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Re: Politics
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2011, 07:38:05 AM »
The fast food people and stuff you were ranting about.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2011, 07:46:07 AM »
no fast f00d f0r y0u

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Re: Politics
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2011, 07:52:07 AM »
First of all, what did you mean by natural selection?

About the fast food: Many people like to look at everything from a completely detached, individual viewpoint. But we live on a planet where we cannot just ignore each other. This is why we have traffic laws. We don't just say "stay away from the road and you'll be fine", we try to make a good, efficient, working system with rules.
Tobacco, alcohol, fast food, drugs, etc. is harmful to society. It's harmful to people because it's unhealthy, and when a lot of people are unhealthy, everyone else have to pay more taxes because they work less because of their health, and the healthcare system becomes more expensive too because people are using it more.

Another point about the fast food (etc.). We want our society to be as good as possible for everyone to live in. Having a poor health is not good. The people who start smoking, doing drugs, eating candy etc. hardly understand the consequences, which is why laws forbid drugs. But corporations are too busy making money of people's health, so sadly we're still wasting Earth's resources on producing all the other crap. I also care about Earth's resources, because they're finite and should be put to the best possible use. The best use is not clogging people's arteries or destroying their lungs, giving them cancer and killing them.

Now, the third point is more about the corporations. They don't even pay taxes, but they sell a lot of useless stuff harming our society. They use transfer pricing. In my opinion, these greedy people can kindly ... off.

Do you understand why I don't just ignore them now? :)

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Re: Politics
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2011, 04:14:51 PM »
When they kill themselves, and we run out of resources, we can be the few people who live past the fossil fuel age. We'll have our own windfarm or solar power plant.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2011, 10:16:29 PM »
Who are they and we?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2011, 10:29:03 PM »
People who really don't care what they do to themselves (fast food/alchohol/drugs) or the Earth (uhhh wasting resources)...

We is all the smart people who realise what we're (or if some aren't then realize what "they") actually are doing to themselves/Earth.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2011, 10:47:27 PM »
The strategy could work if people who care about themselves and the Earth people are naturally selected, but I doubt it. I don't know what group gets more children in general. It also requires that these things are genetic and not memetic/cultural. I think much of this is largely cultural, and I think that culture should be changed.

Also, pollution and cigarette smoke doesn't only kill those who make it, but pollution is a global problem affecting everyone and smoke affects other people nearby too.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2011, 07:48:21 AM »
People use fossil fuels > fossil fuels run out > they switch or have to survive without energy

Simple.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2011, 08:22:08 AM »
Or

People use fossil fuels -> Greater carbondioxide emmisions -> Global warming -> Ocean levels rise -> All major cities at coasts are destroyed.
People use fossil fuels -> Greater carbondioxide emmisions -> Global warming -> More natural disasters -> Our economies are ruined.
The last implications in both of these are obviously worse case scenarios.

Have you considered "they switch or have to survive without energy"? How do you think switching to other energy sources will affect our economies AFTER we have run our of fossil fuels?
I don't think this is a good strategy. Instead, we should start planning our economy for the future, stop wasting work force and resources on harmful and useless stuff and start producing more windmills. We even have peope who could work not working, currently, many of them because of the crises. With a planned economy, we could make unemployment non-existant.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2011, 09:14:24 AM »
Do you remember me not believing in Global Warming? I believe it now.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2011, 09:25:31 AM »
Do you remember me not believing in Global Warming? I believe it now.
It is good to see that you're open minded enough to realize being wrong. There are so many people who aren't. What convinced you?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2011, 10:10:33 AM »
My mom. Well, I was convinced in 2010.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2011, 10:38:44 AM »
Okay. What did she say which convinced you?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2011, 10:43:09 AM »
Okay. What did she say which convinced you?
I don't remember exactly.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2011, 04:16:01 PM »
Have you considered "they switch or have to survive without energy"? How do you think switching to other energy sources will affect our economies AFTER we have run our of fossil fuels?
I don't think this is a good strategy. Instead, we should start planning our economy for the future, stop wasting work force and resources on harmful and useless stuff and start producing more windmills. We even have peope who could work not working, currently, many of them because of the crises. With a planned economy, we could make unemployment non-existant.
Remember WE do switch soon, THEY will fail if they don't.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2011, 09:08:28 PM »
The government is using light pollution to dumb us down and not have children ponder questions about the universe and nature and grow up to be boring bland people, who are brainwashed. :P :P :P lol that's what some conspiracy theorist would say...

lolol

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Re: Politics
« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2011, 09:31:44 PM »
Obama should be impeached. Do you agree?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2011, 10:00:12 PM »
Is this sarcasm?

If not, no, I do not think so.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2011, 10:07:27 PM »
Why do you think he should be impeached?

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Re: Politics
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2011, 10:32:04 PM »
He is not doing anything about the border and other things. He says he will do something, and he doesn't do it.

And I am not joking at all.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2011, 10:47:59 PM »
While I don't really support Obama, I think the alternative is much worse. I think American politics is so boring when there are only two major parties.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2011, 07:06:44 AM »
Somalia is a lawless anarchy.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2011, 07:12:07 AM »
imo Obama is doing good, i.e. support Libyan rebels against Libya, would've be much worse if he would actually support the government.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2011, 07:43:49 AM »
I think some time in the future, people are gonna stop switching parties because they get tired of their ideals and what they're doing, and they're gonna vote for the Independents or one of the small parties with a presidential candidate.

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Re: Politics
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Re: Politics
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2011, 07:58:56 AM »
KOL. Our prime minister selectively removes critical comments on his Facebook page! (If he's the only one managing it).
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/2011/Valg/2011/08/31/122917.htm
http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/A8491FE5-D5FD-4CF6-B0A6-00719932135D/3066482/larsloekkefbsideudensletbeskaaret2.jpg

Also, the government has a campaign website filled with errors about the oppositions' proposals. 13 out of 38 examples are factually wrong.
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/2011/Valg/2011/08/30/223354.htm

Also, the next election in Denmark will be on September 15. I'd wish I could vote. :P

In other news, more than 6% said they would vote for the Unity List in the latest opinion poll. Ofc it's nothing near certain that they reflect the election results... But very interesting. They're also having a membership boom. If it's true, they'll get thrice as many votes as last election.

Oh, and lol, here's the reply about the removal of comments:
http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Temaer/2011/Valg/2011/08/31/171116.htm
I like how they say "Det er vigtigt at have et kodeks, som sikrer en fornuftig diskussion." - "It is important to have a set of rules which ensure a reasonable discussion." Their rules rather seem to ensure no discussion, but only comments agreeing with them. Example of a "comment which didn't ensure a reasonable discussion":

"Hvorfor fjerner I alle de faktuelle ting, som der bliver bragt på banen? Er sandheden ilde hørt?" - "Why do you remove all the factual statements which are addressed? Don't you want the truth?"

How much more ironic can it get when you remove such a comment. Of course, they didn't want to comment on specific comments. I hope this will stupidity will flip right back into their own face, and I guess it will. :P
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Re: Politics
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2011, 11:08:19 AM »
I am - hahahha

A "Child of the Sixties".
At School I was a Marxist-Pacifist.
At College I was a Marxist-Anarchist.

Later I was an Anarchist

When the Revolution collapsed in the mid-late 1960's -
Yes, some of us knew it was happening.
Then I started to change.

When my Dreams collapsed - which would have led to the
founding of "The New Philsophy", a combination of Marxist Society
and profitable Business Empire, which was planned to operatie
with in the U.K. and later further afield.

Then - I GAVE UP.

Since then - I Gave Up on Politics, I Gave Up on this World -
I see NO better Future, Ever.

The ideal Society would be based on Local Units, not much bigger
than large Villages - run on Democratic Marxist principles -
with NO Bigger Businesses allowed.

It will NEVER Happen - So - I have GIVEN UP on this whole World.

Fortunately I will not live much more than another 20 years -
so I will not have to watch this World going TOTALLY TO HELL
for very much longer. 

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Re: Politics
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2011, 11:53:15 AM »
Marxist-Anarchism? I assume that contains the idea of the state withering away? Why did you think that it would happen (if you did)?
Or wouldn't Anarchists use the state at all (even Marxist-Anarchists)?

I think, if humans don't destroy themselves by greedily leeching Earth from all its resources and destroying themselves in the process first, we will in the end achieve Communism, no matter how long it'll take. In the end, machines, robots and computers would replace the human work force. Or, at least they could, but it depends on whether we will allow it or not - our progress in technology since the industrial revolution has hardly led us to work any less yet. The global capitalism also works against technology here, by letting lowly-paid workers in developing countries do work which highly efficient, but in some cases more expensive machines could do.
Considering it, even a fully mechanical work force wouldn't ensure full equality, since capitalists could still continue the biggest computer game on Earth (also known as the stock exchange), and simply own all those things to accumulate bigger mountains of (ever more virtual) gold with no interest in actually serving the people. I'd wish we could just cut the HDMI cable connecting the stock exchanges to the real world, then people should be welcome to play it.

6.4% for the Unity List now, according to opinion polls, this is really exciting. And more people want it in the government with Socialist People's Party and the Social Democrats than they want the Radical Left (who should really just go away economically, they're even in favor of our government's "tax stop").
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Re: Politics
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2011, 02:34:21 PM »
People like me - who "came of age" in the 1960's

Well - we believed a lot of things.

Yes - Some of us, we thought that the State would cease to exist.
We used to go around saying things like "down with bureacracy".

We saw the State being replaced by very local units,
which would be fully representative -
There would be NO Politicians, as the people who helped
run things would be your Friends and Neighbours.
Something like a network of Communes or Kibutses.

Marx wrote that things started to go wrong when the Guilds
ceased to control Trades.
I do not entirely agree - but he said that under the Guild System,
a Master could only Employ a limited number of Apprentices and
Journeymen, and he must do some of the Work himself.
That would not allow Big Companies to exist, employing Labour
as loads of Workers - and profiting from their work.

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Re: Politics
« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2011, 01:24:12 PM »
Our old minister of integration was also the best comedian in Denmark. Sadly, she was fired by our prime minister, after he had spent days begging her to leave by herself.

When asked by an interviewer, she doesn't answer. She doesn't say "no comments", she doesn't go away. She just stands, looking at the interviewer, smiling creepily for 45 seconds.



And according to our old minister of education, 15 + 16 is 33.



And our minister of food is busy convincing people how much he likes apples, and how interested he is in them... But apparently they also make him throw up.



But well... Our government is a joke. :)
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