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Darvince

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Things that prove the world is warming.
« on: January 01, 2017, 11:23:54 PM »
This is not exactly the best opener post, but it'll do, since it shows the warmed distribution of weather stations for 2016 in the US:


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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 01:05:54 AM »
i really like this statistical visualization actually

the only problem is you can't really show this to people who don't really understand scientific methods or math

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 05:00:23 AM »
i was outside today and it was like 80F and it's in the middle of winter. if this doesn't confirm gw i don't know what will

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 12:33:32 AM »
in Alaska villages built on permafrost are sinking into the ground because the permafrost is melting

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 10:30:24 PM »
that's not good enough

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2017, 06:22:19 PM »
i put an ice cube in my back yard and it melted

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2017, 09:37:22 PM »
perfect

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2017, 11:46:55 PM »
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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 09:43:59 AM »
Lets start with the fact that I am NOT a Climate Change Denier.  I have plenty of friends/acquaintances who are climate scientists and I agree with their consensus view that the climate is changing and a significant portion of that change is driven by human activity.

That being said, I really dislike charts like this.  IMO, they don't say anything useful.  Everybody knows that there are individual years that are warmer or cooler, especially regionally, than others.  We listen to the weather man all the time saying that it is unseasonably warm/cold/wet/dry/cloudy/humid/etc.  When we talk climate change, the conversation needs to be in LONG TERM trends and data, not individual years that are above or below average.  Heck.  I could take time slices equivalent to what these graphs present at various places around the Maunder Minimum to prove both that we were entering a new ice age and that the Earth was going to burn up.

Another thing that bugs me is the fact that the conversation seems to revolve around fossil fuels.  Alternative fuel sources don't come without their own consequences.  Hydro-electric involves damming rivers.  Solar panel production is very toxic and the large solar farms create strong heat islands.  Wind farms are killing off birds at a rapid rate.  Nuclear creates waste that we haven't figured out what to do with (but is VERY energy dense).  What is needed is energy conservation and a portfolio of different energy sources that spread the undesirable effects.

But we also need to look at the other parts of the equation.  One of the big reasons why the climate is changing is that we have crippled the feedback mechanisms of the climate.  Deforestation, over fishing, etc., have crippled the system's ability to react to the increased carbon.  People don't plant lawns, they put in artificial turf.  We build new housing developments, malls, and parking lots but don't mitigate the destroyed vegetation with reforestation elsewhere.

Just cutting carbon production doesn't do any good without repairing the mechanisms that cleanse the atmosphere.  The US and China cutting fossil fuels doesn't help without reforestation in Brazil and Indonesia.  To change it to engineering terms, reducing the forcing function won't help without increasing system damping.

My opinion.  Done ranting.


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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 03:00:34 AM »
Wind farms are killing off birds at a rapid rate.
no not really

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Re: Things that prove the world is warming.
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 02:18:29 PM »
Wind farms are killing off birds at a rapid rate.
no not really

OK, poorly worded.  Wind Farms are killing of top level predator birds at a rapid rate.  The statistics I've seen are for hawks, owls, eagles, falcons, osprey, etc, not finches, jays, crows, and the like.  There are a few cases where we've placed wind farms right smack in the middle of migratory paths where we are killing off migratory birds as well.

Let me also say that I don't really understand this.  The birds should be able to see the turbines.  Why don't they just avoid them?  I can understand why large solar plants like Ivanpah kill off birds (they can't see the infrared beam and get cooked when they fly through them), but why can't they avoid an 80' turbine blade?