Universe Sandbox

Universe Sandbox Legacy => Universe Sandbox 2010 Beta | Discussion => Topic started by: Dan Dixon on March 03, 2010, 05:32:26 PM

Title: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 03, 2010, 05:32:26 PM
We're going to move to a fixed price for version 2.
(It will no longer be name your own price.)

While you're a biased group to ask :), I'm curious what you think.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 03, 2010, 05:48:54 PM
$20-30 and equivalent
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 06:33:19 PM
No, it should be 15 dollars.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: MassiveEffect on March 03, 2010, 08:18:57 PM
20$  or
30$ double deal  ;D (one gift copy to a friend)


Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 08:19:45 PM
5 dollars or above, but less than 20 dollars.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 03, 2010, 08:25:50 PM
5 dollars or above, but less than 20 dollars.

For Dan to work that hard for a low price... No...
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
15 dollars is reasonable, not 20!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Naru523 on March 03, 2010, 08:37:13 PM
20-30.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
Why do people keep suggesting 20-30?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 03, 2010, 08:46:39 PM
Idk, maybe it's a good price!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
Its not. What if people don't have money?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 03, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Then they should get a job.  ;D
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 03, 2010, 08:58:55 PM
What if they didn't get an education because of the money? Then, no job.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Naru523 on March 03, 2010, 10:38:28 PM
Summer job.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Bla on March 03, 2010, 11:20:23 PM
It's a good question what it should cost. The more it costs, the less people will buy it. But I guess there's no shipment costs or something like that.
If it costed ten dollars, perhaps 100 would buy it. But if it costed 20 dollars, perhaps only 50 would buy it. Then it would be the same. I don't know where the balance point is.

I can say that I would pay as much as normal computer games cost. Perhaps I would pay 50$, but I wouldn't do that if I didn't know the program.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 04, 2010, 07:50:37 AM
It's a good question what it should cost. The more it costs, the less people will buy it. But I guess there's no shipment costs or something like that.
If it costed ten dollars, perhaps 100 would buy it. But if it costed 20 dollars, perhaps only 50 would buy it. Then it would be the same. I don't know where the balance point is.

I can say that I would pay as much as normal computer games cost. Perhaps I would pay 50$, but I wouldn't do that if I didn't know the program.

maybe dan should find the average money payed, then add a few $.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 04, 2010, 08:03:39 AM
Summer job.
What if you don't have the skill?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 04, 2010, 03:49:25 PM
It's simple to learn. Most likely somone has 30 dollars out there! Take out a bank loan if needed!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 04, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
It's simple to learn. Most likely somone has 30 dollars out there! Take out a bank loan if needed!
What if you can't pay the loan?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 04, 2010, 05:02:45 PM
Dude, you can stop now.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 04, 2010, 05:19:26 PM
It's the vicious circle.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 04, 2010, 07:08:15 PM
20$  or
30$ double deal  ;D (one gift copy to a friend)




This.

Maybe for holidays you can chop the price to like $10
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: mustacheman on March 04, 2010, 07:41:38 PM
I say 15 or 20 bucks.

As for a people getting a job to make money, it's not so easy. Trust me, I know.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 06, 2010, 09:58:01 PM
The average is (by the way, I averaged people's requests if they had two or more, to only min and max if a range): $21.50
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 06, 2010, 09:58:51 PM
20$  or
30$ double deal  ;D (one gift copy to a friend)



Actually, double deal would cost $40.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 06, 2010, 10:06:14 PM
But it's a deal! Not normal cost!

I say 25 dollars for US, then a double pack is 45! You get $5 off!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 06, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
21 dollars and 50 cents is the correct price for this.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: APODman on March 07, 2010, 04:42:14 PM
- The planetarium Starry Night cost $212.46,

- Framsticks ( a biological Evolution simulator ) cost $49 (or $25 for educational license),

- Astrograv ( a simulator much less sophisticated than the Universe Sandbox ) cost $59 !!!

- Gravity 1.3 ( a much less sophisticated simulator than Astrograv ) cost $15,00 !!!!!!!


And here are suggestions that the Universe Sandbox is expected to cost between $20 and $30 ( or less !! ) ?

The Universe Sandbox is a simulator with a unique quality that should not have a price lower than $50, I just think it would be somewhere around $80 !


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Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 07, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
- The planetarium Starry Night cost $212.46,

- Framsticks ( a biological Evolution simulator ) cost $49 (or $25 for educational license),

- Astrograv ( a simulator much less sophisticated than the Universe Sandbox ) cost $59 !!!

- Gravity 1.3 ( a much less sophisticated simulator than Astrograv ) cost $15,00 !!!!!!!


And here are suggestions that the Universe Sandbox is expected to cost between $20 and $30 ( or less !! ) ?

The Universe Sandbox is a simulator with a unique quality that should not have a price lower than $50, I just think it would be somewhere around $80 !


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80 dollars is too much.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 07, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
I would agree with APODman but to be competitive with others - being a little cheaper isn't always bad.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 07, 2010, 05:19:21 PM
I think 15 is enough! ;) ;) ;) You know it is a good price, just look into your mind.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 07, 2010, 07:35:22 PM
50 for Academic
25 for the others

That is what you meant to say.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 07, 2010, 08:16:23 PM
50 for Academic
25 for the others

That is what you meant to say.

This makes sense.

Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: witold on March 08, 2010, 10:18:28 AM
FREE FOR EVERYONE!!!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Bla on March 08, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
FREE FOR EVERYONE!!!
But then Dan won't have any money to continue the development, and then the development will stop. Isn't it better to pay for it?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: witold on March 08, 2010, 11:01:22 AM
Only good option for me is a payment by SMS.

USD is too expensive for me.

1 USD=4 PLN
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: APODman on March 09, 2010, 05:16:37 AM
50 for Academic
25 for the others

That is what you meant to say.

This makes sense.


Less than Astrograv ?

I can agreed with the 25 for Academic / 50 for the others. Nothing less


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Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: witold on March 09, 2010, 07:15:26 AM
5 PLN or less.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
The demand is high and the supply is low with that price. Think about supply and demand.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Bla on March 09, 2010, 08:22:49 AM
There is no supply I guess. People can just download the program on the website and activate it when they've entered the license.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
If the price is zero, the supply would be zero, and the demand would be infinite.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 09, 2010, 06:53:40 PM
It's a good question what it should cost. The more it costs, the less people will buy it.

Bla's got it. This is the key issue.

If it's priced at $10 we'd have to sell 4 times the number of copies to make the same amount of money if it was priced at $40. (considering the cost of bandwidth and payment transaction fees it might be more like 4.2-4.5 instead of 4)

We have decided that it will be a single price for everyone (individual uses and educational customers) and that there will be discounts for buying packs of 10 or more.

As a side note on costs:
Paypal & Google both take $0.30+3% so if someone buys for less than $0.30 we get nothing and a purchase for $1 results in ~ $0.65 income.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 09, 2010, 07:04:48 PM
This is why $20 fits.

It is right in the middle.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 09, 2010, 07:07:32 PM
$10 and $40 were just examples.

And the middle of $10 and $40 is $25 = ((40-10)/2)+10

:)
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 07:15:07 PM
25 dollars is fine. ;)
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: mustacheman on March 09, 2010, 07:55:04 PM
Yeah, about 20-25 dollars should be good.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:07:39 PM
How do you determine the middle of 20-25 dollars?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 09, 2010, 08:10:03 PM
22.50?

(ab)/b

kind of

You take all your numbers you want to average and divide it by as many as you have

So a = numbers, n = amount of them

so,

(20+25)/2

There are 2 numbers, and they are 20 and 25.

20+25 = 45

45/2 is ... i guess 22.5
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:10:41 PM
Yes. My dad told me the answer.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:11:40 PM
$22.50 is the middle of the set 20 - 25, which are the prices close to 25, which is the middle of the set 10 - 40.
$22.50 is the ideal price.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 09, 2010, 08:13:37 PM
My confirmed price I say is 30 dollars!

And a $55 dollar double set!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
The price is the average of yours and mine.
The average is: $26.25
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
$26.25 would have an approximately equal demand.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 09, 2010, 09:08:36 PM
Yes, but nothing is always equal, if we go by the rules that twice the price less gives 1.5 more people and $30 gives 500 buyers, then we should be able to have a maximum of...

Well this will not work... Since... We cannot know the rate of people! It may be n^n.this would thus yeild...

No... I am not sure, but it may have to do with x to the xth root, e, i, phi, and/or pi! I assume e and i may be involved.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: witold on March 09, 2010, 10:25:09 PM
US will cheaper :) if we Dan will start commercials in web. Like facebook, Myspace etc.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 09, 2010, 10:53:54 PM
He could even advertise it on TV ads, when he has the money.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 10, 2010, 01:51:29 AM
22.50

Right. For some reason I was doing it the hard way.

(20+25)/2 = 45/2 = 22.5
or
(25-20)/2 + 20 = 5/2 + 20 = 22.5
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 10, 2010, 05:35:13 AM
Thanks Dan for outsmarting me. D: lol
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: JoelM935 on March 14, 2010, 01:32:23 PM
I think the price should be the original recommended price(25USD or 13.5GBP) - what you paid for Universe Sandbox 1. And if you paid $25 or £13.5 it should be around $10 or £5.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 14, 2010, 01:42:01 PM
22.50

Right. For some reason I was doing it the hard way.

(20+25)/2 = 45/2 = 22.5
or
(25-20)/2 + 20 = 5/2 + 20 = 22.5
I didn't know it had to do with averaging.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 15, 2010, 09:38:40 PM
Universe Sandbox 2 will cost $29.

Details on the new pricing is here:
http://universesandbox.com/buy/

Upgrade pricing still to be determined.

Please let me know if you have any questions.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 15, 2010, 09:44:32 PM
May 1st? I thought you said you weren't going to make a day for it to come out!

Edit: And what is with the $29? That's kind of random!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 15, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
$30 is no fair! It's too much for me! I am never ever going to buy this...you made me hate it!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Bla on March 15, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
Since you already paid for it, you will get it cheaper. :)
And remember how much normal games cost. I'd say this program is on the level of professional games.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 16, 2010, 08:32:45 AM
Since you already paid for it, you will get it cheaper. :)
And remember how much normal games cost. I'd say this program is on the level of professional games.

Ya, I really think this game isn't worth $30, and I'm not trying to give any ideas, but US is probably worth a good $60 or $70, based on other simulator's prices that are similar.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 16, 2010, 02:09:01 PM
After much debate we're feeling pretty good about $29.

This makes it affordable for more people.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 16, 2010, 02:48:41 PM
For more? It's for less people!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 16, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
I think Dan means compared to most games!

PS2: 49.99
PS3: 59.99
Sims 3: 69.99
Most computer games: 49.99
XBox 360: 59.99
Most science simulators that are good and work: $50-200
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 17, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
Most computer games are 19.99!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 17, 2010, 11:14:34 AM
Computer games are all different prices:
http://www.amazon.com/PC-Games/b/ref=sw_six_hp_hed_games?ie=UTF8&node=229575&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=06JFWPX9RWQNR0R0ESAK&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1245820022&pf_rd_i=229534
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 17, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
Most computer games are 19.99!

You are crazy! Spore and Zoo tycoon and rollercoaster tycoon were 49.99!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 17, 2010, 06:21:50 PM
Whoa! Sims 3 is way cheaper then i was the day it came out!
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 18, 2010, 12:49:00 AM
You are crazy!

Perhaps it's just wishful optimism. Please be sensitive.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 18, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
Are you sure it's not pessimism?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: atomic7732 on March 18, 2010, 11:07:20 AM
You are crazy!

Perhaps it's just wishful optimism. Please be sensitive.

It's not to be mean.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 18, 2010, 11:14:43 AM
At Walmart, lots of games, excluding Spore and those games, cost 19.99.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: bessy on March 19, 2010, 05:53:11 PM
i say if the program is going to be upgraded and refined with new features after release

id happly pay £50 for it i mean most of my games cost that much from the shop so... its what i would expect it to cost

PS i don't know the exchange rates atm so can't change in to $ for you
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 19, 2010, 06:08:41 PM
That would be 67.68 USD, and that is too much.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 20, 2010, 11:57:33 AM
WAY TOO MUCH.

Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 20, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
No, WAY WAY WAY WAY TOO MUCH.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 21, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
Not that I'm sayings it's not worth that much.

Just a lot of teens and younger people get turned off by high prices.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Naru523 on March 21, 2010, 12:44:45 PM
I actually can buy it... I think. I have 50 bucks right now LOL.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: APODman on March 22, 2010, 12:05:31 PM
After much debate we're feeling pretty good about $29.

This makes it affordable for more people.

Good and just price.

Some discount for educational license ?


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Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 22, 2010, 02:40:33 PM
After much debate we're feeling pretty good about $29.

Some discount for educational license ?

The single copy price is the same for everyone.

Discounts start when you buy 10 copies or more.

You can see the pricing chart here:
http://universesandbox.com/buy/
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Naru523 on March 22, 2010, 03:53:06 PM
Wait, US2 is coming out in May 1st?
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 22, 2010, 06:24:03 PM
Wait, US2 is coming out in May 1st?

Yep! We've announced the date.
Title: Re: What should Universe Sandbox 2 cost?
Post by: deoxy99 on March 22, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Well done, Dan Dixon. You have surely made an improvement in this simulator, as well as some errors, but you have made a good program.