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Re: Politics
« Reply #180 on: November 06, 2012, 06:36:03 PM »
smjjames already told me, but thx.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #181 on: November 06, 2012, 06:37:19 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2012, 09:30:17 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2012, 09:42:24 PM »
Lol!
Obama won! Woooooooooot!!!!!!!

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Re: Politics
« Reply #184 on: November 06, 2012, 10:27:22 PM »
like, 3 states just passed laws allowing same-sex marriage

(which is all which had votable laws on that)

maryland
maine
washington

minnesota stopped a law to ban same-sex marriage
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Re: Politics
« Reply #185 on: November 06, 2012, 10:52:26 PM »
wow that's adorable

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« Reply #186 on: November 07, 2012, 04:54:04 AM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #187 on: November 07, 2012, 06:30:26 AM »
http://townhall.com/election/2012/az/summary

According to this Arizona may have a majority DEMOCRAT House. wow Just needs better numbers because the 50/50 one is uncute.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #188 on: November 07, 2012, 08:59:46 AM »
If we are discussing Political Viewpoints in General - rather than Politicians in one Country ( U.S.A. ) -

Then I would wish to contribute to the Discussion.  I have given up on Politicians.

NO Politicians will actually do what the People want -
They don't say "What Do You Want Me To Do".
Instead they say "This is What I Will Do"
"What my opponent will do is [ some ridiculous or frightenting alternative ]"
"So you must Vote for me, otherwise He will do these terrible things".

I believe in True Democracy - but that would actually be something like Socialism, Communism or even Bla-ism.

When I was a Teenager - too long ago - I was a Marxist-Anarchist.  Not so now - I have no real Political Agenda - not one which will actually ever be used.

We COULD have a System of True Democracy - like I created for Attica Dominion in my Sci Fi Game.

The President is Elected by on-line Voting, with lots of safeguards to prevent False Voters from Cheating.

At any time - ANYONE can Propose a Policy Change OR a Vote of "No Confidence" in The President - this is fielded On-line.

If more than 5% of the Total Electorate approve that - it becomes an Official Plebiscite, and it is Published.
Everyone can Vote on that one - if more than 55% of the Total Electorate agree it, it MUST be acted upon.
If the President has a 55% or more Vote of "No Confidence" - he must Resign and face a New Election, in competition with other Candidates.

If There is an issue which only a Minority care about - it cannot get a 55% Vote, so it won't happen.

The President may propose Ammendments to the Voted Policy - but he must also get 55% of the Electorate to agree, otherwise the original Policy MUST be applied.
The President may START a new Policy,  in the same way - but this must be approved by 55% of the Voters.

The President HAS TO keep the Majority of the Voters happy, on every issue.
He CANNOT  govern under a "blanket policy" which includes some things people want, and some which they do not - each Policy Issue has to be agreed - and is always subject to the Support of the People, which may change.  


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Re: Politics
« Reply #189 on: November 07, 2012, 12:59:47 PM »
http://www.hark.com/clips/byqzjkgqpp-todd-akin-on-rape-and-abortion
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Re: Politics
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« Reply #191 on: November 07, 2012, 01:50:38 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #192 on: November 07, 2012, 04:05:26 PM »
wow kakakris that is cute. does that include the means of production in the democracy?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #193 on: November 07, 2012, 09:43:16 PM »
"If the conservative movement and the conservative media and the republican party is stuck in a vacuum-sealed, door-locked, spin cycle of telling what makes them feel good, and denying the actual lived truth of the world, we are all deprived, as a nation, of the very debate between competing, feasible ideas about real problems.

Last night the republicans got shellacked, and they had NO idea it was coming. And we saw them in real time - in real, humiliating time - not believe it even as it was happening to them. And unless they want to secede, they will need to pop the fictional bubble they have been so happily living inside, if they do not want to get shellacked again.

And that will be a painful process for them, I’m sure, but it will be good for the whole country, left, right, and center.

You guys, we’re counting on you. Wake up!

There’s real problems in the world. There are real knowable facts in the world. Let’s accept those, and talk about how we might approach our problems differently. Let’s move on from there. If the republican party, and the conservative movement, and the conservative media were forced to do that by the humiliation they were dealt last night, we will all be better off as a nation.

And in that spirit, congratulations EVERYBODY."

- Rachel Maddow

aaaaaaand

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956379/posts

"The Republican Party died last night.

Somewhere in the suburbs of Cleveland, on the shore of Lake Erie, in the decisions of some suburban voters, the Republican Party stopped being a nationally viable political organization.

Oh, it will continue to exist.

But it will likely never again truly contest for the presidency. The nation has changed, the values have been replaced, the demographics are different.

The demographics are insurmountable.

Last night was a tipping point, a dance on a razor’s edge, and it went the other way. What was undoable last night will become increasingly impossible with each passing year. The margins will grow, the base will shrink, the tide will turn and the day will pass.

The Republican Party died last night.

Oh, it will continue to exist.

There will be the name and the elephants, but nationally, conservatism is playing against an impossibly stacked deck.

The nation had a clear choice. Each party ran candidates who were true to type. The Republicans ran conservatives and the Democrats ran liberals and it was a rout. Nothing changed except that Republicans got rebuffed across the board.

America wants Democrat.

More specifically, America wants liberal. It wants an activist, empowered government, imposing fairness and supporting entitlement.

That’s what America wants.

At least half of it wants that. Half and a tiny bit more.

And the inexorably shifting demographics of the nation ensure that that tiny bit more will grow steadily, cementing the liberal majority and creating an electoral impossibility of replacing it.

Last night was the last chance.

It was the last chance to gain a last national electoral victory over the Democratic coalition – Latinos, blacks, gays, feminists, trade unionists, government employees and welfare beneficiaries. The last chance to let a Republican president advocate the conservative, constitutional principles upon which American society was built.

But America said, “No, thanks.”

The majority preferred more of the last four years to anything Mitt Romney and the Republicans were offering.

The constituent communities of that majority are only going to grow in size and prominence in American society. They are going to increasingly dominate our society and politics.

Four years from now, more of the older conservative voters will be dead, and more of the younger liberal voters will be registered to vote. The Latino community, essentially co-opted by the Democrats into an aggrieved permanent minority status, will, like black voters, be larger and more Democrat. Four years from now, the cultural shift away from traditional values will be more advanced, thanks to more brainwashing by school teachers and sitcoms.

Those members of our society who typically identify with the Democratic Party are increasing. Those members of our society who typically identify with the Republican Party are shrinking.

You do the math.

Certain, Republicans will keep running. And some of them, no doubt, will win. But they will be a different sort of Republican.

They will not be conservative. Certainly not socially or morally conservative.

They will bend over backwards to avoid the principles of moral conservatism, so as to not disrespect a social norm.

They will be Democrat-lite.

Or they will not win.

Last night was our best chance.

And America chose the other team.

Almost $3 billion was spent on the presidential campaign. Untold tens of millions of dollars were spent on congressional campaigns across the country. And nothing changed.

Obama is still in the White House. The Democrats still control the Senate. Republicans still control the House of Representatives. The pundits say America voted to break the grid lock, that it voted to demand team work. It did no such thing. It voted to maintain the status quo.

So we have gone on a long, painful and expensive national journey, and it has left us exactly where we started.

A couple of House seats this way, a couple of Senate seats that way, and Obama on top of the whole thing.

That isn’t change, that is business as usual.

Conservatism has become a regional philosophy, the Republican Party a regional party. It will win governorships, it will win seats in the House or Senate, but it will essentially be a phenomenon of the South and Midwest.

Where traditional values endure and dwindle, the Republican Party will still be relevant.

But those places will shrink and shrivel. And each year, the gap between those who support conservatism and the number needed to win a national victory will grow.

Last night was conservatism’s last stand.

And it lost.

The Republican Party died last night."
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Re: Politics
« Reply #194 on: November 07, 2012, 10:12:19 PM »
no it didn't

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Re: Politics
« Reply #195 on: November 07, 2012, 10:18:59 PM »
kol nice

that was such a long post i thought it was bla's

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Re: Politics
« Reply #196 on: November 07, 2012, 10:24:14 PM »
kol mudkipz
anyway i found out that i was leftist before pretty much everyone else at the forums except bla by looking at the early part of the thread

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Re: Politics
« Reply #197 on: November 08, 2012, 04:29:08 AM »
wow kakakris that is cute. does that include the means of production in the democracy?

The State / Goverment provides Free Education, Free Healthacare, Free Social Security.
As we AT WAR - there is almost No Unemployment - but people who CANNOT work will get Full Social Security.

All of these Policies which are still subject to intervention by the Electorate - who can get things changed, if 55% of the Voters want them changed.

All Industry and Businesses are partly State Owned.

The "State" owns between 70% and 80% of each of the Maunfacturers, etc.
Private Investors own the rest.

Managers are appointed - and left to Run the Operations, with a little general guidance from the Government.
If they make a mess of it - they are cautioned, and if they continue to get it wrong, the are replaced.

Normally Taxes will be around some 5% maximum - because the Govenment makes a lot of money from Manufacture, etc.
As we are AT WAR - Taxes are around 10% for everyone.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #198 on: November 08, 2012, 10:50:28 AM »
ok so it's like some Keynesian thing

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« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2012, 06:20:29 AM »
Not sure if I EVER understoof Kenysianism - Hmmm

What we have is pretty much Socialism - in Attica Dominion.

All of the other Dominions are demiocratic - none are Dictatorial.

The President and Minister of the Confederation are Elected by the Dominions.
The Confederation is also pretty "Green" in a general sense.
Respecting the Rights and Survival of All First Nations or First Peoples - Native Intelligent Peoples
But also - Respecting the Rights and Survival of All Native Life-Forms, everywhere.

You can Hunt, Fish, Harvest, Kill Animals - for Food.
But No Species may be exploited for any other purpose.
The rights of all Species to survival in a Natural Habitat must be assured -
and no Species may be Hunted, Fished or Harvested to the point where it risks their continuing Survival -
OR if it risks the Balances of the Eco-System, or "Food Chains".

The Human ( or other ) Populations of Intelligent Speces may NOT expand in an uncontrolled manner ,
until their Habitation or Food Production poses risks to the Habitats and Environments of ANY Native Species.


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Re: Politics
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Re: Politics
« Reply #203 on: January 23, 2013, 02:06:57 AM »
" all you groups of dreadlocked California hippies and Burning Man festival survivors" not stereotyping or anything.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #206 on: March 16, 2013, 03:50:44 AM »
Interesting, it seems likely that Enhedslisten will be significantly strengthened in the cities in the next municipal election.
Opinion polls:
Copenhagen: Social democrats: 28%,  Enhedslisten: 27%
(The social democrats have governed Copenhagen for more than 100 years)
Århus: Enhedslisten: 14% (3x last election)
Odense: Enhedslisten: 14% (3x last election)

Socialist People's Party is losing a lot of votes to Enhedslisten though, and in Odense they went from 20.5% votes in the last election to 7% now. People are moving to Enhedslisten and to the right from the governing parties because they aren't doing very well and definitely aren't anywhere as "red" as promised or expected.

The conservatives also seem to be facing a disaster in all opinion polls. In Odense they are expected to go from 24.2% to 6% in the next election. But most of those votes seem to be moving to the liberals (Venstre), which is being strengthened. Danish People's Party is also being strengthened in parlamentary level, but has never done well in municipal elections it seems.

On parlamentary level Enhedslisten would get about 12.5% of votes, so it is also improving here. It just won't have a lot of things to use the votes for if the governing parties lose power to the right anyway - which they are going to do if they keep acting this stupid and blue.

Sources:
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Politik/2013/03/16/0316062448.htm
http://www.b.dk/politiko/de-store-byer-ser-roedt-0
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/meningsmaalinger

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Re: Politics
« Reply #207 on: March 16, 2013, 10:29:47 AM »
inb4 denmark becomes socialist by 2020

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« Reply #208 on: March 16, 2013, 10:59:55 AM »
inb4 denmark becomes socialist by 2020
YESSSSSSS

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« Reply #209 on: March 16, 2013, 11:07:20 AM »
inb4 denmark becomes socialist by 2020
Well the plan is August or September. Germany may be liberated about mid-December, the southern parts shortly after New Year 2014. Paris should be red by February, we will then attend KOMMUNIST KOLKON 2014 in Stockholm to discuss the strategy from there.

(In other news, I don't think so, unless EU really collapses economically, then again, that would also mean fascism would rise as well like in Greece, which would make the situation very unpleasant - but if it happened I still think it would turn to socialism rather than fascism)