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Title: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 19, 2012, 11:40:26 PM
Short Version | tl;dr

I had promised everyone who owned a copy of the current version would get a free upgrade to the major new version of Universe Sandbox, but that was in late 2011 and many things have changed. The new version has become more complex and costly than originally conceived and the project now employs seven people. I think the promise has handicapped the long term future of the software and so Iíve decided that the new version will no longer be a free upgrade for existing users.


Long Version

Earlier this year I stated, on more than one occasion, that anyone who has ever purchased Universe Sandbox would get the upcoming new version for free. Since that time, many things have changed, and I think this promise has handicapped the long term future of the software.

Let me try to take you through my thinking...

In November 2012 I shared a weekend with an amazing group of people devoted to social justice and leveraging their privilege for lasting, positive change in the world. My take away from the experience was: How do I use my opportunity to make the most positive change in the world?

I want to continue to develop Universe Sandbox for years to come and use it to inspire learning about our amazing universe. I feel that this is, and will be, my lifeís work, and Iím so lucky to be in the position to work full time on something I love and care about so much.

I feel conflicted that I have to charge for Universe Sandbox at all; I think knowledge should be free. Iíd give it away to everyone if I was independently wealthy, but Iím not. And no longer is this project all about me. There are six other people who work on this project, whose income is paid from the sales of the original version. So I think it is fair to ask those who can support Universe Sandbox to do so, in order for us to provide it to those who canít.

When I promised upgrading everyone for free, this is what I was thinking:

Whatís happened since:

Reasons to charge for the new version:

Iíve been debating what to do about this for months and have discussed it with friends, family, colleagues in the video game industry, and the development team. Iím very sensitive to making people feel slighted in reversing course and not updating everyone for free, so If you feel wronged, please let us know and Iíll make it right.

I hope that youíll understand the decision to not upgrade current users to the new version for free. Please let me know what you think in the comments below.

Duplicate thread on the Steam Forums (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33406729#post33406729)

Moved beta related questions and replies to the beta thread (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,8358.0.html)

Originally posted November 2012... some details updated in December 2013.
Title: Re: How Much Is the New Version of the Universe Worth?
Post by: smjjames on November 19, 2012, 11:53:24 PM
As long as its a reasonable price like 15 or 20$ or something, then yeah.

If it were 70 bucks, I'd still buy it, but that's pretty expensive, especially so for the international Ubox fans. Might want to get input from them due to the differences in currency.

Wait, the beta will still be free though, right?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Unreal2004 on November 20, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
Ditto what smjjames said, I am ok with buying the next US as long as I know how much I have to save up, it will take me some time to do that but it will be worth it.  I completely agree with you Dan on all your points, you have to pay your people and you cant do that when the new users are paying 75% of the normal price for the game, it would be unfair to the ones who paid in full when they (the 75% off users) get the upgrade for free as well and didnt invest as much into the project.  I can also understand the complaints that will follow, it is natural to feel what they will be feeling when something is taken away from them, especially the people (like me) that do not make anywhere near a normal income it will be difficult and you may lose the support of these people.  In the end I think this will be a better way forward and will reduce friction in your company since it is money that moves this product now, it takes more than just you (Dan) to get this going now in a reasonable time frame and that costs money.

My .02
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on November 20, 2012, 12:22:35 AM
This is understandable and reasonable Dan. I don't mind paying again for the new version of the program, because at least I know I'm funding the developers the money they need to make this new update awesome. Good luck on the new update!  ;)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 20, 2012, 12:23:43 AM
No worries... it's safe to assume the price of v3 will be reasonable and not $70.

Beta comments moved to this thread (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,8358.0.html)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Darvince on November 20, 2012, 12:38:05 AM
isn't this the same thing that was happening before us2 was ported to steam?
not enough monies?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: TrueCoppa on November 20, 2012, 01:09:20 AM
That's fine, if it has to be done to keep US alive then why not?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: vh on November 20, 2012, 04:44:57 AM
kolok, i don't mind buying a new version either
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: atomic7732 on November 20, 2012, 07:14:11 AM
I don't really mind paying (and it seems many others don't as well), I think it should be similar to the first version, maybe a pay what you want starting at 75-85% of what you'd prefer and allow people to pay for more? And then maybe individual cases can pay less if they can't pay the minimum for whatever reason?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: ethan123 on November 20, 2012, 10:04:43 AM
How much would it be.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: DenisineD on November 20, 2012, 11:24:12 AM
I don t have any problem with this :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Steroidkloud on November 20, 2012, 01:08:51 PM
It's the right thing to do. How else can you keep US afloat?

But now I'm shattered, since I cannot make online purchases. That's the reason I pirated US2 in the first place. (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,629.msg57866.html#msg57866) Then I was lucky enough (LOTS OF DRAMA INVOLVED) to have someone else use their card to buy it for me ($25), then pay them back with real cash.

Since I am in Australia, does that leave posting money out of the question (When I can spare money), since you guys use different currency? I'm crossing my fingers there will somehow be an on-disc-in-store version.

You have my word, I won't pirate US3, since I know how hard hitting it is for you guys. I respect you all too much for that.

Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: APODman on November 20, 2012, 01:29:02 PM
This is understandable and reasonable Dan. I don't mind paying again for the new version of the program, because at least I know I'm funding the developers the money they need to make this new update awesome. Good luck on the new update!  ;)

I agree !

The social role of Universe Sandbox is already being done by their release free to schools.

I fully agree that the private interest of the software allows charging for the use of the product given the work involved in making this piece of art.

Regards

Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Prometech on November 20, 2012, 02:44:46 PM
   I'm fine with this. However, a bit disappointed that I won't come home and find the update having arrived.
Is there anyway for current owners to get a discount so not to completely change what was promised, the reason I say this is that many here are either not old enough to have a job or earn money to pay for a full price game.

   However, I do completely understand why you changed the conditions given your current situation regarding the expense of the game development. I would be fine paying for this update, glad even so that more great work could come from your development team. For as much use as I have gotten out of the game so far, I would be fine paying for many more hours on a superior version of the game with so many new features.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 20, 2012, 11:45:32 PM
I cannot make online purchases. That's the reason I pirated US2 in the first place.

If you have no way to buy it and you pirate it, how is that a lost sale?
If you could buy it without hardship, but pirate it instead, well... that's not cool.

I'm crossing my fingers there will somehow be an on-disc-in-store version.

Probably not. That said... I sent you an email.

... many here are either not old enough to have a job or earn money to pay for a full price game.

To be fair, Universe Sandbox is not a full price game. Skyrim is a full price game. That said, if you have no way of buying the new version of Universe Sandbox, let me know and we'll work something out. I don't want money to get in the way of young minds exploring the universe... which is largely why we've just recently announced that Universe Sandbox v2 is free to schools all over the world via Steam for Schools (http://www.teachwithportals.com/).
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: smjjames on November 21, 2012, 04:46:37 AM
I cannot make online purchases. That's the reason I pirated US2 in the first place.

If you have no way to buy it and you pirate it, how is that a lost sale?
If you could buy it without hardship, but pirate it instead, well... that's not cool.


He did later pay for it though.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: FiahOwl on November 21, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Also Dan, I am perfectly fine with paying for the game, I understand :D.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Yannos on November 21, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
Everyone should get paid for their hard work. Honest post and good decision.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: dhm794 on November 21, 2012, 07:25:30 PM
Dan, I agree completely that the software should be a one-time payment rather than having to buy planets and various add ons.  Day 1 DLC is awful.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: phinehas on November 22, 2012, 01:58:57 AM
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Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: de_Stan on November 22, 2012, 06:36:44 AM
I really don't have a problem giving my money to something that's really worth it.
Even that im from Greece and you guys have an idea how things are here now (no jobs, very low incomes) i would support you. Because you deserve it!
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: FiahOwl on November 23, 2012, 07:08:26 AM
Dan, I agree completely that the software should be a one-time payment rather than having to buy planets and various add ons.  Day 1 DLC is awful.

If there is DLC I plan to like boycott it or something. I will not pay in order to use the select tool or something stupid.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on November 23, 2012, 07:16:37 AM
Ehh, I don't see any DLCs being released for Ubox 3. It's a program, not a game. What are they going to patch, brown dwarfs and neutron stars?Psh
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: smjjames on November 23, 2012, 07:20:11 AM
Dan, I agree completely that the software should be a one-time payment rather than having to buy planets and various add ons.  Day 1 DLC is awful.

If there is DLC I plan to like boycott it or something. I will not pay in order to use the select tool or something stupid.

Dan said that he doesn't want to do downloadable content for planets and stuff like that or even DLC at all.

@tuto: you don't need to pay for normal patches and updates, which arent defined as DLC anyway.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on November 23, 2012, 07:31:06 AM
I was trying to say if they're going to add brown dwarfs and neutron stars as downloadable content.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Unreal2004 on November 23, 2012, 07:40:53 AM
I was trying to say if they're going to add brown dwarfs and neutron stars as downloadable content.

I doubt that, it probably will be either in the finished program (hate calling U.S. a game, its so much more) or as a patch/update later, DLCs are really only reserved for games that want to milk the cow for all its got, then beat the dead horse to an even deader death after the cow ran dry.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on November 23, 2012, 07:43:32 AM
I was exactly saying that. A DLC for Ubox is not going to happen.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 23, 2012, 11:00:53 AM
I have one good idea for an expansion pack that Iím really excited about (and think you will be too), but itís still a long way out from being developed, released, and beginning to generate revenue.

But it's definitely not Day 1 DLC (Downloadable Content) meaning that it won't be released until months after the release of Universe Sandbox 3. It's something we've talked about, but no one has yet begun working on it (and won't until after the release).

There's no plan to make some types of stars paid DLC.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: smjjames on November 23, 2012, 01:18:33 PM
I have one good idea for an expansion pack that Iím really excited about (and think you will be too), but itís still a long way out from being developed, released, and beginning to generate revenue.

But it's definitely not Day 1 DLC (Downloadable Content) meaning that it won't be released until months after the release of Universe Sandbox 3. It's something we've talked about, but no one has yet begun working on it (and won't until after the release).

There's no plan to make some types of stars paid DLC.

What would be your idea of a DLC for Universe Sandbox? Just wondering here.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 25, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
What would be your idea of a DLC for Universe Sandbox? Just wondering here.

Not yet ready to reveal the idea. :)

(and if you quote can you edit the quote to only include the relevant part of the quote)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: vh on November 25, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
it's going to be universe sandbox 4.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: namtap on November 26, 2012, 12:26:40 AM
I can't say I'm not disappointed, but I understand the (arguably unfortunate) realities of this world.

The main thing that bothers me is that, if I'm looking into this correctly, it's only the new version that will have Mac support, correct?  Although I feel as though I haven't the right to complain given that I did buy the program when it was on sale, I did buy it having been told that there would be a future update to include my primary OS.  I do have a Windows partition, which avoids having to deal with the rarely-functional WINE or Parallels or whatever, but it's still an inconvenience and it's a little disheartening to hear that I'm never going to get that port.

I'll still probably end up buying US3 once it goes on sale; I'm not sure.  Depends on how much the full asking price is and how well it would perform on my computer (US2 isn't great in that regard, at all).
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on November 26, 2012, 07:51:09 PM
The main thing that bothers me is that, if I'm looking into this correctly, it's only the new version that will have Mac support, correct?

Correct. The engine used by v2 is Windows only and a Mac port of v2 is not feasible. The engine we're using for v3 has support for Windows and Mac (plus other platforms) and we're rewriting it from the ground up.

Although I feel as though I haven't the right to complain given that I did buy the program when it was on sale, I did buy it having been told that there would be a future update to include my primary OS.  I do have a Windows partition, which avoids having to deal with the rarely-functional WINE or Parallels or whatever, but it's still an inconvenience and it's a little disheartening to hear that I'm never going to get that port.

Yeah... I feel the broken promise most effects those that (probably) only purchased because they thought they were going to get a free upgrade.

Version 3 has become much more than a direct port of v2 which was more how I imagined it would be when I made the promise. Since that time I've brought on an astronomer and a physics expert that are pushing the boundaries of what I imagined was possible to simulate with any sort of realism.

I'll still probably end up buying US3 once it goes on sale; I'm not sure.  Depends on how much the full asking price is and how well it would perform on my computer (US2 isn't great in that regard, at all).

I hope the performance of v3 will be at least as good as v2. Both like as much computational power as you can give them.



it's going to be universe sandbox 4.

Nope... something else. :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dragonbait on November 27, 2012, 07:25:34 AM
Well I'm just really excited for V3, it sounds really good and I'm more than happy to pay for the new version.
I bought long before any sales or any mention of a V3 (let alone it being free) and whilst it was good to hear that V3 would be free, It's ever better to hear that its going to be a substantial upgrade over V2 (even at a price)!
For what its worth I'd happily pay early to get into the beta  ;).

Keep up the good work! ;D
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: On2wheels on November 27, 2012, 10:51:10 AM
Thanks for the update on progress, it's refreshing to have an open and frank discussion with developers, I'm anxiously awaiting the next version, and I hope it puts my newly built intel based pc thru its paces.  As I understand it, the new version will be a different application and run alongside the old one?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: clockworks on November 27, 2012, 01:34:35 PM
i'm in support of what you think is best:)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Atmosfear on December 13, 2012, 05:26:48 AM
Dan, thank you for your full explanation about the decision.  I love your program, though I don't use it on a weekly basis, and would be more than happy to purchase the new version when it comes out.  Also keep in mind that some v2 owners (like myself) did not pay 'full price' but got it for just a few dollars when Steam ran its special last year.  You've got me hooked on stardust, sir.  Cannot wait to see what you've got cooked up!
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on December 14, 2012, 05:10:57 PM
For what its worth I'd happily pay early to get into the beta  ;).

Yeah... we're talking about offering pre-orders that include access to the beta. Perhaps something similar to what Prison Architect or Planetary Annihilation is doing.

The new version will be a different application and run alongside the old one?

Yes.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: TrueCoppa on December 16, 2012, 02:38:33 PM
For what its worth I'd happily pay early to get into the beta  ;).

Yeah... we're talking about offering pre-orders that include access to the beta. Perhaps something similar to what Prison Architect or Planetary Annihilation is doing.
That sounds like a great idea, it solves the problem of how people get access to the beta as well as opening it to everyone, not just a few who get selected.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: JayPix2012 on December 17, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
Will there be cloud animation for rock planets and gas giant planets Dan?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on December 17, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
Will there be cloud animation for rock planets and gas giant planets Dan?

Ask this question in a feature related thread, not this one.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on December 17, 2012, 03:53:27 PM
To answer your question, well partially, I think Eric or Chris is working on procedural gas giant cloud formation. (Check out the Unite 2012 presentation here, http://video.unity3d.com/video/6958259/unite-2012-creating-the (http://video.unity3d.com/video/6958259/unite-2012-creating-the))
About cloud formation for terra planets, I think Dan said something about him working on that feature, but I'm still undecided whether that's true.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: rv6abob on December 19, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
I have no problem paying for an upgrade. You have great software and I look forward to what you come out with next!
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: ShoeUnited on December 20, 2012, 03:15:47 AM
Yeah... we're talking about offering pre-orders that include access to the beta. Perhaps something similar to what Prison Architect or Planetary Annihilation is doing.

Sign me up for this.  I saw your ideas as they bloomed and I thought 'Naw'.  When you said free update.  I think I even argued against it a little in one post (memory not as good as the search feature, but lazy wins). 

Then I saw you were writing on the Unity engine.  And that kind of told me to reconfirm I'd have to pay.  Which was fine by me and my attitude from the start.  A man can't eat on dreams alone. 

Since (iirc) you are using the unity engine, are you going to use the preview function for linux support?  I'd love to have UB natively on linux.  :D  And with steam rolling out linux support some time next year probably, what fortuitous alignment. 

Don't need to apologize or feel humbled because you have to ask to have money for these people and yourself.  You deserve the money.  You deserve the right to dream.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: jman on December 22, 2012, 04:41:29 PM
So just one question looking at all the fourm posts is confusing because there never seems to be a straight answer so I'm going to ask this once, if you allready have ubox2 will ubox3 be free or will i have to buy it again? just a yes or no answer please.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Darvince on December 22, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
...yes

actually ubox3 will cost money for everyone.

Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Tristhal333 on December 22, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
You know what would make sense. Perhaps take a small amount say 10% or 20% of the final price for those who have Universe Sandbox already. But yah the reasons are clear why it has to be sold and not just an upgrade.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on December 22, 2012, 08:24:43 PM
You know what would make sense. Perhaps take a small amount say 10% or 20% of the final price for those who have Universe Sandbox already. But yah the reasons are clear why it has to be sold and not just an upgrade.
No, Dan and the team deserves a full payment, not a 20 or 30 percent off.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: MrMeltJr on December 22, 2012, 08:47:18 PM
No, Dan and the team deserves a full payment, not a 20 or 30 percent off.

This. I confess I did only buy this on a whim while looking through Steam sales, but I'd be happy to pay full price, and would've done so had I not seen it on sale. Anything up to $30 would be okay with me; more than that, I'd have to stay with v2 (until I get rich, and I plan to at some unforeseeable point in the future).

'course, I'd be happy to pay at a discount, too :P
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: SupeRobotLazerTiger on December 23, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
I've had tons of fun - (or countless pentillions of tons....) in v2! I would be more than happy  to pay for v3 (and if I  would give some generous donations if my account permitted LOL) and wish you guys a very merry christmas and good luck on your work!
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Wetferret on December 23, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
I absolutely do not mind purchasing a new version.  This program has been an incredible amount of educational fun, and I would honestly feel good about supporting this project.  Keep up the incredible work.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Tristhal333 on December 24, 2012, 11:23:10 AM
"No, Dan and the team deserves a full payment, not a 20 or 30 percent off."
I do agree im just saying 1 dollar off would be nice lol for those who already bought the original sim. Really it is an entirely new game i must say.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on December 24, 2012, 02:03:06 PM
"No, Dan and the team deserves a full payment, not a 20 or 30 percent off."
I do agree im just saying 1 dollar off would be nice lol for those who already bought the original sim. Really it is an entirely new game i must say.
One dollar off? That's kind of pointless.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: 1029chris on December 24, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
What, This is terrible! I just bought Universe Sandbox on my mac on the steam christmas sale so I could get Universe Sandbox 3 when it comes out! I don't have anymore money to get 3! Now I will just have a useless windows game sitting around. This is so disappointing... Is there anything you can do about that?  :'(
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on December 25, 2012, 12:05:29 AM
What, This is terrible! I just bought Universe Sandbox on my mac on the steam christmas sale so I could get Universe Sandbox 3 when it comes out! I don't have anymore money to get 3! Now I will just have a useless windows game sitting around. This is so disappointing... Is there anything you can do about that?  :'(

To be fair... didn't you only pay $2.50 for it (or was it $5)? Although depending on your situation, that could be a lot of money.

Did you buy it via Steam or this website (in which case it was $20)?

Send me a note with your email address (and mention this thread):
http://universesandbox.com/contact/ (http://universesandbox.com/contact/)
... and I'll make this right.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: raf1 on December 29, 2012, 10:40:24 AM
My son bought me the current release for Christmas - not sure what he paid for it but it appears to be an incredible value (@ $20).  I have read this thread and appreciate each respondents financial situation and acknowledge that as a fixed income retiree, I share the concern regarding the outright/upgrade pricing suggested so far.  However, I also see a dedicated team of developers and a passionate community of users which leads me to believe that they are both interested in the future viability/availability of US.  Having said that, I can see where it is necessary for the policy change in order to ensure the continued development of an awesome feature set.  So the market, as it always has, will ultimately decide the pricing of US.  I for one will give strong consideration to upgrading US whatever future pricing policy prevails. Best regards to all for the New Year.   
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: zed260 on January 20, 2013, 04:44:36 AM
i bought version 2 sometime ago i paid 19.95 for it maybe those who paid full price can get 3 free or something
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Hellpotatoe on January 20, 2013, 05:25:04 AM
i bought version 2 sometime ago i paid 19.95 for it maybe those who paid full price can get 3 free or something
The version 3 WILL COST MONEY. STOP ASKING FOR IT TO BE FREE.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: zed260 on January 20, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
i bought version 2 sometime ago i paid 19.95 for it maybe those who paid full price can get 3 free or something
The version 3 WILL COST MONEY. STOP ASKING FOR IT TO BE FREE.
im going to see if i cant pay something like 50 plus dollars "maybe even as high as 70" that be more then triple the sandbox version 2 price and get a contract written up forcing dan to give me all future versions/expansion packs for free and if not honered be forced to refund me the full amount of sucha  contract
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: vh on January 20, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
i bought version 2 sometime ago i paid 19.95 for it maybe those who paid full price can get 3 free or something
The version 3 WILL COST MONEY. STOP ASKING FOR IT TO BE FREE.
im going to see if i cant pay something like 50 plus dollars "maybe even as high as 70" that be more then triple the sandbox version 2 price and get a contract written up forcing dan to give me all future versions/expansion packs for free and if not honered be forced to refund me the full amount of sucha  contract

where are you getting the quote that it maybe even as high as 70 from?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: zed260 on January 20, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
i bought version 2 sometime ago i paid 19.95 for it maybe those who paid full price can get 3 free or something
The version 3 WILL COST MONEY. STOP ASKING FOR IT TO BE FREE.
im going to see if i cant pay something like 50 plus dollars "maybe even as high as 70" that be more then triple the sandbox version 2 price and get a contract written up forcing dan to give me all future versions/expansion packs for free and if not honered be forced to refund me the full amount of sucha  contract

where are you getting the quote that it maybe even as high as 70 from?
well dan already said sandbox 3 would be less then 70 dollars "he didnt say exact price im guessing it will probably start at 19.95 maybe more"

but what im offering dan is to pay 70 dollars in exchange he enters a legaly binding contact that would gurentee i dont have to pay for any future versions like 4 or 5 if/when released
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Hellpotatoe on January 21, 2013, 03:32:21 AM
Kol, good luck trying this.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Mike1 on January 21, 2013, 11:38:57 AM
What I would love to see is a big bang simulation or a star formation placing clouds of hydrogen in an area and increasing time to see the star and or its solar system formed!

Also I paid the 10bucks... Best 10 bucks ive spent in a long time ===) And i'd be happy to spend more on updates! Thanks for all the hard work

<---- Electrical Engineer in heaven pun intended
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: GrizzleFist on January 29, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Although it certainly is the minority, its amazing how people can feel wronged or deserving a free upgrade for a game that they paid less than $5 for. I mean, seriously? They spend that much on bubblegum without even thinking twice about it.  ::)

I really feel bad for you Dan, your obviously a great guy trying to do the right thing to people. The program that you and your team have made so far has brought hours of fun and knowledge to me and for less than 1/10 what most normal games would cost on steam or anywhere else for that matter.

Don't feel too bad about "wronging" people and going back on what you said. If you really feel bad about it, try doing something that wont cost you money but instead actually help make money and make almost everyone else happy at the same time, like giving anyone who purchased US2 the option to get into an early beta by paying the full price early or something like 10% off.

I wish you the best and looking forward for when US3 comes out.



Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on January 29, 2013, 09:41:19 PM
I honestly had that initial thought too. Im not trying to be insensitive, but if you are a person who can afford expensive things most of the time, then why are you complaining about spending possibly a $20 program in the future?
For other people, they have harder times affording expensive things. Im one of those people, but in my genuine sense I think Dan deserves some sort of payment. So if you can pay, dont complain.
To Dan, Dont take this the wrong way. Not trying to offend anyone, just speaking out my mind.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on January 29, 2013, 09:46:18 PM
What I would love to see is a big bang simulation or a star formation placing clouds of hydrogen in an area and increasing time to see the star and or its solar system formed!

Also I paid the 10bucks... Best 10 bucks ive spent in a long time ===) And i'd be happy to spend more on updates! Thanks for all the hard work

<---- Electrical Engineer in heaven pun intended
Oh yeah, they are definitely working on adding accretion in the next version.  :D
Cant wait to get my hands on that.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Mrjbroster on February 02, 2013, 09:04:21 PM
Hey Dan would you be able to add modding support such as having the ability to create life (humans or aliens) and adding realistic strategy base to it for example like the game sword of the stars 2 because as soon as i purchase it i would like to be able to create things such as that
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Darvince on February 02, 2013, 09:18:41 PM
this is actually a simulator, marked as a game for marketing purposes
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: antonio96 on February 05, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Dan here from Spain waiting Universe Sandbox 3 :)
I hope this now or about to :)
A greeting man :D  ;D
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on February 05, 2013, 11:50:35 AM
Dan here from Spain waiting Universe Sandbox 3 :)
I hope this now or about to :)
A greeting man :D  ;D
Don't worry, they'll have it out. :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: antonio96 on February 05, 2013, 11:52:46 AM
I hope I have wanted to have it now: D
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on February 05, 2013, 11:55:14 AM
You can be in the beta, if you pay for it.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: antonio96 on February 05, 2013, 12:01:25 PM
as i can?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: FiahOwl on February 25, 2013, 07:11:41 AM
as i can?

He will announce the beta release in the future. Then you can pay and get the beta.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on February 25, 2013, 02:32:49 PM
i think it's more like a sign-up, idk
Title: Re: How Much Is the New Version of the Universe Worth?
Post by: karakris on February 26, 2013, 10:19:49 AM
As long as its a reasonable price like 15 or 20$ or something, then yeah.

If it were 70 bucks, I'd still buy it, but that's pretty expensive, especially so for the international Ubox fans. Might want to get input from them due to the differences in currency.

Wait, the beta will still be free though, right?

I agree to paying for the Update - but tow Questions.

1) How Much will it be - if you have any idea ??
I could go to say 50 Dollars, but I am on Benefits, so maybe 65 Dollars is getting a bit high for me.

2) I am running everything on my PC in Windows XP, with a Quad Proecessor  - will it still be Compatible with XP ??
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on February 26, 2013, 03:13:56 PM
If you can run ubox 2 you can run the new version
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Artos90 on February 28, 2013, 03:55:44 AM
i bought US back in 11 when it was on a summer sale on steam. i loved it so much i paid an extra 20 for this so my dad can use it on his. i must say that if i have to pay for it again all i ask is that i can have a moon orbit earth while its orbiting a sun and i will have no complaints :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Camacha on March 06, 2013, 09:41:43 PM
I'm currently considering buying Universe Sandbox, as a somewhat more physics oriented alternative to most space applications (like Kerbal Space Program - which is great fun but not always that accurate). The changes mentioned are influencing my decisions, so I figure I'll tell you what I think about this.

I don't mind paying the Steam price or better yet, paying full price on the website to support the development of this program. It looks like a great program and space simulators are hard to come by, even in the days of the world wide web. I'm not very rich - a student actually - but I'd rather spend some money on supporting a small project like this than on a major AAA title. I also don't mind waiting for improvements and next versions.

I do mind, however, paying full price on version 2 now when version 3 seems to be on the horizon. Paying full price twice in a relatively short time span is just a little too much. I wouldn't mind paying the price of version 3 and getting stuck with version 2 up until then - receiving version 3 upon release - or paying a small amount for version 2 (like 3 or 5 dollars like a lot of folks here) to keep me occupied until version 3 is made public. Paying twice just feels a bit... awkward.

Just my thoughts  :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on March 07, 2013, 04:54:31 AM
So just wait a few months :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on March 07, 2013, 03:05:34 PM
I'm currently considering buying Universe Sandbox, as a somewhat more physics oriented alternative to most space applications (like Kerbal Space Program - which is great fun but not always that accurate). The changes mentioned are influencing my decisions, so I figure I'll tell you what I think about this.

I don't mind paying the Steam price or better yet, paying full price on the website to support the development of this program. It looks like a great program and space simulators are hard to come by, even in the days of the world wide web. I'm not very rich - a student actually - but I'd rather spend some money on supporting a small project like this than on a major AAA title. I also don't mind waiting for improvements and next versions.

I do mind, however, paying full price on version 2 now when version 3 seems to be on the horizon. Paying full price twice in a relatively short time span is just a little too much. I wouldn't mind paying the price of version 3 and getting stuck with version 2 up until then - receiving version 3 upon release - or paying a small amount for version 2 (like 3 or 5 dollars like a lot of folks here) to keep me occupied until version 3 is made public. Paying twice just feels a bit... awkward.

Just my thoughts  :)
There's not a definitive release date for Ubox 3, and if the beta hasn't come out yet, you won't be getting it any time soon.
I don't think Dan should lower the price of Ubox 2. Even if more people could get to buy it, what if the purchases are slightly lower than what it needs to be to meet an equivalent amount of revenue Dan gets for him to pay to his members? (Whoof, what a long sentence)
I wouldn't risk it.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on March 07, 2013, 04:12:37 PM
"Even if more people could get to buy it, what if the purchases are slightly lower than what it needs to be to meet an equivalent amount of revenue Dan gets for him to pay to his members?"

"(Whoof, what a long sentence)"

It's a run-on, that's why.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: vh on March 08, 2013, 07:56:55 PM
i bought US back in 11 when it was on a summer sale on steam. i loved it so much i paid an extra 20 for this so my dad can use it on his. i must say that if i have to pay for it again all i ask is that i can have a moon orbit earth while its orbiting a sun and i will have no complaints :)

that'll be possible since different objects can be calculated dynamically instead of with a single timestep
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Camacha on March 09, 2013, 10:40:31 PM
There's not a definitive release date for Ubox 3, and if the beta hasn't come out yet, you won't be getting it any time soon.
I don't think Dan should lower the price of Ubox 2. Even if more people could get to buy it, what if the purchases are slightly lower than what it needs to be to meet an equivalent amount of revenue Dan gets for him to pay to his members? (Whoof, what a long sentence)
I wouldn't risk it.
I was under the (mistaken) impression that the release was much closer than it apparently is. I guess the options in that case are to hold out or to buy twice. Since a more distant release date means more gameplay for the current edition, buying twice starts making more sense.

So just wait a few months :)
What is a couple of months compared to the age of the universe, no? ;)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Kanaev on June 03, 2013, 03:22:12 PM
Just bought it. Well, it's a little disappointment.

How much for the v3?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on June 03, 2013, 06:35:10 PM
I'm sorry you were disappointed (although you only paid $2.50 for it, right?)... What could have been changed or improved so that you wouldn't have been disappointed?

Pricing for the new version has not been determined or announced.

Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Kanaev on June 03, 2013, 10:51:33 PM
I'm sorry you were disappointed (although you only paid $2.50 for it, right?)... What could have been changed or improved so that you wouldn't have been disappointed?

Pricing for the new version has not been determined or announced.



Well, actually it was ~1,3$ (44 rubles / 32 rubles (current dollar exchange rate))
I have not even heard about v3, but even after only 5 mins in game I will definitely buy it. It's just like that - after v3 is out - v2 is no more needed to be here. It's just a dead body in steam library.
No need to be sarcastic, of course ~1,3$ is not a big money to worry about.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Drakes on June 04, 2013, 02:55:32 PM
I'm really disappointed. I bought US on Steam today and i wanted to know some news about US. New version looks amazing, but i don't want to buy the same game again. I'm Czech, so I'm sorry for mistakes. :-)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on June 04, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
The new version is still months from release... turns out making awesome stuff takes a long time. I'm sorry you're disappointed. Did you get it the current version during the Steam sale?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: crashman1390 on June 23, 2013, 07:27:34 AM
Quick question, version 3 will have dark matter implemented.... Right?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on June 23, 2013, 03:56:05 PM
Quick question, version 3 will have dark matter implemented.... Right?

did you also mean to say dark energy
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: 0CAPguy0 on June 23, 2013, 03:56:41 PM
I'm new to Ubox and the Ubox forums. With that being said, do I have at least have an OK chance of getting in the beta?  :-\ I really want to participate. Also, paying again will not be a problem for me.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on June 24, 2013, 01:38:17 PM
Yes. Version 3 will have optional dark matter particle halos around galaxies.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: GalaxyWanderer on June 26, 2013, 11:35:09 AM
Say a comet impacts in an ocean; will tsunamis be simulated?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: 0CAPguy0 on June 26, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
Say a comet impacts in an ocean; will tsunamis be simulated?
Ooh, good question.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: SmittenKitten on June 27, 2013, 02:29:12 PM
Buying a new version for a game you already own is just stupid. javascript:void(0);
A new version should be an update, not a new game.

Signed: SmittenKitten. javascript:void(0);
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on June 27, 2013, 02:40:37 PM
Buying a new version for a game you already own is just stupid. javascript:void(0);
A new version should be an update, not a new game.

Signed: SmittenKitten. javascript:void(0);
If you watched the Unity presentation of Ubox 3, you would know that the team started from scratch on the project. They're also using a different engine for the game, so I wouldn't think it would be feasible to be able to update Ubox 2 with a new game engine.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Coolman1220 on July 11, 2013, 02:58:59 PM
Say a comet impacts in an ocean; will tsunamis be simulated?
That would be so cool if that happened, but i doubt it will.  :(
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on July 11, 2013, 06:31:02 PM
just a thought, even though you'll probably not implement it

maybe like as time passes have like the [t-word i forgot] plates like shift and have the continents reshape. that'd be cool
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Rainbow on July 12, 2013, 04:12:17 PM
US3什么时候发布?Aipha版也行
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Rainbow on July 12, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
Say a comet impacts in an ocean; will tsunamis be simulated?
That would be so cool if that happened, but i doubt it will.  :(
那要考虑到配置问题
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Coolman1220 on July 12, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
maybe like as time passes have like the [t-word i forgot] plates like shift and have the continents reshape. that'd be cool
Tectonic? Is that what you meant?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on July 13, 2013, 05:34:26 AM
ah yes thanks
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on July 13, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
ah yes thanks
lol
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Syed on July 14, 2013, 03:04:43 AM
This kind of killed a part of me. I was looking forward to US3 but now that it costs money I'm sure I won't get it. I'm 15 because of that I can't work or make money and I rely on my father to buy me these things. Unfortunately he thinks everything is a video game and almost never buys me anything on the computer he believes US is a game but I find it rather educational. But hey, I'm sure I can stick with US2.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on July 14, 2013, 09:02:25 AM
This kind of killed a part of me. I was looking forward to US3 but now that it costs money I'm sure I won't get it. I'm 15 because of that I can't work or make money and I rely on my father to buy me these things. Unfortunately he thinks everything is a video game and almost never buys me anything on the computer he believes US is a game but I find it rather educational. But hey, I'm sure I can stick with US2.
That sucks... maybe you can try to convince him. Heck, show him the Unity presentation of Ubox 3! That should make him think again about possibly buying Ubox 3 for you. Hope I helped.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on July 14, 2013, 06:49:12 PM
Also, Dan mentioned he could help you if you couldn't afford it a few times before, so maybe contact him about that
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Ancalagon on July 18, 2013, 05:22:40 AM
I just bought US2 through steam yesterday, and I find it very fun. I felt with this the same way when I first play mass effect (it was mass effect 2) the first moment I could travel to planetary systems across the milky way.

At first, I was a bit disappointed about not receiving US3 for free, but checking the video presentation with unity engine, I agree, US3 seems totally better than US2, and I am pretty sure I will pay for US3. (Besides, development is not free and after thinking and seeing the reason, I totally agree)

I have a question concerning future updates, and the implementation of new astronomic objects (for example, the new moons of Pluto, Kerberos, Styx)
Have you any plan to update discovered objects or renamed objects after US3 release? (renamed, I mean when an object is named like 2009TX300 and then it has a mythological/other name assigned)

Also, there is the Gaia mission to be launched this year that will begin to map nearby stars in 3D (its aim is 1 per cent of milky way stars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28spacecraft%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28spacecraft%29)))


Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: MaximizedAction on July 26, 2013, 04:00:40 AM
Just got Ubox 2 gifted on Steam and I think it's great! With stuff happening like: increasing masses of bodies takes into account Schwarzschild radius, temperature changes etc.
Though what I really sadly missed were gen. relativistic effects like grav. bending of light - and yo some part even maybe the speed of light limit to grav. effects, but didn't want to be too nitpicky, so it's awesome nonetheless!

@topic
Assuming among those ellusive 'awesome things' you guys are developing for Ubox 3 are some gen. effects, I'd definitely buy the new version, IF...I were able to purchase it. Problem: I don't have a credit card or paypal account (too paranoid). Considering how you're releasing a Mac version, do there happen to be plans of releasing it on the Apple App Store (there I could purchase it)? Or even maybe on Amazon?

Couldn't imagine playing around with anything better when writing my theses paper on black holes!  :D

Thx
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: aleatoriedad on July 26, 2013, 04:22:54 PM
Yes. Version 3 will have optional dark matter particle halos around galaxies.

Dan, quick question. After v3 is released, once I pay for it, what will happen to the game I currently have on my library? Will v3 appear as a separate game, or will it upgrade v2 and overwrite it?

Also, will you please remove the impossible achievements from v2?

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: dechireur77 on July 31, 2013, 02:28:35 AM
sorry for my english.

/ 1 Can you give me your opinion if you think it is possible that the game will be available before September? Or a month later, but just your opinion

/ 2 The game will cost us more than 50 Ä? (Ä in my case) $. Just your opinion, not necessarily a close estimate?

/ 3 If the collision of the Earth with the moon. the Earth deviandra a lava planet because of the heat generated by the impact? (A dead planet ^ ^) ?

/ 4 The game that will be available on Steam?

good job giant army (Sublime)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on July 31, 2013, 02:26:30 PM
Dan mentioned somewhere that it is not going to be above $70, so it will probably cost less than 50 Ä
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: dechireur77 on July 31, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
Dan mentioned somewhere that it is not going to be above $70, so it will probably cost less than 50 Ä
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ok thank you for the info
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Astronomy02 on September 29, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
I would buy it if it retailed a bit more than the current US2 price. If it was 70 bucks, heck no.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 30, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
sorry for my english.

No worries... I'm sorry I don't know how to speak your native language. Thanks for learning English.

/ 1 Can you give me your opinion if you think it is possible that the game will be available before September? Or a month later, but just your opinion

Not October either...

/ 2 The game will cost us more than 50 Ä? (Ä in my case) $. Just your opinion, not necessarily a close estimate?

The final released version will cost less than 50 Ä.

/ 3 If the collision of the Earth with the moon. the Earth deviandra a lava planet because of the heat generated by the impact? (A dead planet ^ ^) ?

That's the plan... still working on making that as awesome as it should be.

/ 4 The game that will be available on Steam?

Yes. The new version will be avaliable on Steam.

good job giant army (Sublime)

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Jupiter on October 05, 2013, 11:29:07 PM
if the game gonna be free lets divide by 0....lets see 0/0=?? wait what   ???  :o
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on October 06, 2013, 10:29:33 AM
if the game gonna be free lets divide by 0....lets see 0/0=?? wait what   ???  :o
Uh...
The game is not going to be free.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Jupiter on October 06, 2013, 11:58:50 AM
wait what!  >:(
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on October 06, 2013, 12:30:52 PM
/ 2 The game will cost us more than 50 Ä? (Ä in my case) $. Just your opinion, not necessarily a close estimate?

The final released version will cost less than 50 Ä.

well at least it's not more than 50 Ä.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: tuto99 on October 06, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
wait what!  >:(
Surprise? This game is going to be awesome, don't be greedy. >.>
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Jupiter on October 06, 2013, 09:15:30 PM
i thought space engine was awesome  ._.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: JayPix2012 on October 08, 2013, 09:39:48 AM
Mr. Dan Dixon, I am just wondering if you got anymore news for us like, progress reports, more images of the NEW Universe Sandbox, or whatever news that you can give us at this time. Hope that BETA will soon. Good luck and keep up the good work sir. Yeh for the Universe. :D
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Camacha on October 24, 2013, 12:04:38 AM
wait what!  >:(
Why do people keep on thinking that months, even years of development are not going to cost anything? Small incremental upgrades, sure, but this is a total rebuild and essentially a whole new simulator. Without people paying for it, it could simply not exist.

Considering people easily pay 60 euro for some AAA games that hardly innovate paying less for a proper simulation can hardly be a problem.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Jupiter on October 26, 2013, 05:30:58 PM
cant believe that comment has so many replies!...yet  :D
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Jupiter on October 26, 2013, 05:31:51 PM
oh and is the update is going to be released in 2014?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on October 27, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
anywhere from today to 2999
universe sandbox 3 will be released in the third millenium. that's what the 3 stands for

It will definitely be out by then. :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Sirius18933 on November 02, 2013, 12:28:45 AM
I think Universe sandbox 3 probably released on November the 28th
As the celebration of comet ISON (if it survive)  :-X ?
Title: STEAM?
Post by: carsont69 on November 15, 2013, 03:24:46 PM
I have 2 questions 1.will version 3 be on steam? 2.if so if i have Universe sandbox on steam will i get v.3 for free?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: blotz on November 15, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
Yes and no.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: DenisineD on November 30, 2013, 03:02:01 AM
I don t have any problem with the fact that i will need to pay for this hardwork.

If you can concentrate on something that you love to do, i m happy with this, because i would like to be able to do so lol.

I would have even donate (if the game was free), but with all the work that you re doing on this simulator its normal that we pay for it. Without it they wouldnt be an other US.
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Naima on July 16, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
Are there any future updates planned or the development is over?
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Xriqxa on July 16, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
US1 is no longer being worked on, but US2? This shit is just getting started!
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Naima on July 16, 2014, 07:30:50 PM
I dunno what version I have, I just bought it Yesterday , does it means that I have already to trash it and that I will get no free update if the new version comes out tomorrow or next???

Ok I saw I have Steam edition 2.2.0 ... what does it means is latest and I will get a free update or I have trashed money?
Title: Posted by: metplex84
Post by: metplex84 on July 21, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
I hope it gets released soon,I lllllooooovvvvvveeee Universe Sandbox,and this rewrite or whatever you call it......those graphics are........BEAUTIFUL......Please release it before Labor Day,I also signed up for alpha :)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: metplex84 on July 30, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Please release it sooon,I want it sooooooooo bad,(please release next month)
Title: Re: Upgrades & Updates: The Future of Universe Sandbox
Post by: Shriqua on July 30, 2014, 05:07:04 PM
Please release it sooon,I want it sooooooooo bad,(please release next month)
He can't decide WHEN it will be released, he and his team are hard at work making US2 the best it can by adding and polishing some amazing new features while also trying to eliminate every bug and glitch to make the game perfect, if it wasn't already.