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Title: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 10:40:44 AM
Ok, this is the topic for continuing the discussions in SuperNova's thread (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,974.0.html).
The topic is about LGBT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT)-things.

Here I have quoted the messages that started the off-topic talk in SuperNova's thread:

Don't be sad because people could think you are different; just ignore who cannot understand your situation.

If it make you feel better I want to say to you that I'm quite in the same situation: well, I'm gay. I didn't tell this to many people except with some close friends (but I will tell this to everyone soon). There are many many people in the world (and maybe in this same forum) that cannot understand these differences (I want to remember to everyone that they aren't choices!). We are this way since our birth and we cannot make anything to change it.

Try to make these people understand what it means and if they doesn't make it, just ignore them: after all people like this aren't a bad loss.

Bla, I'm so happy to know I'm not alone here ;)

However I live in small city (50000 inhabitants): I don't know where do you live, but I don't know anyone gay here... If the 5% valuation is correct we should be 2500, but nobody says anything. I'm looking forward going to university....

I think it's very hard to determine the amount of people who are, since so many will hide it. Statistics say 2-5% from what I've heard.
I've never known anyone else who is gay. I've kept distance to other people for years and for more than half a year I've forbidden myself to talk with/look at other boys at my age, so obviously I don't know much about them.
But it is very special to meet someone else who is and probably has tried the same situations as me. :)

SuperNova, sorry for going a little bit off-topic, we can make another topic for this discussion if you want?

I've kept distance to other people for years and for more than half a year I've forbidden myself to talk with/look at other boys at my age, so obviously I don't know much about them.

You shouldn't do it if are still doing it. If you talk to other guys without saying nothing you can make friendships, then, when you understand how they think about certain topics you could speak. Maybe you could be worried about how they could react if they discover you're "on the other side" but if they are real friends they should understand that you're the same as before (as I've already said to SuperNova, if they don't understand you, it's not a bad loss...). Moreover if you tell this to everybody you could push other guys to talk ;) and maybe you could discover that 1 or 2 of your mates are like you... and, even if it didn't happened to me, it's one of the best things for us. :)

It feels too immoral of me to have any contact with them without they know that I'm gay. I'm not afraid of how they will react to me or how they will treat me, but it's very hard to say (I simply hate using any word related to 'gay'), plus, I've shown my interests, opinions and lack of beliefs earlier. I'm afraid they will hate everything I like, mean or think. Science is so important for us and I don't want anyone to think it's "gay" or something like that...
Also, if I talk with them etc., they would perhaps also hate gays even more afterwards. I want to be 100% certain that I don't do anything that could cause more hate to gays. I wish the best for everyone, and I want to be a good person who will cause other people to think better about us.

It feels too immoral of me to have any contact with them without they know that I'm gay. I'm not afraid of how they will react to me or how they will treat me, but it's very hard to say (I simply hate using any word related to 'gay'), plus, I've shown my interests, opinions and beliefs earlier. I'm afraid they will hate everything I like, mean or think. Science is so important for us and I don't want anyone to think it's "gay" or something like that...
Also, if I talk with them etc., they would perhaps also hate gays even more afterwards. I want to be 100% certain that I don't do anything that could cause more hate to gays. I wish the best for everyone, and I want to be a good person who will cause other people to think better about us.

Well, it's a good pourpose, but you are you, and nobody can change it, neither yourself. What's wrong is not our behaviour, but how they react to us. They have to change, not us. Unless we doesn't hurt anyone, we are free to do whatever we want.

Loving someone of the same sex doesn't hurt anyone.

If you love someone or something why you cannot do it the way you like most?? Just because someone doesn't like it? That's not a sufficient reason.

A good parallel I usually do is racism:
You don't have to paint your skin white, or leave your seat in a bus to a white person to be liked by everybody or to make blacks more loved..

but it's very hard to say

I know it :), but for other reasons, 'cos...

(I simply hate using any word related to 'gay')

Trust me, don't. It is just like hating yourself...

That's true, replacing gays with blacks etc. is a good way of detecting what's right/wrong, and for seeing what would be accepted by other people.
But right now the most important thing to me is just to get the homophobia reduced and to make people stop hating us. Perhaps it's also best not to think too much about love, it shouldn't take up too much brain capacity which could be spent on Science. :)

But right now the most important thing to me is just to get the homophobia reduced and to make people stop hating us.

I know what you mean, but again, you are changing your behaviour to be more accepted by people who doesn't like you.

Is it right trowing out from a disco an etero couple because they kiss? No
Is it tight trowing out from a disco a gay couple because they kiss? According to many people, yes.

The second answer should change. You want the gay couple not doing anything at all, so that nobody could throw them out.

Hmm, I have no problem with other gays doing anything they want (when they don't harm people, ofc). I just want to do something good for the rest of the gays by "tolerating" the homophobia - perhaps they will find out how absurd it is in the end by themselves?
I will come out to my school soon, if I get the chance. My plan was Monday, but my parents have no understanding of how long time I've considered, planned and decided it, and say I should "spend some time considering it". Lately they changed their mind back to "it's completely up to myself", but I'm just afraid that they can't see it's a serious problem if I come out myself.

I just want to do something good for the rest of the gays by "tolerating" the homophobia

I do not agree, but you're free to do what you want ;)

perhaps they will find out how absurd it is in the end by themselves?

I don't think so... Black had to fight for a more obvious reason. Moreover we have Church against us...

I will come out to my school soon, if I get the chance. My plan was Monday, but my parents have no understanding of how long time I've considered, planned and decided it, and say I should "spend some time considering it". Lately they changed their mind back to "it's completely up to myself", but I'm just afraid that they can't see it's a serious problem if I come out myself.

Well I didn't come out with my parents yet. I find it terribly difficult...
So I can't help you here..

it's a serious problem if I come out myself

I didn't get your point...

I call this thread era, Supertalking Era.

xD

And the last message was:

it's a serious problem if I come out myself
I didn't get your point...
but I'm just afraid that they can't see it's a serious problem if I come out myself. :)
I call this thread era, Supertalking Era.
I thought about the era-stuff earlier and was afraid it would be called the gay era, lol.  :-[ :P
I wonder if it's ok to talk about this on the forum.

Btw, FGFG, is there anything I can help with about coming out to your parents? Anything you want to know?
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: FGFG on December 13, 2009, 10:45:10 AM
No, don't worry. ;)

I cannot understand why coming out by yourself is a problem.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 10:52:37 AM
Because if I just say "I'm gay" at school (in a context ofc), I don't think they would take me serious or have any understanding of it.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: FGFG on December 13, 2009, 11:03:06 AM
example:

you: "I'm gay"
mates: "really?" (laughing as it is a joke)
you: "yeah..." (serious)
mates "Oh"

And then try to ask something like "Did you expect that?" or something similar.. It they are intelligent enough they will understand (already told a lot of times ;D)

P.s. Did you ever told it to a friend, or did you just talked with your parents?

If not, first try to talk to someone you trust, listen to his/her opinion and suggestions..
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
I just don't want other to spend their time on my problems (sorry if I've done this on the forum). :-[
But thanks for your suggestion. I shalt try one day perhaps.
Perhaps another way to do it could be to interfere if someone is making an evil joke about gays etc. But again, waiting on stuff like that is probably a bad idea, and sometimes you just have to do it yourself.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: FGFG on December 13, 2009, 11:17:05 AM
If you want other suggestions, send me a PM or write here. If I can I'll help you ;)
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 11:21:29 AM
Thanks a lot. :) You're welcome to write any suggestions you have, and you're welcome to ask me for "help" if I can help with anything.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on December 13, 2009, 12:11:04 PM
Why the name: "Eeeeh... Topic"?

You could have put Autism Talk.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
Why the name: "Eeeeh... Topic"?
I really didn't know what to call the topic...
You could have put Autism Talk.
That's true, but the autism topic was about autism, not this. ;)
We were going off-topic, so it was better with a new topic I guess.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on December 13, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
How about Off Topic Topic?

It's a catchy name.
Title: Re: Eeeeh... Topic
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 12:57:53 PM
How about Off Topic Topic?

It's a catchy name.
Considerable. I could also call it the topic number it was created.
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: deoxy99 on December 13, 2009, 01:01:58 PM
How about calling it Off Topic Topic 842?

You get the best of both worlds.

 ;)

By the way, how do you change the topic name?
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: atomic7732 on December 13, 2009, 02:21:22 PM
Eeeewww! Hannah Montana! lol  ;D

Sorry...  :-[
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: Bla on December 13, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
How about calling it Off Topic Topic 842?
Done. :)
Even though I only chose the best of one world. :P
Topic 842. :P
By the way, how do you change the topic name?
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: deoxy99 on December 14, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
Oh, you change the subject of the first message in the topic to get a different title for the thread.
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: FGFG on January 11, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
not too difficult  ;D
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: deoxy99 on April 06, 2010, 10:29:06 PM
Ok, this is the topic for continuing the discussions in SuperNova's thread (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,974.0.html).
In short, it is about:
(http://www.lagip.com/images/iStock_000001013170XSmall.jpg)
It is about what? A flag? A rainbow? A rainbow flag?
Title: Re: Topic 842
Post by: Bla on April 06, 2010, 10:44:55 PM
The topic is about LGBT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT). I should've written that, sorry. In fact, I think the flag gives a completely wrong image of it all. It gives an image of it being funny and things like that to be a LGBT-person, but it's really not!
But the flag is one of the symbols for it. The pink triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle) is another, a symbol from when the Nazis sent some LGBT-people into concentration camps. But I just don't like pink. :P I think pink gives a wrong image of it too. So it's probably best described without any symbol.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 16, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
Erm, it's my age on here too. Also where's a good place for a first post so that you aren't called a f*g?
I really hope you placed that asterisk instead of an i, or even more nonsensical as an o. If not, please realize that gays are as different as everyone else immediately, and that stereotyping and/or hating people for how they're born is insane.

No, we go off universal time. It's 87.7 until 4 PM California, 5 PM arizona. Then it's 87.8. UNIVERSAL TIME google it
Gay
How can a post be gay?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on January 16, 2011, 11:27:51 PM
Excuse for bump? :P

I really hope you placed that asterisk instead of an i, or even more nonsensical as an o. If not, please realize that gays are as different as everyone else immediately, and that stereotyping and/or hating people for how they're born is insane.

In the USA, it's almost a free country. So they usually do what they want to do.  :-X

How can a post be gay?

Gay can mean stupid, or good in other terms. Or something like that, someone told me about it.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on January 16, 2011, 11:59:31 PM
Good? It usually means "That's stupid!", in the way Darvince used it.

Isn't f*g a cigarrette in England?  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 17, 2011, 08:08:42 AM
Originally gay meant something like a happy person. Then people thought all gays were happy (I can only wonder how they got that impression in societies where it was outlawed), so they were called gays. But people hate gays, so they turning it into a hateful word of course...

So yes, to bigots, gay can mean everything which they don't like. People also call things and people they don't like other words for gay people.

I think hiding the word "gay" under it being "just a new word for stupid, having absolutely nothing to do with gay people" a lie in it's most obvious form. The word is used in a negative way only because bigoted people hate gays, otherwise it would or had never turn into that. And rather than giving up to those bigots, which would also give them the other words for gay people which they use so often about things or people they don't like, I think people should use other words. At least, you cannot deny that when you apply the name of a group of people and use that word to mean something negative, that group of people will see it as an attack or insult of them. Consider if you called something you hated Jewish.

And yes, the word can be used for cigarette in England... But it's also used in other ways which aren't nice.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on January 17, 2011, 09:08:50 AM
WHat did I just do?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 17, 2011, 09:44:15 AM
WHat did I just do?
You called a post gay. This could mean:
1: You used it to show that you didn't like the post by associating it with the negative, stereotypical supposed characteristics of gays.
2: You used it to call the post something similar to "stupid", while not meaning anything related to gay people. But... I wrote about that in my last post.
3: You used it to state that the post was gay, which makes no sense.

And then you wrote:
Erm, it's my age on here too. Also where's a good place for a first post so that you aren't called a f*g?
Looking at this again, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know why my brain ticked off when I read "f*g", but... It all depends on what you mean by it. Do you hate gays? Do you have the slightest tiny problem with them? If so, why?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on January 17, 2011, 10:04:18 AM
I know this isn't posted on me, but I'm pretty okay with gays. Pretty much in California, there is a lot of gays here and tried to do gay marriages. I think our government rejected it (Arnold, don't know about Jerry, the new governor, probably still thinking) so yeah. Then I again, this map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png)
says that in California its pretty much legal.

Ah yes, the government passed a law, so gay marriages should be legal.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 17, 2011, 10:21:39 AM
Good, I'm glad to hear read that. :)

In fact, I think it's a little bit funny that marriage is debated so often, also in my country, where you can enter "civil unions", but can't be married in a church (I wouldn't either if I should, but it's just a tradition), and can't call it "marriage". I think the homophobia at school, high school (and probably also work, I could imagine) is far worse, but it's never discussed. A few homophobic messages, e-mail etc. have been leaked from the far right party in our country, which has more than 10% of the votes, one of them in which someone in their party said "gays should get a beating". Leaked is probably not a good word here, as the bigot was so clever to send it to a wrong person outside the party. ;D But nobody ever mentions that when the party is mentioned, only it's opposition to immigration (which should definitely also be mentioned)... It's just annoying.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on January 17, 2011, 10:51:18 AM
Good, I'm glad to hear read that. :)

stuffstuffstuff

immigration

lol for politically correctness.

Immigration is a big problem here... jdkjsafakfjijfaw SB 1070 just fuels racism and stuff. Arizona is in a bad light from other states right now...  :(
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 17, 2011, 11:09:13 AM
Hm? Arizona was put in a bad light, at least to me, when both it's government-something voted against something related to LGBT rights. But it doesn't mean that all Arizonians/Arizonarians/Arizonans (???) are bigots. It just means that their two government-people are bigots... And, of course, if it's democratic, that at least 50% of their population are bigots. :)
But I assume you're not one of them.

I don't think changing the immigration rules is the right way to counter the racism and stuff, as that's simply letting the racists rule so that they don't complain. Instead, something should be done about the other things which cause racism and stuff.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on January 17, 2011, 11:44:39 AM
Hm? Arizona was put in a bad light, at least to me, when both it's government-something voted against something related to LGBT rights.

What is LGBT? The only thing I can think of is trains, but that is LGB.

lol for politically correctness.

Immigration is a big problem here... jdkjsafakfjijfaw SB 1070 just fuels racism and stuff.

Erm, what is jdkjsafakjijfaw?

I suck.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 17, 2011, 11:48:49 AM
Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender. I never know what to write, but I prefer something which isn't a word if I have to.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FGFG on January 18, 2011, 05:43:05 AM
yeah that's the same with me :)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 10, 2011, 07:22:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s47L-rs7-vk&feature=channel_video_title

Listen to the words. Read the lyrics (http://www.burbler.com/rise-against-make-it-stop-septembers-children-lyrics.html). Listen when it says (Names called), and google their names. Then you'll know why I posted it here.

A very sad song...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 07:42:38 AM
The points are good. I couldn't hear what the names were, though. :( I want to know.
But I guess the whole song has plenty to do with the topic, even without the names.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 07:49:00 AM
Harrisson Chase Brown was one of them that got me to figure out what the whole thing was about. Another one I can hear is Seth Walsh.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 08:20:59 AM
Aha. Didn't find much information about Harrison, but there were some articles about Seth. Thanks.

"Since it was a rumor that went around, everyone thought he was gay." "He started getting teased by the fourth and fifth grade," says Judy Walsh. "By sixth grade, the kids were starting to get mean. By the seventh grade, he was afraid to walk home from school because he was afraid he would get harassed. As he was walking by a classroom, a kid yelled out, 'Queer.' Stuff like that."
The bullying took every form. "It was eye to eye, over the telephone, personal, over the Internet,"

"Several of the kids that we talked to broke down into tears," Jeff Kermode, Tehachapi Police Chief, said. "They had never expected an outcome such as this."

I wonder what they had expected. I have heard about 235 homophobic expressions at high school since October 13 2010. There are only three (including myself) who have not yet made any. That is 2.831 pr. day at school. But how am I going to cooperate with these mindless bigots? They expect me to be social. Idiots. They are the ones who are absolutely the opposite of social: Excluding, egoistic, individualistic elitists. They always hypocritically condemn Danish People's Party for being racist, while spewing out hate themselves.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 09:27:28 AM
These... three or four kids in my old school thought I was gay. It was mean. At least I am away from that evil school now. Schools are evil. Now online schools? I like those kind of schools.

More of deoxy99's Rants and Ramblings at deoxy99rambles.com. :P

Oh no, I'm like Notch now! :P
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Chaotic Cow on March 11, 2011, 12:02:09 PM
I don't mind it. I've know homosexuals and I have been friends with them.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 12:43:57 PM
That's good to hear read. :)
It's always nice knowing that people are accepting of it. I often think about what people I know who know it think about it, and it's very annoying.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: SuperNova on March 11, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
That's good to hear read. :)
It's always nice knowing that people are accepting of it. I often think about what people I know who know it think about it, and it's very annoying.
Bla, Promise me that you'll never commit suicide becuase of what people think of you.
Your amazing, and it doesn't mind what people think, but what you think of yourself.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 02:40:44 PM
That's good to hear read. :)
It's always nice knowing that people are accepting of it. I often think about what people I know who know it think about it, and it's very annoying.
Bla, Promise me that you'll never commit suicide becuase of what people think of you.
Your amazing, and it doesn't mind what people think, but what you think of yourself.  :)
Thanks. :) I won't do that. There's too much which needs to be improved and fought for in this world for me to just leave it, and too many scientific and technological advancements which I need to see. It would be awful to waste the only life I'll ever get.
Thanks for all your support, users of the forum. :)

And good to see you back on the forum. :)

These... three or four kids in my old school thought I was gay. It was mean. At least I am away from that evil school now. Schools are evil. Now online schools? I like those kind of schools.

More of deoxy99's Rants and Ramblings at deoxy99rambles.com. :P

Oh no, I'm like Notch now! :P
Notch is Notch.

Would online schools be a good substitute for normal schools... I've considered that a lot. I've also wished I wouldn't have to school and that I could just get the lessons on the computer, etc. I think one of the important things of the school is to meet people who are different from you, so you learn that the stereotypes ignorant people reinforce are not true.
But you could also meet those people on the internet. There's no guarantee that you'll meet them at school, and obviously people can be horrible towards each other and other people at school also. I've never met another gay. Or rather, I've statistically met many, but not known they were.
But school probably resembles the work environment we have in our current societies more than the internet, and that's mostly what the school is preparing people for. We could also change the work environment. I'm not sure it would be more productive. But there isn't much focus on overall efficiency and productivity in our societies, either, in my opinion.
And certainly the greatest focus of any society should be on creating the highest amount of happiness possible?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
I don't like the ideology of being gay, it just bothers me.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 03:28:59 PM
I think one of the important things of the school is to meet people who are different from you, so you learn that the stereotypes ignorant people reinforce are not true.
Rubbish. No one these days learns anything anymore. Most of them are ignorant idiots who can't understand any common logic. After I've read "Garden of Rama" and listened to some of the songs on Endgame... I have very little hope that humanity will ever overcome the fact that education or enlightenment (spiritual people ftw) cannot overcome greediness and selfishness. I've begun to not care anymore. If it doesn't somehow involve me, my family, or friends... I don't care what happens.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:30:55 PM
No one? Not including me?  >:(

And I think you have just been brainwashed.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 03:31:29 PM
I don't like the ideology of being gay, it just bothers me.
But it's not an ideology. It is simply liking men/guys instead of women/girls, and it's nothing people can change anyways.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
Liking? I thought it was loving... hmm... strange.

Well, I guess in the context that you wrote it... you mean "loving" or something like that...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 03:33:57 PM
No one? Not including me?  >:(

And I think you have just been brainwashed.
That's not the point.

As a matter of fact... Use common sense to determine that in that context "No one" means "most people", suported by the fact that the next sentence says "Most people"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:36:03 PM
After I've read "Garden of Rama" and listened to some of the songs on Endgame... I have very little hope that humanity will ever overcome the fact that education or enlightenment (spiritual people ftw) cannot overcome greediness and selfishness.

Words signifying that you have been brainwashed.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 03:38:09 PM
Yes deoxy99, that's what I meant. What's wrong with it? People can't change it.

Rubbish. No one these days learns anything anymore. Most of them are ignorant idiots who can't understand any common logic.
Agreed.
But what do you mean by "anymore"? Why are you glorifying the past?
After I've read "Garden of Rama" and listened to some of the songs on Endgame... I have very little hope that humanity will ever overcome the fact that education or enlightenment (spiritual people ftw) cannot overcome greediness and selfishness.
Well... The Capitalist society relies on greed and selfishness. And what do you mean by spiritual people getting enlightment?
I've begun to not care anymore. If it doesn't somehow involve me, my family, or friends... I don't care what happens.
Isn't that exactly what you just condemned?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
@ both of you

It's partly a quote from "Garden of Rama", I'm including the fact that if other people believe something, allow them. Don't force your opinions on them.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:39:35 PM
No one? Not including me?  >:(

And I think you have just been brainwashed.
That's not the point.

As a matter of fact... Use common sense to determine that in that context "No one" means "most people", suported by the fact that the next sentence says "Most people"
Umm, no. According to me, "no one" means no person who ever existed, who is existing now, and who will exist.

Most people means a big chunk of people who ever existed, who is existing now, and who will exist.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
@ both of you

It's partly a quote from "Garden of Rama", I'm including the fact that if other people believe something, allow them. Don't force your opinions on them.
Umm... you are brainwashed... :o

Or not? Yes, that actually is a good thing to do. Unless someone believes something outrageously dumb.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 03:40:31 PM
No one? Not including me?  >:(

And I think you have just been brainwashed.
That's not the point.

As a matter of fact... Use common sense to determine that in that context "No one" means "most people", suported by the fact that the next sentence says "Most people"
Umm, no. According to me, "no one" means no person who ever existed, who is existing now, and who will exist.

Most people means a big chunk of people who ever existed, who is existing now, and who will exist.
You don't have to be literal all the time. It's not good for you.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
NeutronStar, read the "[You] are brainwashed..." post again. I edited it.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
I like being literal. There is nothing wrong with it.

NeutronStar, I am a perfectionist. I like things to be perfect. However, I do not care if it is not correct. I want it to be correct, but I do not need it to be correct. (This excludes grammar.)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 03:48:14 PM
@ both of you

It's partly a quote from "Garden of Rama", I'm including the fact that if other people believe something, allow them. Don't force your opinions on them.
I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone. But I do not show any respect for ideologies (like Christianity) which order me killed for ridiculous things. What offers no respect, deserves none.
People can believe what they want. Most Christians don't believe in half of the Bible either, in fact, many people in my country call themselves "Christians", but when asked, it always boils down to some fuzzy "good message" they picked out among all the hate in a book about a god creating faulty people, miserably failing at correcting the mistakes while killing thousands if not millions of people, then changing personality completely (as if an omniscient being didn't know what was right and wrong), then sending himself down to Earth, sacrificing himself to himself and forgiving everyone who accept his ridiculousness.
Sorry, but I don't have respect for these ideas. I have respect for people, not ideas. If anyone's offended, they can be, and there's no right not to be. I am deeply offended by these ideas in the first place. So what? That's why I argue against them, and don't try to ban people for critizising them.

But I'm not intending to force my opinions on others. I am very much intending to show good arguments which can convince other people to agree with me, though, and I am not the slightest ashamed of that.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: deoxy99 on March 11, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
Yes, I do not show respect to Christians that are mean to others and push the ideology down your throat (yes, I used an idiom, I do not care).
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on March 11, 2011, 03:51:00 PM
I'm not forcing my opinions on anyone.
No one was. I'm saying that as part of the thing. If you don't respect the fact that they have a ceratin ideology or w/e, you stil shouldn't force your opinions on them.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 11, 2011, 03:59:11 PM
And I can agree with that. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on March 11, 2011, 08:03:53 PM
How come it seems like there are never any females that are homosexual?
Or is it just because they are more nervous to admit it?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 10, 2011, 09:51:44 AM
Sign a petition to stop Uganda's plans to implement death penalty for gays here. (http://www.avaaz.org/en/uganda_stop_homophobia_petition/?cl=1056900079&v=9045)

How come it seems like there are never any females that are homosexual?
Or is it just because they are more nervous to admit it?
I'm not sure what you mean.
There are about as many females as males who are it, maybe a little less. Is it because you see more gays in the media (like news etc.) than lesbians (females)?
The media is usually biased and wants to forward a particular view on gays/lesbians, and it also has to earn money. Therefore they rarely focus their attention on the normal gays, because more people want to watch their news when they have something different. And thanks to that, a completely wrong image of some people is spread.
This doesn't apply to all news channels, of course. The liberal ones in USA are often positive.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on May 10, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
Signed.
Hard to believe that homosexuality is placed in the same severity as murder and treated as such in some places.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 10, 2011, 10:44:27 AM
Great. :) Even though I think things like Avaaz inflate the description of their influence, such insanity should be fought whereever it is possible, no matter how small the difference will be.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 10, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
Do I have to sign up?  :-\

I'll sign it if I don't. I think if I don't put my real name it could nullify my vote... I don't really want to... I don't know the website. lol
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on May 10, 2011, 06:33:00 PM
Hard to believe that they just want to kill the gays. There's another topic of the Uganda petition in the MC forums too, so I guess this must be really active.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 10, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
Doesn't surprise me the slightest when we have religion.

You don't have to give your real name, but you need to give them an e-mail adress. I just wrote my first name, I think.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 10, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
I don't know how this fits in with the current subject matter, but at my school, some of my friends (and I know most people do this) say "That's gay" or "You're gay" to various people, when (specifically for the latter), they aren't even relating to the actual sexual orientation, almost like saying "You suck", but not really. I've brought the topic up with one of them, and he says "there isn't anything bad about them". He also doesn't say it as much anymore, but he still does. It's stupid that they're just trying to fit in with everyone else.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 10, 2011, 10:40:06 PM
Absolutely. Good job in promoting tolerance.

I see it like saying "that's black" or "you're black". It's ridiculous.

How people use it here... They use it both when it is not related at all and when it is supposedly related. Supposedly because they call things "gay" when they're not related at all, like when my group in the class recently presented an election campaign film project for our Communist party, with three people representing nuclear energy, coal power plants and wind energy, where nuclear energy got angry and blew up, and coal energy was blown away along with its smoke by the windmill. At that time, the background changed from polluted land with a depressing grey sky to a green, grassy background with a blue background a sun. Someone called that "gay", and I know why. Because he thinks all gays are careless people who love flowers.
I was considering saying "so what, our Communist party isn't intolerant. You should go vote for the nazis." But of course I didn't.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: bojo on May 17, 2011, 09:57:22 AM
I don't know how this fits in with the current subject matter, but at my school, some of my friends (and I know most people do this) say "That's gay" or "You're gay" to various people, when (specifically for the latter), they aren't even relating to the actual sexual orientation, almost like saying "You suck", but not really. I've brought the topic up with one of them, and he says "there isn't anything bad about them". He also doesn't say it as much anymore, but he still does. It's stupid that they're just trying to fit in with everyone else.

Im certainly not homophobic (btw hate that word because hatred and ignorance is not an irrational fear, just a sugar coated way of expressing that someone is an asshole lol) I myself am bisexual, and my brother is a gay female to male transgender (ok that's the honestly i'm not against homosexuality bit out of the way).

I really don't see a problem with someone reffering to an inanimate object or a given situation as 'gay'. It's not what was said but the context in which it was used. To be overly sensitive is borderline insane. I don't remember ever reading about happy and carefree people being upset that their special word was now being used to label people of a specific sexuality. Words are a magical thing, they change meanings and usages all the time, and they always will. New ones are invented, and older ones die.

Being liberal, tolerant and compassionate for other peoples rights to live and express themselves, doesn't mean you have to spend your time being overly sensitive and offended on other people's behalves. You can be offended that's fine, it never killed anyone, you'll soon enough get over it. If the word was used in a context that was the reverse of what you consider to be a respectful one, then by all means speak up. But jumping on people for saying something is 'gay' is just a little over the top.

My 2 cents.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: bojo on May 17, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
How come it seems like there are never any females that are homosexual?
Or is it just because they are more nervous to admit it?

Oh there's plenty of gay women. Probably more of them than men, taking into account the male/female population ratios in most countries*.





*This is pure guess work and not to be taken as scientific fact.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 17, 2011, 10:18:53 AM
But why do you think some people call things gay?

Currently a group of people has had that word applied to them. It's not okay to call things you don't like "gay". You might as well call something "Jewish", just saying "it doesn't have anything to do with Jews! I'm just using an identical word with another meaning here!" is a very bad excuse. Especially when I'm almost certain that the "calling things you don't like gay"-meme started by refering to gays, and still largely does that.

The hatred and ignorance is based on the irrational fear of gays somehow being a problem. This fear of a whole group of people is irrational, because you can't just take a large group of people and say they're all the same. It may be mainly hatred and ignorance, but I also think it's irrational fear, too. But hey, the meanings of words change anyways, don't they? :P

Also I'm not liberal, which I don't think has anything to do with being compassionate or tolerant, which I'm trying to, but I agree other people have their right to say it. As long as I can have the right to point out how stupid the things they say are. :) I hope that's not being overly sensitive.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on May 26, 2011, 01:10:21 PM
GENTLEMEN I HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

"Uganda Gay Death Penalty - We Won!!"

"Dear friends,

Uganda's anti-gay law has failed! It looked sure to pass last week, but after 1.6 million petition signatures delivered to Parliament, tens of thousands of phone calls to our own governments, hundreds of media stories about our campaign and a massive global outcry, Ugandan politicians dropped the bill!"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on May 26, 2011, 01:46:10 PM
GENTLEMEN I HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL.

"Uganda Gay Death Penalty - We Won!!"

"Dear friends,

Uganda's anti-gay law has failed! It looked sure to pass last week, but after 1.6 million petition signatures delivered to Parliament, tens of thousands of phone calls to our own governments, hundreds of media stories about our campaign and a massive global outcry, Ugandan politicians dropped the bill!"

M. Bison "Yes Yes!" Widescreen HD reupload (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs#ws)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on May 26, 2011, 03:18:07 PM
EEEEEEE MALES FREAK ME OUT
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 28, 2011, 09:06:58 PM
(http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gaymarrying.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on May 28, 2011, 10:32:07 PM
*presses button*
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 28, 2011, 11:22:10 PM
*presses button*

(http://www.deviantart.com/download/205489975/facepalm_failure_by_epicfacepalm6000-d3ecd2v.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on May 29, 2011, 07:55:34 AM
No I pressed the teal button
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 29, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
No I pressed the teal button

...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 01, 2011, 08:09:19 AM
This one is a small petition to remove a ridiculous, stereotyping application for androids, which is spreading ignorance about the reason why some people are gay.
http://www.allout.org/en/actions/androidapp (http://www.allout.org/en/actions/androidapp)

I signed it. The ones hosting the petition will probably send you e-mail,s but in the one I just received you can choose not to get more e-mails from them. I know Avaaz sends a lot of e-mails which might be annoying, so sorry about not saying that when I posted the last poll.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 01, 2011, 09:38:17 PM
[REDACTED]

...Wow... I did not know we had...just wow... I'm not Shure I could give my speech without possibly offending you so...yeah...


Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 02, 2011, 01:09:22 AM
...Wow... I did not know we had...just wow... I'm not Shure I could give my speech without possibly offending you so...yeah...
What? Just say it. I want to know who I should consider friends or enemies.
If you can't consider people who are born the way they are 100% equal to everybody else, it's you who's something wrong with, not me.

You pretty much "offended" me with that message already, or at least, from the way it's written, I can see you're against equality. I'm not going to waste my time being friendly towards such ignorant people.

If that's a misunderstanding of your message, just tell me.

If it isn't, you should really realize that you're being just as irrational and bigoted as any racist.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 02, 2011, 07:50:58 AM
...Wow... I did not know we had...just wow... I'm not Shure I could give my speech without possibly offending you so...yeah...
What? Just say it. I want to know who I should consider friends or enemies.
If you can't consider people who are born the way they are 100% equal to everybody else, it's you who's something wrong with, not me.

You pretty much "offended" me with that message already, or at least, from the way it's written, I can see you're against equality. I'm not going to waste my time being friendly towards such ignorant people.

If that's a misunderstanding of your message, just tell me.

If it isn't, you should really realize that you're being just as irrational and bigoted as any racist.

I didn't know you misinterpreted it as that. I just wanted to post to see if you people were just joking along or something. I guess it is my fault for only reading the first page of there are lots more content. I would have never suspected that you were gay in the first place. And I don't give a *insert random insult here* about this gay shit. Martin Luther king jr took the first step back in the 20th century, and I guess we might be doing the same thing here. We would all become equal.

Honestly, if my best friend was gay then.. I would not care. You would never know. They could be transgendered at birth and have the instinct... Or they could just find their same sex more attractive.

I just want to say to you: "Cool. Finding out more about my fellow members is cool and all.. BUT I HATE GAYS!!! Jk. I honestly "don't care" about what people are as long as they act mature and all.. So yeah, it's cool to know and all.



TLDR; I don't care if you are gay,mentally disordered,racist(ok, I care about this one), as long as you act like a mature, smart, casual human being.


Thanks for reading this.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 02, 2011, 08:04:32 AM
Why are you mixing matureness into it? Why are you placing it next to mental disorders or being racist? Being racist is like being against equality for gays, and being gay is not a mental disorder.
And being transgendered has nothing to do with it at all.
If I didn't act like a mature, smart, casual human being, why would you care if I were gay in that case? It has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

So you consider gays 100% equal to everybody else?

I don't see what there is to joke about at all.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 02, 2011, 08:13:05 AM
Quote
So you consider gays 100% equal to everybody else?



Yes. Yes I do!


We are born just plain and empty. Life is the Ultimate sandbox. You do what you want to do. If someone calls you stupid for being gay, well, they are in the sandbox too. Just remember we are all equal no matter what. The Criminal who killed 2972937 people is still equal. He just has a lot of people against him.




Yes, we are all Equal from Birth to death.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 02, 2011, 08:23:51 AM
Humans are born with human genes, they do not choose to be humans when they are born. Gays are born with genes which makes them gay, that is a more than 99% certain fact. It would be an obvious choice to choose not being gay if you had the choice, considering the attitudes in societies towards them. I see no reason to pretend it's a choice.

Anyway, good to see that...
Yes. Yes I do!
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 02, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
Woah, I did not know that. So that means out there there are gay horses, gay crabs, gay cats, etc.


That's new
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 02, 2011, 08:44:33 AM
Not at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)

Though that fact wouldn't have to imply that it existed in other animals, if those genes only existed within humans. The percentages are also different in other animals. Some species are entirely bisexual, for example.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 07, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
And apparently one of my cats is lesbian.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on October 07, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
wait waht...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 21, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
Russia's conservative party is trying to ban speaking about being an LGBT person in public. People who want to help stopping them can sign on this page:
http://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia_silenced/ (http://www.allout.org/en/actions/russia_silenced/)
You will get e-mail from them, but you can click a link at the bottom of their e-mail to unsubscribe.



The e-mail I got:
We've been talking all weekend with our friend Sasha - a teacher and mom in Russia - and what we're hearing is horrifying. On Wednesday, political leaders in St. Petersburg are voting on a new law that will make it illegal to speak in public about being gay, lesbian or transgender.

Sasha and a broad coalition in Russia are doing everything they can to stop the bill. Yesterday, they organized one of the biggest demonstrations ever in support of equality - but still the international community is not paying attention. They need support from around the world - and they need it fast.

www.allout.org/russia_silenced (http://www.allout.org/russia_silenced)

Because Russia is powerful, most world leaders have stayed silent. But if we raise our voices now, we'll shine an international spotlight on the issue that will be impossible to ignore.  

Will you take 2 minutes to add your voice to our urgent call? We'll deliver the petition to Russian embassies around the world and push the issue to the top of the international agenda:

www.allout.org/russia_silenced (http://www.allout.org/russia_silenced)

If the law passes this week in St. Petersburg, it could quickly lead to a crushing of freedoms throughout all of Russia. Moscow, the largest city in the country, already said they were looking into passing the same law - paving the way for officials to make it national. Our friends in Russia believe that stopping the bill in St. Petersburg can derail the plan to take this law nationwide.  Many around the world have been reluctant to criticize the ruling party led by President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin, but their party appointed both the mayors of Moscow and St. Petersburg and they've gone on record in support of the proposed laws.  

Russia is already a dangerous place to be out and open as an lesbian, gay, bi or trans (LGBT) person. Courageous pride marchers were brutally attacked and detained by Moscow police last summer - for the simple act of holding their heads up high in public. If this bill passes, even the small victories that the LGBT movement in Russia has won will be wiped out - and pride marches, cultural festivals, and even the distribution of leaflets in the streets will be considered illegal.

Moments like this highlight exactly why we launched All Out just under a year ago: to stand with our friends around the world when they’re under attack, and to keep opportunistic governments from playing politics with fundamental rights. Please sign this urgent call, share it with your friends, and stand in solidarity with our brave friends in Russia - Coming Out, Side by Side LGBT Film Festival, and the Russian LGBT-Network - who are refusing to be silenced:

www.allout.org/russia_silenced (http://www.allout.org/russia_silenced)

All the best and All Out,
Andre, Emmy, Erika, Flavia, Guillaume, Jeremy, Joseph, Nita, Oli, Tile, Wesley and the rest of the team at All Out



SOURCES:

Russian lawmakers back fines for gay 'propaganda'
www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iN30TwwunCPBtqr3Pnt0fxHgrRaQ?docId=CNG.4a103f4c12c31f010418ccb1595560e0.371 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iN30TwwunCPBtqr3Pnt0fxHgrRaQ?docId=CNG.4a103f4c12c31f010418ccb1595560e0.371)

Russian's protest: detained by police
www.thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/11/17/371135/russians-protest-st-petersburgs-anti-gay-propaganda-law-with-lunch-plates-are-detained-by-police/ (http://www.thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/11/17/371135/russians-protest-st-petersburgs-anti-gay-propaganda-law-with-lunch-plates-are-detained-by-police/)

Tolerance, not gay bans
www.themoscownews.com/editorial/20111117/189213196.html (http://www.themoscownews.com/editorial/20111117/189213196.html)

Russia's war against rainbows
www.latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/russias-war-against-rainbows/ (http://www.latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/russias-war-against-rainbows/)

Russia’s gays under attack as MPs back fines for ‘gay promotion’
en.ria.ru/analysis/20111118/168818571.html
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on January 13, 2012, 02:29:32 PM


Wait what???!!! You ran away from your home at age 15? Wtf.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 13, 2012, 02:44:09 PM
You do silly things when you're 15... *Takes 17-clever-glasses on.*
Uhh. But it had to be that day, because that was a special international day of human rights or something. And I was extremely angry.

Requesting dequotement.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on January 13, 2012, 02:47:40 PM
You do silly things when you're 15... *Takes 17-clever-glasses on.*
Uhh. But it had to be that day, because that was a special international day of human rights or something. And I was extremely angry.

Requesting dequotement.

It'd be cool if you were the next MLK Jr.

And what do you mean by "requesting dequotment"?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on May 23, 2012, 06:53:32 PM
Bump.

So Obama is beginning to support LGBT to have the same equalities as us.

President Obama and the Fight for LGBT Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb60nFeJsNc#ws)

(https://store.barackobama.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/f/ofaxxxx_lgbt_quoteposter.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on May 23, 2012, 07:05:16 PM
Go Barack! You're my favorite president because of this.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on May 23, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Of course he would do this during the election campaigns, I bet you that as soon as he got reelected he would oppose it once again. (not endoring republican candidates, they never will anyways)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on May 23, 2012, 10:06:52 PM
did he ever actually oppose it publicly?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on May 23, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
He supported them since he became senator in Illinois.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on May 23, 2012, 11:56:23 PM
hmm. conservaparents making things up to make their world seem a little bit better then, probabla.
Title: LGBT PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO CAMPS
Post by: FiahOwl on May 30, 2012, 07:55:35 AM
Send LGBT people to Camps

Local Pastor Calls For Death of 'Queers & Homosexuals' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2n7vSPwhSU#ws)
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/21/north-carolina-pastor-send-lgbt-people-to-concentration-camps-to-die/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/21/north-carolina-pastor-send-lgbt-people-to-concentration-camps-to-die/)



I think it is a good idea, LGBT's should go into camps and enjoy mother nature's course and have some s'mores and tell stories by the campfire. Hetero people should be allowed to go into camps with the LGBT's too. I reccomend the Appalachian mountains. A camping trip for a week would do good to the soul.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on May 30, 2012, 08:07:54 AM
Uhh wut Fiah, a cozy camp with a campfire for a week in a nice free forest with voluntary people is not the same as being forced to live behind an electrified fence. Well I guess you just meant it for fun anyway, so whatever.

Here's a defense to the video before. That person makes no sense whatsoever.
Church member defends Pastor Worley's Anti-Gay Rant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez0AMf2U5RU#ws)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on May 30, 2012, 08:17:29 AM
Oh wow all that church needed was a few swastika banners and I'd actually be tricked into thinking it was coloured WW2 footage.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on June 03, 2012, 06:39:58 PM
LGBT progress during Obama administration. (http://www.barackobama.com/lgbt/progress?source=socnet_20120603_BO_FB_LGBT_TIMELINE_SIGNON&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120603_BO_FB_LGBT_TIMELINE_SIGNON)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on June 03, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
nids more lgbtqps
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 10, 2012, 04:51:18 AM
okokok bla, i apologize for being completely homophobic and anti-gays in the past, but i now accept that i was a bigot.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 10, 2012, 04:52:54 AM
Kol no problem. :P
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on July 16, 2012, 10:27:21 PM
Go Hollande!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/29/us-france-homosexual-idUSBRE85S1DC20120629 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/29/us-france-homosexual-idUSBRE85S1DC20120629)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 16, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
go yurup
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on July 16, 2012, 11:16:12 PM
whoo france
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Nice France.

Denmark legalized it (except in Greenland and Faroe Islands) on June 15th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Denmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Denmark)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on July 20, 2012, 07:51:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/n2sKj.png)
Come on, UK, get it together.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on July 20, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
yay massachusetts
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 20, 2012, 03:12:32 PM
kol europe
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on July 25, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
At least Scotland's getting the act together.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18981287 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18981287)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 25, 2012, 02:17:50 PM
Meanwhile in Africa.........

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/646583-us-evangelical-christians-accused-of-promoting-homophobia-in-africa (http://richarddawkins.net/articles/646583-us-evangelical-christians-accused-of-promoting-homophobia-in-africa)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 25, 2012, 03:24:35 PM
inb4 20 countries legalize gay marriage the day pat robertson dies
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 27, 2012, 05:12:03 PM
Hm. I'm so tired of religion. Just like, find another, preferably very, very, very barren, planet to mess up.
Inside Story: US 2012 - Are US evangelicals exporting anti-gay views? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE9-ywkuSc#ws)

Also I'm not sure if I ever posted the video, which explains a lot more about the issue here. Watched it 1-2 years ago, I think, and then it became unavailable because you have to be over 18 unless it's embedded in some funny way, maybe. But I guess it was just a flagbot or something since the videos seem available even when I'm not logged in. At least I don't remember there being any really 18+ content in them, but I may be wrong. But it was very interesting, something I'm not going to forget watching.

Missionaries Of Hate - Vanguard - Part 1/5 (720p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1tyYFicXo#ws)
Missionaries Of Hate - Vanguard - Part 2/5 (720p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0eTyfw7nyI#ws)
Missionaries Of Hate - Vanguard - Part 3/5 (720p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR1tvZ91C3s#ws)
Missionaries Of Hate - Vanguard - Part 4/5 (720p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKvq6aVp34I#ws)
Missionaries Of Hate - Vanguard - Part 5/5 (720p HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZs2SazDBVE#ws)

GAYS ARE STUPID
You edited the post in May to add this? Why.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 27, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
probably has conservaparents
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 27, 2012, 06:09:51 PM
Just watched the Missionaries of Hate videos again, I guess I didn't post them because the antigays in the videos portrayed gays in extremely negative ways by equating them with all sorts of things, like eating poo, which it obviously has nothing to do with, but it's still annoying to see blatant lies like that just being spread. But I guess people are critical enough to realize things like that.
What a horrible place this world is.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 27, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
focus on the positive things
inb4 "there are no positive things"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on July 27, 2012, 06:50:54 PM
What a horrible place this world is.
Very.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 28, 2012, 03:46:09 AM
focus on the positive things
But there are no positive things.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on July 28, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
oshit
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on July 28, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
But there are no very few positive things.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on July 30, 2012, 03:02:44 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m66s981xTk1rt8sgdo1_500.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5uskyOtAg1rt8sgdo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 09, 2012, 08:09:20 AM
A letter someone wrote to his son when he came out as gay:

 “James: This is a difficult but necessary letter to write. I hope your telephone call was not to receive my blessing for the degrading of your lifestyle. I have fond memories of our times together, but that is all in the past.
Don’t expect any further conversations with me. No communications at all. I will not come to visit, nor do I want you in my house.
You’ve made your choice though wrong it may be. God did not intend for this unnatural lifestyle.
If you choose not to attend my funeral, my friends and family will understand.
Have a good birthday and good life. No present exchanges will be accepted.
Goodbye, Dad.”

(http://skepticlawyer.com.au/files/2012/08/The-letter.jpg)



Quote
5 years on and I am still doing fine, though this letter saunters into my mind every once in a while. When it does, I say without hesitation: Fuck you, Dad.



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"This biological parent is most assuredly not a father." (http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2012/08/08/res-ipsa-loquitur/the-letter/)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/08/07/gay-man-publishes-fathers-letter-disowning-him/ (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/08/07/gay-man-publishes-fathers-letter-disowning-him/)

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/09/i-would-just-like-to-say-to-my-kids/ (http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/08/09/i-would-just-like-to-say-to-my-kids/)

Quote
It was shellfish, right? He ate shellfish in front of his father.

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The son is still the better man… if this letter had come to me, and if I had decided to share it with the internet, I would have written my father’s name, so that this letter would show up for anyone googling him.
Sadly, this would probably reveal his own name as well, but otherwise, well deserved.



How sad that such people can actually become parents.

What the best response would be, I think: All the other family members should write a similar letter to the parent who did something like this, so it would become isolated from it. It should get its own hate back times ten.
But I guess most family members wouldn't do that, sadly.



Also an interesting blog post.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/08/09/disgusting/ (http://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2012/08/09/disgusting/)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on August 09, 2012, 03:37:43 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxvsokonIQ1qh6d7ro1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on August 12, 2012, 05:26:01 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gywvRg0j1qgu9k8o1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on August 12, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
lgbtpqagkdke > glow: gay, lesbian, or whatever.

kol.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on August 12, 2012, 07:15:35 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8gywvRg0j1qgu9k8o1_1280.jpg)
kol, hamster was like "EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW EEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" when she saw it
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 13, 2012, 04:05:42 AM
"That was when the Earth wasn't populated" uhh......... Why can't the chart just be honest and say, Adam and Eve never existed...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on August 13, 2012, 05:59:47 AM
"That was when the Earth wasn't populated" uhh......... Why can't the chart just be honest and say, Adam and Eve never existed...
Well then it might as well say "the Bible is wrong, contradicts itself, and was written by people" or something similar. Hey, a small step is better than no step, right?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 13, 2012, 08:04:01 AM
Not necessarily, that would be a much bigger step than stating the fact that the entire human population doesn't go back to Adam and Eve. Most christians don't believe in that, afaik, and the catholic church officially doesn't either. It's simply a fact that they didn't exist. Just the genetic implications of two humans populating the planet through generations of incest.... Only to be wiped out in a flood and starting over again... It's so ridiculous and stupid that I think the chart should just direct whoever would literally believe that down to the blue box or something similar, "the part of the human population with functioning brains will advance without you, bye". :P

I mean, the argument rests on a false premise (that Adam and Eve existed). Just tell them their premise is wrong instead of accepting their false premise and make up answers based on that. The chart is dealing with "arguments" after all.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on September 11, 2012, 10:10:34 PM
"David Wilson and Julie Goodridge, two of the plaintiffs whose case led to the legalization of marriage equality in Massachusetts, described meeting with Romney to discuss their experiences. According to Wilson, “it was like talking to a robot. No expression, no feeling.” At one point, Romney remarked, “I didn’t know you had families.” Goodridge recalls her final exchange with the governor, which proved to her that he had “no capacity for empathy”:

GOODRIDGE: Governor Romney, tell me — what would you suggest I say to my 8 year-old daughter about why her mommy and her ma can’t get married because you, the governor of her state, are going to block our marriage?

ROMNEY: I don’t really care what you tell your adopted daughter. Why don’t you just tell her the same thing you’ve been telling her the last eight years."

not a ton more (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/09/11/831201/romneys-insensitivity-to-lgbt-people-i-didnt-know-you-had-families/)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on September 27, 2012, 12:40:34 PM
The stupidity of some people...... it burns....

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11093426#p11093426 (http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=11093426#p11093426)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on September 27, 2012, 12:43:23 PM
KOL THAT THREAD

Quote from: Voerdeland";p="11092596
God hates fags! If we legalise gays they will want to legalise pedophilia and zoophilia as well! They're all perverts, you know...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on September 27, 2012, 12:52:50 PM
KOL THAT THREAD

Quote from: Voerdeland";p="11092596
God hates fags! If we legalise gays they will want to legalise pedophilia and zoophilia as well! They're all perverts, you know...

WHY, THIS SLOPE IS OH SO SLIPPERY THEY SHOULD PUT UP SIGNS OR SOMETHING WOOOAAAHHH
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 03, 2012, 05:43:18 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mii0iawP1qfb46yo1_400.png)
^
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 18, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
Kolkute story komrade.

Gay Penguins Become Adoptive Parents on Fyn

For some time a pair of king penguins in Odense Zoo has been broody.

Their desire to be parents has been so ardent that during the breeding season this year they began to brood on dead herrings, although they both are both males, according to Anne Høyby from Odense Zoo.

And now it has astonishingly succeded. Not to create a young out of dead herrings, but to give the penguin couple a penguin young which they can take care of.

Whore Among the Penguins

This is how it happened:

Normally king penguins only lay one egg during the breeding season. Among the penguins in the zoo, there was, however, a female penguin which first teamed with one male. While she was with him, she laid an egg, but afterwards she left him and the egg for another male penguin.

While she was with him, she produced another egg, but then left him as well and egg number two.

According to Odense Zoo this was not appropriate for the rejected males, who now stood with eggs but no mate, when king penguins are highly dependent on their mates during incubation.

Brooding With Roll of Fat

King penguins hatch eggs by placing them on their feet, and then put their brooding-roll of fat* over the egg.

They are faithfully following the egg until their mate takes over the duty. Therefore it did not look good for the abandoned males, who stood alone with their eggs.

The keepers therefore made the decision to let the two childless gay penguins, who have been a couple for several years, adopt one egg from one of the two abandoned males.

Got Artificial Eggs

In order to ensure that they could handle the task, they got an artificial egg to practice on. When zookeepers could see that they did the job fine, the penguins got the right egg.

The male penguins handled the task of incubating the egg. The young was born a few weeks ago, and it thrives and grows as it should.

Keepers now know that if they come in a similar situation, then the adoptive parents are ready, they tell from Odense Zoo.

Zoologist Nina Christensen also says that the kid from the other egg also hatched. The rejected father managed to handle the incubation himself.

Among king penguins and other birds, it is common to form pairs for a lifetime. It is also known that females or males pairs with the same sex. Less usual, however, that these breed chicks.

Source: http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2012/10/18/203313.htm (http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2012/10/18/203313.htm)

*This may sound ridiculous, but I simply can't find any English translation for it which makes sense. It's a fat blob thing on their stomach I think.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on October 18, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
The brooding flap.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 18, 2012, 04:29:11 PM
lgbt thread is always bla going off the deep end and wanting to suicide
or
bla complaining about assholes using christianity as an excuse for their homophobia then bla blaming the christianity
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 18, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
Might be blubber? Unless that's just in mammals.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 20, 2012, 10:58:23 AM
Epic tr0lling is epic.

Anti-Gay Rant w/Surprise Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iohQID8SY2M#)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 22, 2012, 09:34:33 PM
http://xkcd.com/438/ (http://xkcd.com/438/) this is relevant to this topic
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on November 27, 2012, 06:58:58 PM
(http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/2012/11/blogs/graphic-detail/20121124_wom984_1.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on November 27, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
I don't understand why countries hold back on allowing full unhindered rights. You've gotten this far, just go full steam ahead.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 27, 2012, 09:28:19 PM
i don't get "marriage prohibited"

does it mean that the states do not recognize same sex marriages done in other states?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 27, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
prohibit - Formally forbid a person or group from doing something.

So yes it basically means there's no option to do it. It maybe no be specifically "forbidden" or with consequence but it isn't allowed either.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on November 27, 2012, 09:59:34 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 03, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
"Homosexuality exists in at least 450 species. Homophobia is found only in one. Which seems unnatural now?"

Kol.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: TheMooCows on November 03, 2013, 01:42:17 PM
"Kids React to Gay Marriage"
Well, let's see if any kids have been corrupted by society to be homophobes!
Kids React to Gay Marriage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJxnYgP6D8#ws)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: TheMooCows on November 05, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Slowly I am starting to understand Bla's desire to crush everything hetero...
Sh*t Homophobic People Say (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEmHcz-SBs#ws)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on November 05, 2013, 09:36:25 PM
if it's a legitimate homophobia, the body has ways to shut that kind of thing down
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 05, 2013, 10:54:56 PM
Crush! Crush! Burn! Burn!
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 06, 2013, 06:25:45 AM
MUST. CRUSH. BIGOTRY.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 06, 2013, 06:35:29 AM
Good idea comrade! Crush! Destroy! Crush! Destroy!
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 07, 2013, 12:50:45 PM
"Homophobia is an evil in this world, I equate it with racism and sexism.  They are all the same vile social sickness, merely differing in their target.  The world would be a better place if those suffering from this vile social cancer of hatred got treated and became well.  There is nothing wrong with being gay.  I am proud to be a straight ally to the LGBTQ community and remain so.  I can marry the woman I love, why can't my friend marry the woman she loves?  Sheer ignorance and stupidity by people who should know better is why sadly.  Homophobia is evil."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeqOFo7MRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeqOFo7MRw)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 07, 2013, 04:33:51 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-29-2013/last-gay-standing (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-29-2013/last-gay-standing)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 17, 2013, 12:50:54 PM
Meanwhile in Russia, religious, conservative pollution scores 10 on hypocricy as it compares homosexuality to fascism only seconds apart from saying they should be burned alive in ovens.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/dec/16/russian-actor-ivan-okhlobystin-oven-homosexuals-burned-alive (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/dec/16/russian-actor-ivan-okhlobystin-oven-homosexuals-burned-alive)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on December 17, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
What the fuck.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on December 17, 2013, 01:08:44 PM
Quote
The actor's latest voice turn is as a mean troll named Orm in the Russian animation The Snow Queen
Well well they've got an actual monster to voice the character which is an interesting choice.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 17, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Indeed, and the name "Orm" fits him very well.

It means "worm" in Danish.

I mean, ok it doesn't fit very well.

That would be a terrible insult to worms.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on January 19, 2014, 08:56:43 AM
fun fact: if everyone in my school was to write down the definition and an example of gayness half of them would fail
example
definition: if u touch people
example: like once i sawed a person sticking his tounghe out.. so gay
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: TheMooCows on January 19, 2014, 09:29:24 AM
Probably true most places
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: smjjames on January 20, 2014, 08:44:49 AM
Meanwhile in Russia, religious, conservative pollution scores 10 on hypocricy as it compares homosexuality to fascism only seconds apart from saying they should be burned alive in ovens.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/dec/16/russian-actor-ivan-okhlobystin-oven-homosexuals-burned-alive (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/dec/16/russian-actor-ivan-okhlobystin-oven-homosexuals-burned-alive)

I notice the guy is a presidential wannabe. If such an extremist actually did come to power (Putin is more Cold War relic than extremist IMO) and actually started doing that kind of stuff, well, the international outcry would be hotter than the sun, with Germany leading the way because history.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 22, 2014, 11:16:05 AM
Kol YouTube discussions

From the number of thumbs up it's good to see that there seem to be many people who refuse to accept the antigay fools polluting the world and want to put an end to it.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on February 07, 2014, 06:55:51 AM
Positive.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on February 07, 2014, 07:23:52 AM
I also noticed the smaller ver sion looks like a certain flag.
(https://www.google.co.uk/logos/doodles/2014/2014-winter-olympics-5710368030588928.3-res.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on February 07, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
Oh I thought that doodle was only in America and Russia
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: smjjames on February 13, 2014, 09:39:21 AM
Yet more hypocracy from Russia, via reading CNN ticker:

"The Russian president (the person who is NOT Putin) signed a bill banning same sex couples from adopting children" WAIT, theres MORE "and banned single parents from countries that support gay marriage (as well as russia maybe?) from adopting children on the basis that they could turn out to be gay and enter a same sex marriage"

Utter and complete logical fallacy there, I'm not sure which one, but it's definetly the one that applies one single gay parent case to ALL single parent cases, gay or otherwise. It's like calling all single mom households, gay households.

They're really shooting themselves in the foot here.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on February 13, 2014, 09:41:17 AM
Quote
"and banned single parents from countries that support gay marriage (as well as russia maybe?) from adopting children on the basis that they could turn out to be gay and enter a same sex marriage"

wat
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: smjjames on February 13, 2014, 09:54:01 AM
Quote
"and banned single parents from countries that support gay marriage (as well as russia maybe?) from adopting children on the basis that they could turn out to be gay and enter a same sex marriage"

wat

A little more in depth:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10635821/Russia-bans-adoptions-from-countries-that-allow-gay-marriage.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10635821/Russia-bans-adoptions-from-countries-that-allow-gay-marriage.html)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/13/world/europe/russia-same-sex-marriage-adoption-ban/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/13/world/europe/russia-same-sex-marriage-adoption-ban/)

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304434104579380613782162016?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304434104579380613782162016.html (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304434104579380613782162016?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304434104579380613782162016.html)

It looks like a blanket ban on single person adoptions, whether or not they are gay.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 13, 2014, 08:38:41 AM
This person is a disgrace to humanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on March 13, 2014, 01:07:35 PM
Quote
Along with Kevin E. Abrams, Lively co-authored the book The Pink Swastika, which states in the preface that "homosexuals [are] the true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind many Nazi atrocities".[8]

yeah i am sure the Jews and gypsies orchestrated the holocaust too.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on March 13, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
This (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=367) person is a grace to humanity.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on March 13, 2014, 07:45:35 PM
Quote
Towards the end of the century Henry Havelock Ellis, psychologist and pioneer in the scientific study of sex, published Sexual Inversion in which he presents over 80 case studies of homosexual males. In it, he concludes that gay behaviour is not a disease or a crime and that it is also un-modifiable. As a result the bookseller who stocked the study was prosecuted and the book itself was declared obscene.
http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/attitudes-towards-homosexuality-in-victorian-england-12911/ (http://www.humanities360.com/index.php/attitudes-towards-homosexuality-in-victorian-england-12911/)

Pretty interesting, that even though there was this evidence available in the 1800s, it was surpressed.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on July 24, 2014, 09:12:50 AM
GLADD released report judging Hollywood films released in 2013.

http://www.glaad.org/sri/2014
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lovechild on August 02, 2014, 04:59:09 PM
well Bla, prepare to not feel quite so alone ;)

I identify as queer, which to me means more than 'homosexual', it means something similar to 'bisexual' but regarding all gender identities. my own saying is... 'people, not parts.' I don't care what's in somebody's pants, I care about what is in their minds and hearts. also faces, I care about faces. :P

I come from one of those small towns where everybody knows everybody. it's entirely white and entirely Christian. most of the time I get taken as being straight, apparently I'm too straight-acting to be a lesbian, and of course bisexuals don't exist. (seriously, my parents still ask me from time to time if I 'decided' which sex I like.)

over the past year LGBT rights in 'murica have shot forward. by the time I moved back home in June, after 7 months of being away, 12 gay marriage bans had been declared unconstitutional. in the past two months we've seen no less than 8 more. there are now less than 20 states awaiting judicial review. it seems the gay marriage fight will be over in a year – as soon as these court cases make it to the Supreme Court.

needless to say, it's been a great year for us. the ban in my state was struck down last month. it's a nice thing not having to worry about whether I can or cannot get married to theoretical love interests in the future.  :)

go team LGBT. we've still got a long way to go. there's still anti-discrimination protections, housing rights, employment rights, and the transgender rights fight is just starting to pick up steam.

gonna be an interesting century.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Josh on August 07, 2014, 12:14:48 PM
I'd like to add that I am also part of the LGBT+ community, and came out as gay back in September of 2011. Virtually everyone I know now knows of it, and I'm proud to say it.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 07, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
Congrats :)
Title: Re: Birthday
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
reel mans aske for n0 hpy burdayss

BTW, happy burday

Then nobody here is a man, although I don't know if LGBT's classify as their original gender

Edit: Quote added by Bla for context as topic was split and moved
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Bla on October 14, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
Then nobody here is a man, although I don't know if LGBT's classify as their original gender
LGB do, T doesn't
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
some however reject normal gender roles so aren't as masculine or feminine as their straight counterparts. transgender people are the other gender, they were just born with the wrong body. however, they desire to be fully the opposite gender or sometimes a non-binary gender such as agender or bigender
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Bla on October 14, 2014, 11:10:54 AM
some however reject normal gender roles so aren't as masculine or feminine as their straight counterparts.
Being straight has nothing to do with being masculine and straight people can equally reject gender roles.

transgender people are the other gender, they were just born with the wrong body. however, they desire to be fully the opposite gender or sometimes a non-binary gender such as agender or bigender
Transgender means you don't identify with your henitals or shenitals, you don't have to be the opposite. You can be anything.

Tl;dr: T is the only of the 4 that alter whether you're classified as your "original" gender (or probably more accurately sex) or not.
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 11:15:59 AM
Answered my question, thanks

I am somewhat Gender Fluid since I drift between straight and asexual
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Bla on October 14, 2014, 11:17:05 AM
Answered my question, thanks

I am somewhat Gender Fluid since I drift between straight and asexual
They're sexualities (or lack of), not genders :P
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Answered my question, thanks

I am somewhat Gender Fluid since I drift between straight and asexual
They're sexualities (or lack of), not genders :P

Gender Fluid is considered a sexuality
Title: Re: Re: Birthday
Post by: Bla on October 14, 2014, 12:00:25 PM
Gender Fluid is considered a sexuality
I don't think so - gender isn't sexuality and searching I find

"Being Gender Fluid has nothing to do with which set of genitalia one has, nor their sexual orientation." (gender, not sexuality)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gender%20fluid

"Not conforming to fixed gender roles." (gender, not sexuality)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/genderfluid

"People who identify as genderqueer may think of themselves as one or more of the following: moving between genders (gender fluid)" (gender, not sexuality)
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Genderqueer

You mentioned drifting between straight and asexual, gender fluid is drifting between identifying as male/female or something like that.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on October 14, 2014, 12:08:52 PM
Sexuality is who you're into.
Sex is your physical genitals (and probably dimorphic features like breasts).
Gender is who you are mentally.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 12:16:20 PM
Then I am Sexuality Fluid
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 12:29:03 PM
Not really, drifting between being sexual and asexual is more of times when you are rather sexual and times where you are barely sexual.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 12:31:52 PM
Slowly I am starting to understand Bla's desire to crush everything hetero...

Boooo...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
shut and watch
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 12:32:57 PM
>Heteros are bigots

The irony
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on October 14, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
aesexuality is complete and consistent absence of sexual drive or desire.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
shut and watch
none of us ever stated that heterosexual people are automatically bigoted
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 12:34:39 PM
aesexuality is complete and consistent absence of sexual drive or desire.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
shut and watch
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 14, 2014, 12:35:37 PM
I don't want to wake anyone
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 14, 2014, 12:37:03 PM
shut and watch
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on October 14, 2014, 09:40:08 PM
i like the boys and the girls indeed that is me
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on October 15, 2014, 08:31:19 PM
Sexuality is who you're into.
Sex is your physical genitals (and probably dimorphic features like breasts).
Gender is who you are mentally.
i like this
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 06:46:25 AM
I switch randomly in between asexual and heterosexual. Does this mean I am LGBT?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on October 21, 2014, 07:49:06 AM
are you by chance a two-spirited transandrogyn griffin-kin?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 07:53:15 AM
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131014154717/wreckitralph/images/7/7e/King_candy_yeth.png)

Asexual≠Androgyn
Fluid≠TwoSpirit

Do I look like I have feathers and claws?



1981- Reagan Administration ignores first AIDS outbreaks, labeling it "gay disease", killing thousands

The homophobia is strong, no?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 21, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
I switch randomly in between asexual and heterosexual. Does this mean I am LGBT?
LGBT is lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, asexual and heterosexual aren't any of these.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 08:33:19 AM
That's if you want to be specific, although I think LGBT is used to describe all non-traditional genders/sexualities.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 21, 2014, 09:22:05 AM
That's if you want to be specific, although I think LGBT is used to describe all non-traditional genders/sexualities.
LGBT stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, and that's what it describes. :P
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
fascist...

Fine. Do I count as non-traditional or am I just in an unsteady state?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 21, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
no if you're "sometimes" asexual it just means you aren't very sexual
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 10:39:17 AM
No it means that sometimes I "am a man" and sometimes I find intercourse unappealing and sometimes even "disgusting".
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on October 21, 2014, 11:11:29 AM
It's normal to more easily attracted to people at certain times than others...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 21, 2014, 11:14:54 AM
I don't know. Maybe I just need to get my sex ed on. Seriously I still haven't taken any sort of basic sex ed and I feel knowledge-poor.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Naru523 on October 21, 2014, 05:40:37 PM
In other news in the USA, Wyoming decided not to appeal to the court. So that adds up to 32 U.S. states with legalized same-sex marriage, and 61.4% of USA citizens live in a state where it's legal. Texas, Missouri, Kentucky, Michigan, and Florida are expected to follow perhaps soon, potentially adding up to 38 U.S. states and 81.4% of the population living in legalized SSM states.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on October 21, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
Good.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on October 21, 2014, 06:11:47 PM
what's the counter argument for it not being legal?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on October 21, 2014, 06:35:13 PM
Religious Bullshit is to blame for the counter arguement
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on October 21, 2014, 06:45:44 PM
is that the only counter argument?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on October 21, 2014, 06:56:16 PM
Perhaps, i haven't really paid much attention towards SSM, but generally R.B. is the only reason why they resent it.

"god doesn't want you to, blah blah"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on October 21, 2014, 10:03:40 PM
Serious question, no hate intended.
I don't really understand how someone can be asexual. Is it not basic human nature to want to "mate"? I'm just not fully sure how someone can not be attracted to ANYTHING at all, so hopefully someone can help me out?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 21, 2014, 10:46:07 PM
Serious question, no hate intended.
I don't really understand how someone can be asexual. Is it not basic human nature to want to "mate"? I'm just not fully sure how someone can not be attracted to ANYTHING at all, so hopefully someone can help me out?
Consider children

As for whether it's basic human nature, that seems like arguing you don't understand how people can be asexual, because humans aren't asexual. Unless I'm not seeing yoour point. If there are asexual humans it isn't really basic human nature to want to mate anymore, is it?

Having a population that all wants to mate isn't necessarily an evolutionary advantage to a population. In ants there are many sterile, specialized groups. Asexuality and homosexuality could serve similar roles in evolution in keeping a fraction of a population from getting children and thus able to carry out other tasks in the population and increase the probability that it survives.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 22, 2014, 09:55:28 AM
The main question here is: Am I non-traditional sexuality?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 22, 2014, 11:49:54 AM
Take a look at the "What is your sexuality?" topic. Nobody's sexuality is traditional, but if it is sufficiently far right, and above pretty much right at the bottom, nobody would ever notice the difference.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 23, 2014, 04:10:41 AM
A lesbian couple with 2 children in northern Jutland have received anonymous letters saying "You live in sin", "swines", along with people throwing trash and dog poops into their garden.
The solutions they [a politician and a teacher] speak of is more education about homosexuality in school, hopefully that will be implemented.
Source: http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Regionale/Nordjylland/2014/10/23/093116.htm
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 23, 2014, 05:04:34 AM
Heard about these two; didn't the teacher get fired from the school for that?

"You live in sin"
 

I love how these kinds of Christians think that it's okay to nose into stranger's lives, but not okay to fulfill your love preferences.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on October 23, 2014, 07:07:29 AM
I know right?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 23, 2014, 10:04:02 AM
Heard about these two; didn't the teacher get fired from the school for that?
I don't think so

I love how these kinds of Christians think that it's okay to nose into stranger's lives, but not okay to fulfill your love preferences.
Well the bible is pretty messed up on the morality part but it's still pretty sad some people still cling to it yes
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 23, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
I don't think so

Must've been someone else, then.


Quote
Well the bible is pretty messed up on the morality part but it's still pretty sad some people still cling to it yes

I don't think the Bible has anything on poking holes in people's lives :P
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 23, 2014, 12:22:41 PM
I don't think the Bible has anything on poking holes in people's lives :P
If you count killing people as poking holes in their lives it certainly does.

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
1:31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
- Romans

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rom/1.html#31
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

No wonder this trash has caused so much death and destruction throughout history.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Xriqxa on October 23, 2014, 12:51:30 PM
"unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful"


This is what... oh my God I have lost all faith in Christians ;-;
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on October 23, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
I've lost all faith in religion. Science is the only truth. none of this babble.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 23, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
really guys
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 23, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
really guys
?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on October 23, 2014, 02:15:57 PM
this has turned from lgbt to religion
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on October 23, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
I gather that zirkza turned into a harsh anti-Christian and lord DC became anti-religious from that one post, which imo is very unbelievable unless they've been near those viewpoints for a while.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on October 23, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
this has turned from lgbt to religion
I'd say both, many religions have things to say about LGBT people and in any case I don't want it to be such a narrow topic that you can't make small posts on side-topics or have small conversations, as long as it has relevance in the context. I generally don't like topics which have their boundary made by deep pits or walls. I'll handle splitting the topic if it gets derailed so don't worry.

I gather that zirkza turned into a harsh anti-Christian and lord DC became anti-religious from that one post, which imo is very unbelievable unless they've been near those viewpoints for a while.
LordDC's post doesn't imply anything about when he lost faith in religion
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 05, 2014, 09:42:48 AM
New acronym please

Homosexual
Polysexual
Asexual
Transgender

Also,

<Dude>+ Aren't you gay?
<Gordon+> What? Why would you think that?
<Dude+> Ur werid
<Gordon+> ಠ_ಠ I'm asexual
<Dude+> What you're bi?

God, the ignorance of people kills me
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 05, 2014, 06:39:18 PM
I don't understand why we need a million different sexuality phrases.
Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, Asexual, and Bisexuality are pretty much all encompassing for sexualities.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on November 05, 2014, 09:08:44 PM
what about the polysexual, pansexual, demisexual, omnisexual, and a lot of other sexualities. jorster, you may not know, it, but you're a repressed pjisatsexual. that stands for people-jorster-is-sexually-attracted-to-sexual. yes, you are sexually attracted to people you are sexually attracted to.

n-sexual is just notation for sexually attracted to n, and there are unlimited n's

---

now i think the point of lgbt or at least what should be the point, is to stop discrimination. so the only sexualities that are important or worth noting are sexualities discriminated against. depending on how you divide these sexualities up, you can have more or less terms.

the interesting argument which and how many terms should be in lgbt. too few marginalizes minorities, too many and the distinct sexualities get lumped together as one in people minds

---

personally i'm of the opinion that it should all be lumped under one name as a movement, but if you're discussing sexuality, you can use as many formulated terms as you want
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 05, 2014, 09:23:46 PM
there was a nice all inclusive term that i completely forgot
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 05, 2014, 10:21:16 PM
gsrm?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 05, 2014, 10:22:21 PM
gsm was nice but more recently there was something different and more straightforward
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 05, 2014, 11:07:16 PM
I just don't understand why having a preference is now considered having your own sexuality.  Just because I'm attracted to someone who has one leg doesn't make me amputee-sexual or whatever the fuck you want to call it. 99% of people fall in to the straight gay bi trans scale, so why do we need to include a hundred other sexualities that are incredibly similar but subtly different.

Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 05, 2014, 11:08:27 PM
you mean the hetero-homo-asexual triangle
and the female-male-agender triangle
which sometimes conflicts too much with the female/male sexual duality
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 05, 2014, 11:10:03 PM
Sure?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 05, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11194.0;attach=25561;image this is roughly how i imagine it for sexuality, it's the same for gender (but red/cyan instead) and then sex is two discrete points that match up with gender at the top two points of the triangle
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 05, 2014, 11:14:40 PM
Yeah, exactly. Just because someone is "only attracted to people they like (wat) doesn't mea  they get their own sexuality and get to call oppreshun when people refuse to recognize their ridiculousness
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: vh on November 05, 2014, 11:19:06 PM
you have to draw the line somewhere, about how many people are needed to form a sexuality. i think it's elegant to have that line at zero
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 06, 2014, 07:18:52 AM
It looks like if you by sexuality mean sexual orientation, that's divided into homo-, bi-, heterosexuality and sometimes asexuality.
"These categories are aspects of the more nuanced nature of sexual identity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation
So pansexual, polysexual, ... fall under identity instead of orientation.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 06, 2014, 09:16:55 AM
why is it homosexual/heterosexual instead of androphilic/gynophilic when it is man/woman for gender instead of cis/trans
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 06, 2014, 09:36:57 AM
because one is naturally accepted and expected the other isn't

alternative to one that blurs the lines between morality and immorality

at least thats how it would be percieved
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 06, 2014, 10:21:08 AM
wait how would androphilia or gynophilia blur the line between supposed "immoral" concepts and "moral" concepts
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 06, 2014, 10:26:56 AM
because it is usually thought in terms of 'man and woman' therefore what is 'right' is more easily expressed by 'the other' and 'the same', so that the opposite is wrong, weird, or at the very least different and seperate
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 10, 2014, 10:08:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OZF5RLC.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 10, 2014, 10:08:54 AM
That's a pretty odd comparison imo...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 10, 2014, 10:09:19 AM
That's a pretty odd comparison imo...

Also why is that overlaid on a picture of heavy
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 10, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
That's a pretty odd comparison imo...

Gays can't get married for a stupid reason
Obese can't have pie for a stupid reason

That's a pretty odd comparison imo...

Also why is that overlaid on a picture of heavy

My face when I say this
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 10, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
Gays can't get married for a stupid reason
Obese can't have pie for a stupid reason
There's nothing linking the two reasons, so one may find one of the reasons good and the other bad. You can't assume everybody else finds the same things stupid as you so it would make more sense to use two statements that at least had some logical connection beyond your subjective opinion.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 10, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
ok then
(http://i.imgur.com/1JgfL4K.png)

ah forget it I suck at metaphors
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 10, 2014, 12:42:49 PM
what the heck marriage doesn't mean anything in a lot of places but in the places where it does mean something, i do approve of bringing equality where marriage actually means something
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on November 11, 2014, 04:48:50 AM
just wondering why is trans mixed with lesbian gay and bisexual?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 11, 2014, 05:44:38 AM
idk, as far as I know I don't think any religion has anything to say about transgenders.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 11, 2014, 08:58:48 AM
yes they do, and just like "deviant" sexualities, they say it is wrong and make horrible arguments like "god made you as a boy so you must always be a man/boy"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 11, 2014, 09:12:03 AM
Well I heard that the idea behind anti-gay in Islam is sanitary concerns and nothing to with sexuality, but I'm pretty sure that's because medics sucked when religions were made.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 11, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
I kind of doubt that. Most religions arguments against Gay relations is more along the lines of "It's icky so no"
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on November 11, 2014, 09:57:25 AM
This actually makes me wonder if at one point, homosexual attraction wasn't completely discouraged, just gay intercourse was for genuine hygiene/medical concern.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 11, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Sanitary concerns are important for some kinds of sex if people involved have STDs, especially back when protection didn't exist.
There's no single way gays have sex though, and being gay can also mean romantic attraction. Targeting gays in general isn't rational (not that many religions target gays for romantic attraction as far as I've read, even though many religious followers today are fond of doing that).

In the modern world all evidence shows that where religions try shade over the lives of gays with their dark ideas (as well as heterosexuals when trying to convince people prevention is evil, such as the Catholic church's campaigns in Africa - a deep disgrace to humanity), disease rates only go up as people get marginalized and refused information about how they can actually have safe sex. Or simply told blatant lies in the case of the church's campaigns trying to convince people condoms don't protect against AIDS.

Though the fact that there are modern inventions and advancements of course isn't going to convince anyone that believes milennium-old books are infallible, just like we see on every other science or social issue where some people are still stuck in the tribal stage.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: phinehas on November 11, 2014, 01:47:06 PM
LOL. This is the same as the abortion argument.  People rationalizing why there must be "safe" abortions and never wanting to deal with the root of the problem.  They don't want to deal with the root of the problem because they would rather continue to do the behavior that causes the issues and look for solutions that allow that to continue at all cost.  When others point out this fact, using millennium-old books and reason, they then become "the problem", standing in the way of people too dumb and selfish to realize what they do to themselves and society as a whole.  The people that NEED to worry about safe sex are the stupid ones.

Keep giving condoms to people like this...and you may end up taking a long nap in a "latrine".
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/19/at-least-8-ebola-aid-workers-reportedly-killed-in-cold-blood-by-villagers-in/

But hey, doesn't America have it's own problems?  Yes, let's continue to deal with the symptoms and not the problem itself.
http://nypost.com/2014/11/10/subway-brawl-breaks-out-after-man-slaps-woman/

The "modern" world is "Progressing" along ain't it, lol.

Of course, this differing opinion that happens to be true, will be deleted.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on November 11, 2014, 02:06:49 PM
Of course, this differing opinion that happens to be true, will be deleted.

opinion that happens to be true

what
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: phinehas on November 11, 2014, 03:52:53 PM
Language doesn't work, maybe I will try pictures for now on.  Take a guess as to why they are looking at you.

(http://gdb.voanews.com/1A0E66C4-94F1-4199-9449-40BDA01D5DBB_w974_n_s.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Jorster on November 11, 2014, 04:10:54 PM
Because I got mad swag yo
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on November 11, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
when i saw only part of the purple head i thought that man's head was the owner of the purple shirt
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 11, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
10/10 quality post phinehas you should post more often
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 12, 2014, 07:00:17 AM
I kind of doubt that. Most religions arguments against Gay relations is more along the lines of "It's icky so no"

icky=unsanitary
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 12, 2014, 08:01:44 AM
msw zirkza is defending antigay positions
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 12, 2014, 09:00:37 AM
i'm confused... wouldn't hetero sex be just as unsanitary? or is there some magic where if it's a legitimate sex the body will shut that thing down?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 12, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
msw zirkza is defending antigay positions

I'm not... I'm saying that anti-gay may have valid standing points which have become invalid over time.

i'm confused... wouldn't hetero sex be just as unsanitary? or is there some magic where if it's a legitimate sex the body will shut that thing down?

I think the rule is talking about anal/oral sex, since that's where all your shit/spit goes.

I kind of doubt that.


True. I've also heard of an Islamic parable where a town of gays was destroyed by a hurricane sent by God.

Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 12, 2014, 12:29:08 PM
the anus did not evolve to have objects enter it so when a penis or a dildo or anything else enters the hole, hundreds of microscopic fissures are created that release blood and enable pathogens to flow from the anus up the penis. oral sex doesn't have any additional hygienic risks as it also evolved for objects to enter it, as well as to crush them, so it is actually even more efficient than fighting off pathogens than the vagina.

the anus is near the vagina, so this is how the verse in the bible (and probably referenced in the quran) when it says "a man should not lay with a man as one lays with a woman", that is, having sex with him in his anus.

zirkza: did that town happen to be Sodom?
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 13, 2014, 06:24:55 AM
Yeah but I don't think the Qur'an says anything about gay holocausts.

the anus did not evolve to have objects enter it so when a penis or a dildo or anything else enters the hole, hundreds of microscopic fissures are created that release blood and enable pathogens to flow from the anus up the penis.

o_o

zirkza: did that town happen to be Sodom?


Idk
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 13, 2014, 06:27:48 AM
who ever said anything about a gay holocaust
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 13, 2014, 06:37:16 AM
As you mentioned, in the Bible it says,

"A man should not lay with a man as one lays with a woman, otherwise he should be killed."

This is dirty and flawful bigotry that needs to die.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Lord DC on November 13, 2014, 07:38:31 AM
Well yes, however as we all should know, you shouldn't do trust or do stuff that comes out of an untrustworthy book.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 13, 2014, 09:04:05 AM
a book that has been translated and changed many times since thousands of years ago no less
Title: Re: The Bibbel sucks
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 13, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
yes we must all contribute to the conversion of a discussion about LGBTs into a bible-shaming thread
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on November 13, 2014, 11:48:07 AM
you pony those are actual points for the purposes of the discussion, that the bible isn't a very valid source for historical information
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on November 13, 2014, 11:56:24 AM
This wasn't necessary, since (probably) most of us know this,

a book that has been translated and changed many times since thousands of years ago no less
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on November 13, 2014, 12:24:18 PM
people believe anyway
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on November 13, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
There's nothing wrong in discussing books that say things about LGBT people in an LGBT thread I think.
If the long-dead authors of the bible can't take it being 'shamed' in an LGBT thread, maybe they should've just left the stuff out of it that promotes killing LGBT people or treating them as second-rank humans. I think that's pretty shameful.

But the religion (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,613.0.html) thread can also be used for more general comments on the bible, especially if it has nothing to do with LGBT or what was written in this topic.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on December 16, 2014, 12:49:51 PM
http://youtu.be/PVjiKRfKpPI

All is well in Mother Russia c:
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 16, 2014, 01:05:16 PM
All is well in Mother Russia c:
Really

You realize the video is criticism of what happens there right...
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: matty406 on December 16, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
Oh I like that song. Never seen the video though. I tried to figure out what it was about but I guess it needs the video for the full message.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 16, 2014, 02:32:43 PM
The song seems to have a broader meaning, the video seems to be an example/application of it to the situation in Russia.

Points out the truth about religion and how it and the religious right poisons the world. Good message. Bonus points for references to Hitchens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KckDTonKr5A
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on December 17, 2014, 07:22:54 AM
All is well in Mother Russia c:
Really

You realize the video is criticism of what happens there right...

Holy mom and you criticize me for not noticing sarcasm
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: tuto99 on December 17, 2014, 11:01:06 AM
It's hard to do sarcasm on the internet unless you put something to suggest it. *Sarcasm*
No but really :P
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 17, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
Holy mom and you criticize me for not noticing sarcasm
Source?

What Tuto said. Maybe if you hadn't included a happy smiley afterwards I might've considered just the possibility of it being sarcasm. The smiley ruined that possibility.

In any case it's a pretty weird moment to use happy-sarcasm when you're talking about an issue where people are getting physically attacked. Just my opinion. And literally anyone who's not familiar with your opinions might think you're saying what's happening is good.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on December 17, 2014, 11:17:55 AM
The smiley ruined that possibility.

Why?

Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 17, 2014, 11:39:39 AM
Why?
I could expect someone to write something along the lines of "all is well in Mother Russia." when posting something that clearly isn't, but when you add a happy smiley I just don't read it like that. Then I just read it as you've posted something and not understood what the thing you posted is about. That was just the impression that I got.

Also you accused me of something. Please link to where I did what you accused me of.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on December 17, 2014, 05:50:38 PM
I use the word "obviously" when I'm being sarcastic and it's leaked into real life as well, even though in real life there's the extreme tone to go with it, it seems to get the point across to everyone without any issues.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on December 19, 2014, 01:16:10 PM
Just received this :)

(http://i.imgur.com/zIRYHyC.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: tuto99 on December 20, 2014, 10:54:29 AM
mfw
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 05, 2015, 06:14:21 AM
gg Hollywood, photoshopping signs away from the cover of a film saying gays and lesbians support miners from the British film "Pride" and changing the description on the back from "London-based group of homosexual activists" to "London-based group of activists".

(http://asset.dr.dk/imagescaler/?file=%2Fimages%2Farticle%2F2015%2F01%2F05%2F__crop_16-9__%2Fpride_07973561.jpg%3Fitok%3D1saTx9Rv&w=620&h=349&scaleAfter=crop&server=www.dr.dk)

http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/kultur/film/usa-fjerner-homoreferencer-i-britisk-film
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pride-us-dvd-cover-removes-761001
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on January 06, 2015, 09:01:10 AM
Ron Weasley is gay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHVtZsCZ1TA

I feel like this should be offensive but it's not
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on January 18, 2015, 06:25:57 AM
TIL homosexuality is a result of psychotic delusions according to my peers
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 18, 2015, 08:15:09 AM
That claim should be easy to disprove as there are - many - homosexuals who don't have psychotic delusions.
In addition
Quote
Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations [lesbian, gay, bisexual] and psychopathology
In fact, the exact opposite is the case - repression and exclusion against people due to their sexual orientation can cause such problems.
Quote
The widespread prejudice, discrimination, and violence to which lesbians and gay men are often subjected are significant mental health concerns.
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.pdf
Some studies have shown links to genetics, genes which did not result in 'psychotic delusions'
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2881563?uid=3737880&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21105648786633
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9549243
The peers are simply deeply ignorant and have no clue what they're talking about if they say that.

But if I should give any advice I would suggest avoiding discussing it with your peers as much as possible. It sounds to me like it's unrealistic you'll convince them they're wrong, and it'll most likely get you into trouble.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on January 18, 2015, 12:00:57 PM
The peers are simply deeply ignorant and have no clue what they're talking about if they say that.

I think I made it clear enough that, by using TIL, that was the point I was trying to make

Although I will say that I personally think that the LGBT community is not 100% genetic
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on January 18, 2015, 12:05:54 PM
I think I made it clear enough that, by using TIL, that was the point I was trying to make
I never disputed that.

Although I will say that I personally that the LGBT community is not 100% genetic
A verb is missing. Anyway I don't think the community is either, that's way too broad and vaguely defined. But there's good evidence that being gay can be.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on March 30, 2015, 03:48:46 AM
Indianapolis makes it legal to discriminate against homosexuals as long as your excuse is religion. Once again, "religious freedom" is used as a catchphrase for religious privilige and an excuse to stomp on the rights of others.

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2015/03/30/072341.htm
http://www.newsweek.com/indiana-governor-religious-freedom-restoration-act-wont-change-317617
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: tuto99 on March 30, 2015, 06:22:27 AM
One word: idiots
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on March 30, 2015, 07:59:42 AM
but it's in indianapolis that whole state doesn't matter
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on June 26, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
it is a great victory
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gay-marriage-and-other-major-rulings-at-the-supreme-court/2015/06/25/ef75a120-1b6d-11e5-bd7f-4611a60dd8e5_story.html?tid=sm_tw

 " ruling 5 to 4 "
dang that was close
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on June 26, 2015, 03:26:57 PM
it's always 5 to 4 or 9 to 0 in the supreme court because of its setup
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: tuto99 on June 26, 2015, 03:42:59 PM
Congratulations to the lgbt community for earning their right to marry. imo marriage shouldn't be a privilege, it should be a right. A right granted to everyone, and I believe there are certain rights that you shouldn't contest in the court of law. this is indeed historical.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on June 27, 2015, 03:08:04 AM
Congrats USA
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 06, 2015, 04:35:35 AM
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3184514/Gay-male-couple-marry-West-Point-attacked-Soho-bodega-hate-crime.html?ito=social-facebook

kolkolkolkolkolk
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on August 06, 2015, 05:29:58 AM
i expected something from denmark about convoluted economic and political matters
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on August 06, 2015, 09:23:06 AM
Quote
'He left covered in his own blood with his tail between his legs after I handled the situation and tossed him in the street like the coward loser he is,'

Damn this furry violence is getting out of hand
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Darvince on August 06, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
Ron Weasley is gay?

I feel like this should be offensive but it's not
please tell me this is not what you believe about homosexuals
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 15, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
Photos from Copenhagen Pride with Enhedslisten
http://imgur.com/a/CIdiT#4 (more photos)

(http://i.imgur.com/EWSxDz6.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7xWG3r4.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/3XCu6IC.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/fcBeQAE.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/uUauZu2.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/J4xv0gZ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/WyoeK9O.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/aKoo7K0.png)

yee many sports clubs

(http://i.imgur.com/uk8kDeo.png)

public services

(http://i.imgur.com/VOI5JYi.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/xBq7trN.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/jg60IVw.png)

army

(http://i.imgur.com/fTZWA6t.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lV7IS7u.png)

Some weeks ago I saw a train like this

(http://i.imgur.com/KJ1XUHL.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Gordon Freeman on August 16, 2015, 06:48:20 AM
Quote
'He left covered in his own blood with his tail between his legs after I handled the situation and tossed him in the street like the coward loser he is,'

Damn this furry violence is getting out of hand

Relevant? Where did you get this? Fanfiction.com? XD

please tell me this is not what you believe about homosexuals

Because of course expression and sexuality are the same thing.

Of course not.


Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on August 16, 2015, 08:39:18 AM
I see someone didn't read the article
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on August 16, 2015, 12:18:56 PM
why would shriqua read anything that's not about deviantart on crappy sfw furry art
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on August 16, 2015, 12:32:14 PM
i have a feeling that was dar
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: atomic7732 on August 16, 2015, 12:32:39 PM
it was
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on June 15, 2016, 02:29:01 PM
A wallpaper I made

http://i.imgur.com/6g6kkw1.png
http://i.imgur.com/wcK7F1e.png

(http://i.imgur.com/6g6kkw1.png)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: blotz on August 17, 2016, 09:04:27 PM
ayy lmso
http://www.thegailygrind.com/2016/08/17/flood-destroys-home-of-hate-group-leader-who-claims-god-sends-natural-disasters-to-punish-gays/
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on August 17, 2016, 10:24:45 PM
Ayy kolmao. At least the flood did one good thing.
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: FiahOwl on June 09, 2020, 12:11:40 AM
it's pretty tragic reading through some of the earlier posts in this topic and seeing all the pain bla went through. glad he's managed to find a boyfriend since then :)
Title: Re: LGBT Topic
Post by: Bla on June 09, 2020, 02:31:37 AM
Thanks Fiah :)