What do you believe is outside of the universe? Another universe? Nothing? But, then you must ask yourself what IS nothing, and how is it possible.I think the chart suggests that we are a more predictable, stable, and complex universe than other universes.
Side note: Is this more complicated than metaphysics or less or about the same types of questions they ask?
Myself, I believe in...uhh...uhhh....this is harder than i thought...uhh...uhhh.
Okay, maybe some kind of totally different spectrum, something not unimaginable, but something that was totally different then our current universe, laws, exsistance! I don't even know how to imagine it. Like, ...
i'll get back to you on this.
Edit: Ah, i found the picture, even though i don't understand it, after reading the article.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Spacetime_dimensionality.svg/500px-Spacetime_dimensionality.svg.png)
We are bound together by a universal system of laws that contribute to...Kol, a universal system of laws only works on THIS universe, right? xD
I've watched a few documentaries and read several articles that talk about possibilities of existing multiverses.QuoteWhat do you believe is outside of the universe?That would require the belief in the supernatural.
"Anyway, I think that "our" universe is probably one of the millions, if not, billions of other universes out there."
Theists use inference as a rationale to explain their beliefs, what do you have other than that to explain yours?
...We are bound together by a universal system of laws that contribute to...Kol, a universal system of laws only works on THIS universe, right? xD
Not really. Let's replace the word 'believe' with 'think'. You don't have to believe in anything to have thoughts, no matter how unlikely. Since no one now or in the forseeable future will be able to know, it can't be disproved, and it's not like it seems to matter.QuoteWhat do you believe is outside of the universe?That would require the belief in the supernatural.
there are no particles at the edge because this region is literally new space for things to move about inhow is no space new space?
I like how some Scientists are stating that the Universe isn't expanding but it is stretching.
Anything outside the Universe would be supernatural...and they don't believe in that silly concept.)
Therefore the galaxies are not moving away from each other but rather the space between them is stretching.
They use the analogy of dough being the universe and raisins being the galaxies, so when the dough expands in the oven...it's not really expanding, it's simply stretching. The problem for them of course remains the same...explain what the oven is.
So explain your version of the outside of the universe because it must not be supernatural, right?the oven doesn't exist the dough is spontaneously expanding ok
Reality states otherwise. Cause and affect, nothing in the universe has been shown to spontaneously do anything. So whether the dough is in an oven or an open fire, it's within something and is expanding or stretching because of something.
QuoteCall it what you will. The real behavior is described by the math of general relativity. Human language is limited. Stretching is probably the better analogy though.
Is this supposed to dispute something I said? I didn't make an argument that stretching was a wrong word choice.
QuoteEverything that exists is by definition "natural". If ghosts were proven to exist scientist would study them and they would no longer be "supernatural", but just a part of our universe.
Strawman much. Whatever the Universe is expanding into or stretching from within has not been proven to exist through Scientific observation, so therefore it would be supernatural till otherwise.
Quote"The universe" used to similarly be the word for "everything that is", but that is changing. Some scientist seriously consider the ideas of a "multiverse" where "our universe" is only a part of "all that exists". Anyway this is also just words. What exist is what exists.
What oven is the multiverse in?
"What exists is what exists"...that's deep..but it doesn't explain anything does it.
QuoteSpace is just a part of the universe and there can come more of it without anything else diminishing. Just the same way as the world in a computer game can be made bigger without it expanding into the outside. (Note: I am not saying our world is a computer simulation, just that the same principle apply)
That goes against the laws of thermodynamics. The computer game is within a computer. The added information would require added memory to hold it.
QuoteAn analogy is just that: an analogy. Analogies go some way to explaining a difficult concept, but eventually they break down. This particular one has been overused, misused and was not particularly good to begin with.I'm not the one using the analogy as a means of validating it logically.
QuoteAn analogy is just that: an analogy. Analogies go some way to explaining a difficult concept, but eventually they break down. This particular one has been overused, misused and was not particularly good to begin with.Great that you can dismiss their analogy but that doesn't refute the problem I pointed out about it. Perhaps you can give a better analogy.
QuoteWhat is true is that the theory of general relativity is the best description of the universe on a grand scale that we have yet. Why does space follow this math? We don't know, but the evidence is pretty strong that is does.
Strawman again. I didn't dispute GR, I only pointed out a flaw in the current theories.
It's the same flaw...a world that can only exist in the material can not also simultaneously have no boundary.
the oven doesn't exist the dough is spontaneously expanding ok
"What do you mean "oven"? The universe is not (as far as we know) in an oven. The universe is not a raising raisin bread, god analogy or bad analogy."
It was one of vh's analogies, in where the universe was the bread.
vv thisthe oven doesn't exist the dough is spontaneously expanding ok
What game