy to see why racists bother people too.
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I know it's the opposite, it's just that racism on the internet is meaningless while racism IRL is a problem.
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I know it's the opposite, it's just that racism on the internet is meaningless while racism IRL is a problem.
I just find that stance hypocritical if you at the same time comment on anti-bronies.
And I don't agree racism on the internet is meaningless, because people on the internet live in the real world and if their opinions spread on the internet or become acceptable, there'll be more racists irl to cause problems irl or they'll meet less opposition.
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I know it's the opposite, it's just that racism on the internet is meaningless while racism IRL is a problem.
I just find that stance hypocritical if you at the same time comment on anti-bronies.
I knew you'd say that :-P
The difference is that racists IRL actively discriminate and devalue the lives of people, while anti-bronies have done as much as deface pony murals and whatnot.
And I don't agree racism on the internet is meaningless, because people on the internet live in the real world
Aren't most webracists 8-12 year old children who know jack shit about what they're talking about?
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True. Hey, should I animate this discussion? It seems worthy of public notice
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/249/a/6/pepsi_mare_by_jetwave-d5drz4a.png)
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I know it's the opposite, it's just that racism on the internet is meaningless while racism IRL is a problem.
I just find that stance hypocritical if you at the same time comment on anti-bronies.
The difference is that racists IRL actively discriminate and devalue the lives of people, while anti-bronies have done as much as deface pony murals and whatnot.
That doesn't make it any less hypocritical. As I was trying to say racism, issues about people having a problem with other people's biological features they walk around with everywhere and can't change, is a bigger problem than a cartoon show... It should be rather obvious for reasons I've already stated in my first reply, is it really necessary to dwell in it further?
And I don't agree racism on the internet is meaningless, because people on the internet live in the real world
Aren't most webracists 8-12 year old children who know jack shit about what they're talking about?
Sorry but asking me if most online racists are 8-12 years old isn't a valid argument that racism on the internet is meaningless. I'd suggest searching to see it's the case, I doubt it is, but at least I can agree with the second half of your sentence.
True. Hey, should I animate this discussion? It seems worthy of public notice
I don't think it's necessary
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>Bla's mental perfection turns me blue with envy
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Eh thanks I guess kol :b
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This thread is ever growing....
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A couple thoughts on privilege:
http://www.boredpanda.com/lesson-about-privilege-awareness/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/09/white-privilege-explained/
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That was enlightening...yet sad
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White people don't fill their cups while POC's don't have cups to fill.
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Speaking of which Rabid Broniism/Ant-Broniism is quite similar to discriminatory racism as there have been several cases of physical harassment/assault realting to My Little Pony.
My post got deleted, I'm assuming for being too mean, but I just have to say that this is a really ignorant post. Comparing anti-brony-ism to racism is like comparing one guy getting shot to a genocide.
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White people don't fill their cups while POC's don't have cups to fill.
no
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Comparing anti-brony-ism to racism is like comparing one guy getting shot to a genocide.
Explain
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You're kidding, right? You're comparing the fact that maybe 2 people have gotten seriously injured for liking My Little Pony to decades of enslavement, and being denied the right to vote and shit? Bronies are not an opressed minority, just like fat people are not opressed, just like special snowflake poly-trans-rabbit or whatever the fuck are not opressed.
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I know that, but it's the same root concept. People are being devalued because of one little thing that doesn't matter.
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what. Please explain to me how people are getting devalued in droves just because they like a show. Please explain to me how people are being treated as lesser human beings because they like a goddamn show.
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Bronies are usually seen as homosexual pedophiles, which, in society, are treated as lesser human beings.
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what
It is a very small minority that thinks that. Comparing anti-brony-ism to racism is legitimately insulting for anyone who has ever been seriously discriminated based on race or ethnicity.
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This thread is big now and I don't have time to read all the messages right now. I'll reply to you in the future, but now I just want to drop this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
I just want to make clear in this post that I do not hate blacks. I don't feel hate. I just can't deny that racial differences do exist. Just take a look at the size of that article.
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You do realize what the article is saying, right?
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the article on 9/11 conspiracies is probably really long too but that doesnt make them all right, or even one of them
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_labour_law Well South African labour law is the most correct thing on Wikipedia, it's an incredibly long article!
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This thread is big now and I don't have time to read all the messages right now. I'll reply to you in the future, but now I just want to drop this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
I just want to make clear in this post that I do not hate blacks. I don't feel hate. I just can't deny that racial differences do exist. Just take a look at the size of that article.
The article is about people who have claimed science supports the view that some races are inferior. That's not the same thing as your claim that they're simply different. I agree there are differencies between people, but not that it makes them inferior.
But if you intended to point out the obvious fact that there are differencies between people - even though it's true, quoting the length of the article is an absolutely nonsensical reason.
I mean, as the others already pointed out, read the article. It has sections about Hegel. It's not like presenting the views of some dim-headed mentally 4-year old philosopher in any way makes racism scientific, there's nothing scientific about Hegel, he basically just sat in an armchair and wrote down an endless obscure and vague flow of words. It doesn't give reasons for viewing races as inferior based simply on the amount of characters used to describe Hegel's clueless worldview. It shouldn't be hard to see how the length of an article about "scientific racism" isn't in itself a good reason to believe in anything.
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I am not racist. I tend to view things in a scientific and statistical way. For instance, there is no doubt that blacks commit proportionally more crimes than others. As I said before, the problem is in their culture and their origins. As I said in my other post, they never needed to think in their future. In Africa, it was all about hunting and eating, hunting and eating.... while Europeans had to be wiser. They had to stock food for the winter, use their intelligence to built shelters, sew more clothes to protect themselves.
And evidence for that is that in Africa many still walk around naked and never got much past of a mud or wood hut.
As do I. Even though I am black. Well half African American and half Mexican. I am a complete and total mish mash of a nerd, and history and science geek, an anime loving otaku, and a highly spiritual and religious person. Knocking stereotypes out with brain power. As a scientific person I learned that race does not define who you are but merely what temperature and climate your ancestors adapted to. Evolution is the origin of race. Scientist all agree the original primitive humans came from northeastern Africa. Where they were primitive hunters and gatherers. In the hot African climate they always had dark skin. Which reflected some of the suns heat and light increasing there heat tolerance. Which is a very useful trait in Africa. They migrated during an ice age which lowered sea levels and allowed access to other continents. Then when the little ice age was finished the sea levels rose and access stranded them where they were. The ones stuck in cold places like Europe and Asia had to adapt and their skin ended up white to reflect little to no heat and light. They would need every bit of it to stay warm. People that stayed in hot places like Africa and Australia remained dark skinned. In addition the advancement in technology had nothing to with race or ways of life but merely luck. People who settled Europe and Asia found a surplus of plants and animals that were easy to tame. Such as chickens, sheep, and wheat. People in North America, Africa, and Australia were unlucky and were unable to find plants and animals that could easily be tamed and farmed. With such bad luck they remained hunters and gatherers for a much longer time.
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This thread is big now and I don't have time to read all the messages right now. I'll reply to you in the future, but now I just want to drop this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
I just want to make clear in this post that I do not hate blacks. I don't feel hate. I just can't deny that racial differences do exist. Just take a look at the size of that article.
The article is about people who have claimed science supports the view that some races are inferior. That's not the same thing as your claim that they're simply different. I agree there are differencies between people, but not that it makes them inferior.
But if you intended to point out the obvious fact that there are differencies between people - even though it's true, quoting the length of the article is an absolutely nonsensical reason.
I mean, as the others already pointed out, read the article. It has sections about Hegel. It's not like presenting the views of some dim-headed mentally 4-year old philosopher in any way makes racism scientific, there's nothing scientific about Hegel, he basically just sat in an armchair and wrote down an endless obscure and vague flow of words. It doesn't give reasons for viewing races as inferior based simply on the amount of characters used to describe Hegel's clueless worldview. It shouldn't be hard to see how the length of an article about "scientific racism" isn't in itself a good reason to believe in anything.
First of all, sorry for not replying to your other messages in this thread. They seem to be well written, but I haven't had the time to read and reply to them.
Anyway, I am really glad to know that you at least understand that people are different. Now regarding your question: "Does it make them inferior?". Well, it depends on what is your concept of superiority. They are human, they have feelings and their happiness aren't worth more than ours. Correct.
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Dude what the guy said was a statement not a qustion.
"I agree there are differencies between people, but not that it makes them inferior."
If someone put used this as a question I would say. The heck do you mean by that? How is that a question?
What he was talking about was "The article is about people who have claimed science supports the view that some races are inferior. That's not the same thing as your claim that they're simply different." He means you should be careful what you post and read through all of the article that you link so that your positive that it is relevant, will make sense, and won't acedently offend anybody.
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Another perspective...
http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/12/1/7313467/chris-rock-interview
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Think of race as species: all animals are different, but are some worth less than others? No, because when a species disappears the whole system falls apart.
A fish isn't less than a bird for swimming, it's suited for what it's best at doing.
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If mosquitos no longer existed no long term negative consequences would happen 0/10 analogy wold not alanogize again
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i agree the analogy is poor
extinction (in the past) has been natural
and comparing race to species to a racist is probably not helpful to your point and racists probably have less concern for the treatment of animals when they dont even consider all humans worthy of the same respect