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wait we have to post
because puppet accounts
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right
i vote for 2
stucked
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Two, because.... well why not.
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one
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I vote for 1 star only
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count the tallies
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god damnit guinevere
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Voting for 1 star.
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lmao
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well 1 star already won so
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Well I voted for one star
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we need a post in the topic
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i vote for no stars. universalis is the star.
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While binary systems are cool, how would a binary system affect planet's climates?
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I personally don't really want a second solar system.
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3 is better than 2.
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WAIT I VOTE 0
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i think it's going to be 1 star anyways, no use arguing over it fiah.
if i could change mine i'd change it to 0
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1. One star
2. Binary
3. Trinary
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1. zero
2. three
3. two
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1. 0 stars
2. 76482 stars
3. 32178 stars
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1. 0
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1: One star
2: Two stars
3: Three stars
I'm open to having another star that's less than a light-year away, but where do we define the barrier between one and two stars in the poll? Two stars is simply when they orbit a common center of mass? The first thing I imagined when I read two stars were two stars within the orbit of the planet orbiting their common center of mass. If the other star is much further out than the planets as in several 100 AU and the two stars orbit their common center of mass... I think I'd still call the planetary system itself a one star system, because the planets orbit one star and remain relatively unaffected by the second one.
Also could someone explain how they imagine the zero-star system to work with our habitable planet Universalis? If Universalis is a star, I doubt it'll be very inhabitable.
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that was naru
i was thinking maybe we like provided our own heat, or had a brown dwarf dorf at the center under a metallic core:
Darvink, the A type star flickered. All around Universalis, fingers and paws alike pointed upwards. Then it exploded. In seconds, a force field of energy was raised, protecting and collecting at the same time. Thousands of years later, the blue light surrounding Universalis faded, leaving Universalis with no Star. The smartests scientists from all around the world gathered, planning how to deal with this problem. Finally, Dan Dixon thought of an idea: Mine out our core and place and artificial heat source inside. Universalis was so advance, they did. One it was stable in millions of years, they contacted Magrathea, and had them fix up their handy work. All was well, in an self-supporting world, floating around space time.
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make the picture jpeg man
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ok mommies you are convincing me I am of corrupt
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ok mommies you are convincing me I am of corrupt
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Darvince has stated in the IRC that he thinks we need to make an infinite number of polls in order to determine whether another poll is official, and because he doesn't consider this poll official he's voting simply to corrupt the poll.
I think we should ignore his vote for this reason.
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official vote:
one
two
zero
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you have failed me King Kalassak
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voting thingamabob
1. one
2. two
3. zero
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cool or what
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Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be one or none, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?
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1. K0-K4
2. G5-G9
3. Y
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1. M0-M4
2. G5-G9
3. K0-K4
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K0-K4
K5-K9
M0-M4
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1. G0-G4
2. G5-G9
3. K0-K4
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1. Y
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1: K0-K4
2: K5-K9
3: G5-G9
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do u want me to change my vote to Y
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do u want me to change my vote to Y
yes pls
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1. G5-G9
2. G0-G4
3. F6-F9
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One thing I would like to point out is the fact that different spectral types provide for different plant colors, because the light that the different types of stars give off if is different colors, therefore the landscape will also be different colored.
Take for example a K0 star. The peak frequency of a star that type would be green, meaning the pigments absorb green colored lights, so the plants would likely be fuschia.
Another problem with smaller stars is tidal locking. Stars in the M class and below would almost certainly be tidal locked due to their proximity to the host star (the habitable zone is so close in) so only half of the planet gets sunlight.
now if we broke lorentz symmetry, i bet we could modify the laws of the universe so that tidal locking wouldn't work. Maybe on large scales, gravity works differently depending on items' rotational orientation, such that the planet would keep orbiting unaffected
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<Fi8hOwl>but not for our main star since we have one
<Fi8hOwl>i don't want universalis to have a y star
<smjjames>Bit shorter lifespan, but not too short. sentient species evolved in 4.5 billion years on Earth, so it could easily happen around an F type star
<Fi8hOwl>but i want a y star close by
<osmotischen>O star is best
<smjjames>A Y type star is a really faint brown dwarf.
<osmotischen>yes
<osmotischen>glorious
<osmotischen>i mean
<osmotischen>we could even get so close as to be touching the surface of the star
<osmotischen>that would be nice
<Fi8hOwl>why not
<Fi8hOwl>live on the star
<Fi8hOwl>we can be species of flying birds
<Fi8hOwl>the usf map would have to be redone but that's ok
<smjjames>The talk about the brown dwarf thing reminds me of a Sci Fi book I once read about a colony on a planet around a brown dwarf, probably not a Y class though
<smjjames>@ Fiah because gravity.
<matty406>http://i.imgur.com/bopfnPd.png
<osmotischen>wait
<smjjames>Or maybe it was a cool red dwarf, I forget.
<osmotischen>universalis is hollow
<osmotischen>at the core is a small star
<Fi8hOwl>yes
<smjjames>No it isn't
<osmotischen>WE ARE HEATED FROM WITHIN
<osmotischen>BEHOLD
<Fi8hOwl>YES
<Fi8hOwl>what if
<Fi8hOwl>universalis is just the crust
<Fi8hOwl>and if we did below the mantle
<Fi8hOwl>the pressure built up will go supernova
<Fi8hOwl>an ultimate nuke
<Fi8hOwl>or no
<smjjames>If you want to go all 'Journey to the Center of the Earth' fine.
<Fi8hOwl>it just flow out of the hole
<Fi8hOwl>smjjames do you even understand we're joking around
<osmotischen>what
<osmotischen>we're joking?
<osmotischen>i'm not
<smjjames>Mostly, and I;m not sure how serious you are.
<Fi8hOwl>. . . shit
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are we going to vote on whether we're modifying universal laws now
well why not
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are we going to vote on whether we're modifying universal laws now
well why not
I'd say no to that.
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well why not
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One thing I would like to point out is the fact that different spectral types provide for different plant colors, because the light that the different types of stars give off if is different colors, therefore the landscape will also be different colored.
Take for example a K0 star. The peak frequency of a star that type would be green, meaning the pigments absorb green colored lights, so the plants would likely be fuschia.
Another problem with smaller stars is tidal locking. Stars in the M class and below would almost certainly be tidal locked due to their proximity to the host star (the habitable zone is so close in) so only half of the planet gets sunlight.
A K0 star should have a surface temperatur of about 5200K, which would give it a peak wavelength of 560 nm, but The Sun has a surface temp of about 5778K, and has a peak wavelength of 502 nm. But the chlorophyll which makes plants' leaves green absorbs little light at that wavelength. So the surface temperature shouldn't force our plants to be fuchsia.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Chlorophyll_ab_spectra-en.svg)
The atmosphere of the planet could distort the peak wavelength of the star to a degree as well.
And definitely voting no to modifying universal laws. And no invisible pink unicorns too please.
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1: K2 and K3
2: K0 and K1
3: K4 and K5
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mfw i can't even change my vote
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G6 and G7
G8 and G9
K0 and K1
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yay we have less than 18 hours to decide on the future in years
and people like tuto, swonx, and hellpotatoe, with places on the map, never got to vot either
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two days ago is pretty active, but he doesn't have to check every day like us. does it mean just because he has to do something that he can't vote on the future of universalis?
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i heard naru doesn't check every day. 10 people without tuto, ok 1 person with? but you list 4 people?
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No, yes, idk, what's "one person with tuto" mean, don't get it.
hissy fits don't have to do with anything, it's the outcome. unless you'd like it if one day you were sick and we decided to give universalis 200 moons.
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Make some rules on for example 50% of people with a nation on the map having to vote for something for it to be decided or something like that, or a minimum poll time, like 3 or 7 days. And using a Google document like we did previously could make it easier for people to change their votes and keep track on what has been decided.
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How are you going to address minimum poll time, or who has to vote?
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That's really rapid... why are we excluding people? Are we that impatient?
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K0K1
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1. 406
2. 1001
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Hey i going to vote today! It ends on the 31 not the beginning. Why would you flip a coin why cant you just vote? Yes it takes longer but some people might haveb prefences.
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good. now just wait 1 more day to see if tut will respond. i pm'd him
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Eww binary and triple star systems nooooooooooo
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Please do not vote absurd numbers you don't want to incite a discussion to compromise, please vote what you actually want. If 22 happens to win, I would fully support having 22 planets, but I would not support any less.
(aka if you really want 22, cool vote for it!)
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what the hell is 22 for
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fiah wants to compromise and get 15 planets so he convinced everyone to vote for 22 plant
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Actually...I was the first to recommend a 22 planet thing. Ask yqt and atomic if you don't believe me.
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22 is only half as good as blabla44
i vote 44~
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Actually...I was the first to recommend a 22 planet thing. Ask yqt and atomic if you don't believe me.
Fiah was going to use it though
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so 9 planets had 4 votes and 22 planets had 4 votes
second: 9 planets has 3 seconds
22 planets has none
so 9 planets right
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Let's go with one star. I don't want a freaking binary star system.
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i got us3 >:D
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I think everyone in everything else does except maybe naru and yqt.
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yes
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wait naru did too but yqt didn't
he wants to keep is 0 streak
and bla didn't either
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I have the Ubox 2 alpha.
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Did you guys know that Alpha Centauri B is in fact, a K1 V star? :D I knew it was a K type, but didn't really know the luminosity.
I'm going to use Alpha Centauri B and some of the 'anchor' stars for the classifications, 70 Ophiuchi A (K0V), Epsilon Eridani (K2V), and 107 Piscium (K1V) to make the accurate star.
Edit: Cool, Ubox2 alpha has most of these stars, except maybe 107 piscium.
Edit: nvm, found it.
Edit: Urf, the star dissapeared on me while editing. Also Fiah meant the first Ubox2, not the alpha.
(http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/470923637974835458/EB8D47539D931F46AC068084C535A2B010D41699/)
(http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/470923637974718037/D3E2CFD5834FFC2D6240F78A2A46F9D12ACE96AE/)
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more info
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<Kalassak> i wonder if you could solve that the earth orbits the sun by using only lunar phases (and maybe angular diameter/libration)
<Kalassak> hmmm
<Kalassak> no but it appears the discovery of inferior planets having phases does prove heliocentrism
<Kalassak> we should have a planet inferior of universalis
<Kalassak> that is pretty much as close as possible
<Kalassak> to make (some) phases visible to the naked eye
<Kalassak> and have a great middle ages battle over helio and geocentrism
<Kalassak> until telescopes were developed
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in universalis physics gravity is actually proportional to N(earthmass,1e20kg)/d^2
geocentrism is more than a false myth
it is real.
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well a Y star is about 200 to 300 C at the surface which is pretty cool....pun intended.
also we wouldn't have to bother rotating because our year would be as long as a day, and revolution would cause a day-night effect. So tidal locking isn't a problem
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So I'm just going to flat out say it right now; I think maybe we should think deeper about star spectral type. If we sfick with our K class star our years would be only ~230 days long compared to Earth's which I think is. . . Short. (Unless someone can convince me otherwise).
Here's what I want to ask everyone: why a K star instead of a G2, an F9, or an M7 for the sake of example. Are there any benefits or reasons to go with a K star?
longer life
shorter year would be pretty interesting, quick seasons
smaller solar sytem, closer planets (i'm not sure on the math, but it might make it easier to travel around the solar system?)
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well good we have different types of habitats
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Actually only Uranus receives the majority of it's heat from the sun, the other gas giants generate enough of their own heat that it's more than what they receive from the sun.
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NOT BLOTZ BLOTZ WANTS G6
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why are we changing things
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Because refreshemnting.
Idea renovation.
Excitement.
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I can accept switching to G7 or G8. I'd like to know more precisely how tall the tides could get on Muniversalis before voting for it.
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[21:33] <a187> A day 310.2381 seconds long, at an orbit of .879 AU. To sustain a surface temperature of that like Earth, we would need 118% of Earth's greenhouse gas warming.
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saunvare
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new canon pls
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this is cannon
(http://i.imgur.com/a4lZi2L.jpg)
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what's wrong with it?
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it is very canon
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also the outer planets are similarish to our solar system
pls remove manydistant but dont remove of septuhn it's cute
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because Manymoon and probably weird stuff going on
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idk I just think it should be more of a community thing instead of 2-3 people determining everything
it probably should be but no one is doing anything
also manydistant is cute we need a white ice giant :(
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but then that means it's a really big europa
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http://i.imgur.com/a4lZi2L.jpg
I think this looks too similar to our solar system - like Juptur, Septuhn, Octane and Manydistant are too similar to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.
I'm not very fond of the names, but I'm not sure which are serious proposals and which are just temporary.
I don't think we should copy the -versalis everywhere, so I'd not call our star Solarversalis. I'm fine with having some inner lava rocky planets, that seems interesting. I wouldn't call a planet Vulcan, it was already the name of a hypothetical planet in our solar system. I'd also avoid Juptur and possibly Septuhn because they seem similar to Jupiter and Saturn, and Octane because it's the name of a molecule and I just don't really think it's a good name for a planet.
I'm not really coming up with new ideas for the solar system because I'm not really interested in designing it all atm, but I don't really know when I would so I guess I'll just comment on your proposals sometimes.
A question though is if we'll have common names for planets, or if every language will have their own words for the planets, in which case I'm not sure it makes sense to speak of official planet names. If -versalis gets dropped in everywhere and I end up disagreeing a lot with the names I might just give them Blaxian names for Blaist Blaland. The planet names I came up with for my original solar system in 2009 before Universalis:
Star: Pola
Kronaxo: Lava world
Ziva: Earth-like with life (but not civilizations)
Noxium: Earth-like, comparable to universalis
Uxnua: Gas giant similar to Uranus
Klanaxon: Red gas giant similar to Jupiter, 4 times as massive and with thin rings
Ixnaix: Gas giant similar to Neptune
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i.e. saunaversalis has mutated to saunave
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saunver!
My idea was to have a set of names (whether the ones we have now are this or not idk, but probably not) which we all just used to colloquially refer to them, and then each person probably called each planet a different name. In Soleani, they're all named after dieties (how creative), so that will require canon eventually.
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idk I just think it should be more of a community thing instead of 2-3 people determining everything
it probably should be but no one is doing anything
If I only knew something really meaningful about planets and star systems
I can just throw random opinions around about how I think it would look cool and shit, but I can't really help making something that is both realist AND cool/interesting. So, I'm currently leaving the work for the ones who are "qualified" for doing so. Or something.
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If I only knew something really meaningful about planets and star systems
I can just throw random opinions around about how I think it would look cool and shit, but I can't really help making something that is both realist AND cool/interesting. So, I'm currently leaving the work for the ones who are "qualified" for doing so. Or something.
You can still consider how many gas giants, rocky planets you think there should be, if they should be lava planets close to the star or icy planets far away, or barren ones, if there should be other habitable planets/moons, if some planets should have rings, if there should be asteroid belts, colors of gas giants and such. I think there's a lot of freedom in using your fantasy, as long as you just don't say they should have exact mass, radius and orbit certain distances that could make some of the other orbits unstable or contradict the physical properties of what they would be made of.
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I invented a new planet yesterday
Named niederlausitz. It is located in the 2p orbital (specifically, 2p5), and has ccw spin. Scientists are still unsure whether niederlausitz is a macro-sized electon or W Boson. Only time, and a planetery-sized particle accelerator, till tell.
also niederlausitz is difficult to spot. astronomers who look for it report that they have no idea where it is
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vulcan is in no danger of boiling off, even though the worldwide annual mean temperature is 54C
(http://i.imgur.com/BMzJQmn.png)
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You can still consider how many gas giants, rocky planets you think there should be, if they should be lava planets close to the star or icy planets far away, or barren ones, if there should be other habitable planets/moons, if some planets should have rings, if there should be asteroid belts, colors of gas giants and such. I think there's a lot of freedom in using your fantasy, as long as you just don't say they should have exact mass, radius and orbit certain distances that could make some of the other orbits unstable or contradict the physical properties of what they would be made of.
I can just throw random opinions around about how I think it would look cool and shit, but I can't really help making something that is both realist AND cool/interesting.
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I can just throw random opinions around about how I think it would look cool and shit, but I can't really help making something that is both realist AND cool/interesting.
I just mean that there are a lot of realistic possibilities as long as you don't get too specific. I don't think it should be a problem with realism if you comment on how many gas giants you want, which ones should have rings, etc.
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Shouldn't all gas giants have rings? (Depending on age of course)
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well Earth now has a faint ring at 23000 km up :P
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what is diese welt?
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Do a quadrinary!!! 4!!!
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saunvare is officially out so that i have total creative freedom
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only lava planet is left
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i cry
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niederlausitz though
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no
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that's what i tell people about my life
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fiah your spectral classes for the brown dwarfs are in the wrong order
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your words in that sentence are in the wrong order