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Title: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: swonx on October 28, 2012, 02:57:29 AM
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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on October 28, 2012, 04:02:49 AM
Well, Aeridani is the capitalist power because... because...
WHY?
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 04:05:49 AM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on October 28, 2012, 04:25:31 AM
Well, because unipolar worlds under communism isn't very appealing
But why Aeridani?
Why no Ezheatio? -no
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 06:30:18 AM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: vh on October 28, 2012, 07:13:34 AM
....competing? why would you need to compete? orite; you're capitalist.
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Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 07:43:00 AM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 28, 2012, 10:10:22 AM
Plus competing (often) promotes advancement and ingenuity... As long as it's not competing for the most nukes.
The thing is that in this process they keep a lot of things secret to stop others from finding out first (patents for example or secret recepies), or simply don't share their knowledge which others could benefit from. If everybody shared their knowledge and discoveries and cooperated instead, I think that would lead to more advancements.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 28, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
People have aspirations to do things and that should fuel advancements alone. Robots can do the stuff people don't want to do.

Blaist-robotic Soleani socialism
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on October 28, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
If Ezheatio is the young capitalist testing the waters of the world with his little feet, Aeridani is the grown businessman making profits with octopus fetuses. It doesn't mean Ezheatio is destined to be forever lesser than Aeridani, it just means that Ezheatio is starting to grow up and compete.
Uhh...
Okay them.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 01:12:59 PM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: vh on October 28, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
where everyone has to share secrets/ no patents?
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 28, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
Well I can see the need for patents in the capitalist system. Consider just Universe Sandbox, if it cannot patent to at least some extent, then everyone could copy the game and give it freely to everybody else or sell it themselves and Dan would have no way to live from working on the game other than from donations.

Not that I know your alternative system to it, you can tell us about it. I don't have to ask you questions about it if you don't want it.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 03:51:11 PM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 28, 2012, 04:10:28 PM
So what is it? And how does it ensure that the coporations won't be able to control things.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: vh on October 28, 2012, 04:26:13 PM
kol i think they're called antitrust laws :P
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: matty406 on October 28, 2012, 04:37:32 PM
Ethanthova has a massive burocracy that tracks every company and it's actions, when they get to a certain size, they are assimilated by the government as a public enterprise. they still get to have most of the control, but everything they do can be looked up by the general public via a transparency resource.

Or something I just made this up right now.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 28, 2012, 04:39:18 PM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: matty406 on October 28, 2012, 04:47:00 PM
Eeh, not really. they can still accumulate wealth but any corruption and such will be publicly exposed.
Everybody gets the basics, a roof, access to food, a tv, and internet access at it's most simplest. From this you can live, if you desire, you work, acquire currency which allows you to add and upgrade to these.

Again this was made up just now.
I'm not 100% sure about how Ethanthova works yet.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 28, 2012, 11:14:18 PM
That's too communist D:
What is communism?
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 29, 2012, 02:51:17 AM

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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 29, 2012, 06:42:26 AM
Ok. "communist state" is an oxymoron btw, but whatever.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: vh on October 29, 2012, 07:09:02 AM
in blaist blaland public oatmeal is an oxymoron because bla eats it all.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 29, 2012, 07:11:17 AM
I would have done the same.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: blotz on October 29, 2012, 07:12:41 AM
I would have done the different.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on October 29, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
Eeh, not really. they can still accumulate wealth but any corruption and such will be publicly exposed.
Everybody gets the basics, a roof, access to food, a tv, and internet access at it's most simplest. From this you can live, if you desire, you work, acquire currency which allows you to add and upgrade to these.

Again this was made up just now.
I'm not 100% sure about how Ethanthova works yet.
This is how Ezheatio works, a moisture of kolpitalism and kolmunnism
i will call it nuepolism
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 29, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
are all of aiota's nations capitalist
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 29, 2012, 10:50:34 PM
Well, because unipolar worlds under communism isn't very appealing
well unipolar worlds under capitalism aren't very appealing either (earth)
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on October 30, 2012, 02:24:57 AM
are all of Ezheatio nations capitalist
No.
They're all Nuepolists.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 30, 2012, 11:26:22 AM
the USSR was socialist trying to impress the world
but really they were failing for a really long time because their main way of being socialist was by having an isolated economy
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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 30, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
the USSR was socialist trying to impress the world
but really they were failing for a really long time because their main way of being socialist was by having an isolated economy
In fact their economy grew fastest while it had autarkic policies... It began to stagnate in the 1970's and began to import a lot of things. There are several reasons why, the main one their military spending being gigantic compared to their total production (like North Korea today compared to the west), and later Saudi Arabia increasing oil production, making oil prices fall sharply and ruining the USSR balance of payments. World War 2 is also worth mentioning and the fact that despite much bigger destruction, the east got no help compared to the west from the intact USA.

With that said, no, having an isolated economy doesn't make it better, and surely the USSR's economy would've done much better if it could've cooperated with an industrialized socialist west rather than being undermined by and protecting itself against it.
And having an autarkic economy reduces interdependence. It's more of a necessity from international politics than an economic policy.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 30, 2012, 12:24:39 PM
don't need oil
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
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Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Bla on October 30, 2012, 12:45:46 PM
dont forget teh ussrz was an evilz corrupt dictatorsip ruuld bey evil Stalin
Stalin definitely was one of the most evil people to ever exist. As for the rest of USSR's history it was hardly more evil than USA (not that that's not more than evil enough). Both of them were ready to kill millions of people around the planet to stop each other. USA has supported countless dictatorships to undermine the USSR and even installed a few, and certainly is still corrupt to this day. With no bipolar system today, USA has decided to treat Earth as its playground and testing site for missiles.

Both countries have pissed on either social, civil or political rights of its citizens to some extent. The USSR was in no way ideal but I think there are some good things socialists can learn from it in how to (and not to) build a socialist society.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Darvince on December 11, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
uhh I think this is why bla left the forum
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on December 11, 2012, 02:17:34 PM
uhh I think this is why bla left the forum
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on December 11, 2012, 03:13:16 PM
uhh I think this is why bla left the forum
I don't.
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: vh on December 11, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
i don't think darvince was being serious there
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Hellpotatoe on December 12, 2012, 03:51:52 AM
i don't think darvince was being serious there
Title: Re: Capitalist Nation Topic
Post by: Darvince on December 12, 2012, 08:01:48 AM
i don't think darvince was being serious there