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Title: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
As founder of the United Pacific States I was thinking we could maybe have a friendly little competition to submit a flag for the region that represents most (if not all) of the nations in the region. Yes? No?

If you want.

At the end we'll vote to keep the original regional flag or any of the submissions. Okay?

Post your submissions here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHFaWXAzc2xoSm5mVEZwVTVhRW92WGc6MQ) by 20120625 00:00 (UTC)

You are limited to two submissions.

Voting begins after submission deadline, post here (or regional message board) for which one you like the best (including the current one). Details on other aspects of voting will be discussed, but it'll probably be some form of stages of elimination. The submissions in the lowest third percentile based on amount of votes will be absent from the next round. If that isn't very clear mudkipz or someone can write something and I'll quote it in here.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 03:18:19 PM
suggestions:

1. include regional flag in competition, not as a seperate entry at the end
2. because so little people vs many flags, it should be done in a tournament like way, first eliminate the flags with no votes etc.
3. make people post instead of poll because multis

Also can non-ups member join and vote.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
woah mudkipz what do you mean by 1 and 3?

I don't see why a non-UPS member should be able to vote but then again I don't see why they shouldn't be able to, so I guess they can.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 03:27:13 PM
by #1 i mean.

instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result

by 3# i mean, multiple forum accounts, so make people post to vote instead of poll.

Quote
I don't see why a non-UPS member should be able to vote but then again I don't see why they shouldn't be able to, so I guess they can.
Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.

Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
also i think we should also be able to submit entries to the tups rmb, i've changed the world factbook in anycase.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result
Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

Quote
Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.
Well, then define who is in the UPS... ? I would consider it anyone who is from this forum who has a nation (plus other people who joined in NS who aren't from here), in which case it doesn't really matter who posts to vote (which makes sense instead of a poll so okay).
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result
Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

because that would give the current flag an advantage; it only has to go through 1 round and not be voted out vs several for other flags

Quote
Well usually because they aren't a part of this so they shouldn't be able to affect how we run things. It's like if indian citizens tried to vote and change the us flag to an indian one.
Well, then define who is in the UPS... ? I would consider it anyone who is from this forum who has a nation (plus other people who joined in NS who aren't from here), in which case it doesn't really matter who posts to vote (which makes sense instead of a poll so okay).

ok. how would we prevent multis though.
One of the new nations in tups could always be a puppet of someone.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
But what if they aren't? I guess we would have to ask them to sign up and Dan could verify IP addresses?

Yes, that could be bypassed but they'd be going out of their way... I don't think someone would really care to do that.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 13, 2012, 03:52:13 PM
We could just let people tell Atomic (or someone else) what flag they vote for and then he counts the votes, or let people post it in public. If a user who is suddenly called SouleatingHamburger suddenly joins the topic all of a sudden, and in his/her first post, suddenly wants to vote for a certain flag, maybe it could be because that person was, in fact, a multi.

Unless people don't like to post their votes in public.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 03:58:12 PM
Well there are members of the ups not on the forum.
we could try irc, but that would be pretty difficult.
google docs, but they could make another email
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 04:01:50 PM
I think voting should be public, I don't know why it would matter. So, kipz, you mentioned a "tournament", but it didn't seem to be like, matching pairs or anything, how would it work? Maybe like, put a lower limit on votes (percentage maybe) to eliminate flags with no, 1, (maybe 2) votes so that the votes can go to the more likely to win the next round? Idk that makes sense to me.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:06:22 PM
Yes, for the first round, eliminate all flags with no votes, then depending on how many flags left, keep going.

Someways to prevent multying:

All email to a gmail account and i'll check ip to make sure different. i'll ss votes and make the account public if anyone wants to verify later. Problem with this is that the sender must not be using gmail, so that complicates things.

Google Docs:

Can be thwarted if someone uses multiple gmails.

besides that, idk.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:08:52 PM
Or, ahah, make a wiki and then can't you post as a guest or something and that'll show the ip too.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 04:23:47 PM
I just think we trust people by posting here or have Dan or Bla verify IP. (Can Bla see IPs?)
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 13, 2012, 04:27:14 PM
(Bla cannot see IPs)
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Ok, i don't think we should need people to post their entries here, though. the rmb is fine.

well that is probabla a good thing. if bla saw ips, he'd stalk us and commiefy us all
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:30:36 PM
instead of flag1 vs flag2 vs flag 3 >>> and then pick a final flag and decide to use that or the one we have,
do flag1 vs flag2 vs flag3 vs currentflag for a more fair result
Okay. I just thought the other way made more sense.

because that would give the current flag an advantage; it only has to go through 1 round and not be voted out vs several for other flags
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^does atomic agreee with the above and if yes then can change op?
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
I did... ?
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:33:55 PM
oh nvm.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:36:44 PM
another thing:

maybe we should submit flags anonymously to prevent bias?
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 04:39:14 PM
I have an idea, actually. Yeah, if you could send submissions to me I could maybe set something up on my site so you can vote? If I can't do that or I'm too lazy then you can post your vote here or on the RMB.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:44:07 PM
'Yeah, if you could send submissions to me
that wouldn't be exactly anonymous
'I could maybe set something up on my site so you can vote?'
yeah, but only if a person cannot somehow have multiple votes
'If I can't do that or I'm too lazy then you can post your vote here or on the RMB.'
no it should be only here so Dan can check ips for duplicate.

Anyone have any idea on how to post anonymously a link of flag.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
This still isn't (entirely) anonymous, but submissions could be sent to one person who could make them an album on imgur.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
can you do some comments section on your site and then compile the album?

Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 05:17:23 PM
No cause I cannot into comments. Besides how would I be able to tell if someone just put some nickname or whatever.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
you don't need to know. thats only the submission process. the actual voting will take place on this or another thread.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 05:33:48 PM
Oh like have them submit a link (anonymously?)

I could do that... if Yqt would tell me how ezSQL works. I'll try to set it up.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
yes we nid anonymous submission for links because without it there might be a bias and people might vote on who designed the flag vs which one is actually better.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 07:22:44 PM
also can we extend this to 10 days instead of 5 so deadlike 6/23/2012 utc 0000 whatever.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 07:25:58 PM
idk why we need that much time...
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
i'll be busy for the next week.

also are we in a rush.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 07:29:58 PM
No, but...
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 13, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
but what.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 07:41:35 PM
25
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Naru523 on June 13, 2012, 11:17:52 PM
can i vote and make a flag
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 13, 2012, 11:24:00 PM
What, yes...
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 14, 2012, 12:09:29 AM
nue are you ok.... you seem to be talking funny...

What, yes...

No, but...

Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 14, 2012, 12:20:14 AM
25

what does this mean. does this mean yes: the new deadline is june 25th?
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 14, 2012, 12:57:10 AM
Yes, as it says in the original post.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 14, 2012, 01:34:30 AM
^
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Naru523 on June 14, 2012, 01:35:00 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't feel like reeding the whole topic.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 14, 2012, 05:12:13 AM
The reason we need it extended is because we need to spend at least 7 days discussing how to make the voting process perfect with no bias. :I I find it a bit funny that it needs to be made so complex just for this friendly little contest... Would we really begin to make alts and do all sorts of strange things just to... Meh. /juststaysoutofthisIguess
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 14, 2012, 07:18:37 AM
It's not arguing it's discussion on how to best set up the contest so no one gets an advantage. In anycase we spent less than 1 day discussing it and everything is basically all sorted out.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 14, 2012, 12:19:31 PM
Would we really begin to make alts and do all sorts of strange things just to... Meh.
I don't really think so, but mudkipz thinks so... It doesn't really matter. It's done.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Clockwork Freefall on June 14, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
Would we really begin to make alts and do all sorts of strange things just to... Meh.
I don't really think so, but mudkipz thinks so... It doesn't really matter. It's done.

well kip was right
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FihaOwl on June 14, 2012, 06:23:06 PM
Would we really begin to make alts and do all sorts of strange things just to... Meh.
I don't really think so, but mudkipz thinks so... It doesn't really matter. It's done.

well kip was right

Seconded
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on June 14, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
See guys? kip was right!
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 15, 2012, 03:01:35 AM
...If only because I said that.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 15, 2012, 03:23:48 AM
yes we nid anonymous submission for links because without it there might be a bias and people might vote on who designed the flag vs which one is actually better.
/me looks at fihaerry1 and kipdar
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 15, 2012, 03:26:00 AM
shud i log in as my damn dixon users
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 06:56:35 AM
wut
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on June 15, 2012, 07:15:42 AM
shud i log in as my damn dixon users

yes
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 15, 2012, 12:30:30 PM
I'm too lazy to try to set up the anonymous thing.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
i'll do it. just make a google docs and have everyone paste their link, making sure not to erase anyones. if someone's gets aciddentally erased it can just be reposted.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 15, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
I have an idea now, actually. Give me like, 5 mins.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 12:51:30 PM
ok nue
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 15, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Okay, just submit them at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHFaWXAzc2xoSm5mVEZwVTVhRW92WGc6MQ

I've put the link in the topic.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 01:01:44 PM
kol nue

shud i be impressed
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 05:53:35 PM
can we lift the two submission limit? i don't see why there should be a limit unless someone floods it and even if they do you can't tell who it was or who did it so...
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 15, 2012, 07:18:59 PM
Because I don't think people need to make so many alternate versions of flags, there might be slight changes between 5 different versions, so just limited to two, hopefully different flags.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 15, 2012, 07:38:46 PM
sad
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 27, 2012, 10:05:35 AM
people start voting.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 28, 2012, 04:53:20 AM
atomic
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 28, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 28, 2012, 04:19:31 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:55:31 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:55:37 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:55:44 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 04:56:14 PM
bump
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 28, 2012, 06:10:41 PM
http://imgur.com/a/CQSmb (http://imgur.com/a/CQSmb)

I guess just give them a vote on a 3-point scale (0, 1, or 2) and then vote on the current one

Here go mine:
0
1
0
2
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Naru523 on June 28, 2012, 06:15:39 PM
1 for 1
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 28, 2012, 06:34:34 PM
0 2 0 0
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 28, 2012, 06:36:18 PM
1200

kol sad no one likes mine
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Naru523 on June 28, 2012, 06:39:22 PM
2200
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 28, 2012, 10:30:40 PM
Current (in case you can't do simple addition or are too lazy):

3 7 0 2
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 29, 2012, 12:49:41 AM
kolok

0210
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 29, 2012, 12:55:22 AM
you cannot vote change silly

stop being a favoritism
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 29, 2012, 05:21:45 AM
I vote 1 for the first flag (with the red/yellow star and green lines) and 2 for the Wikipedia-like flag.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on June 29, 2012, 06:25:10 AM
I vote for the red/yellow star and green lines flag
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 10:01:01 AM
no you rate the 4 flags with numbers from 0 to 2
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Bla on June 29, 2012, 10:49:03 AM
I only see 3 flags in the album?
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
4th is original flag
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on June 29, 2012, 12:21:19 PM
2000
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 12:44:20 PM
kolok you favoritist
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 29, 2012, 01:01:40 PM
you cannot vote change silly

stop being a favoritism
kolok then 2222
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
no darvote is


0210


(http://signavatar.com/21995_v.gif)
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on June 29, 2012, 01:48:39 PM
I believe it was 0200 actually.

0 2 0 0
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 01:59:15 PM
oh that

Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 29, 2012, 01:59:18 PM
no i am being non-favoritism by voting 2222
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on June 29, 2012, 02:02:30 PM
no.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on June 29, 2012, 02:14:03 PM
"UPS? What's that?" - President Auésee Dwil, of the Atur Misexia Union
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on June 29, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
when did himalia join tups
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on July 05, 2012, 09:41:56 AM
currently 6 9 0 2
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on July 05, 2012, 12:11:49 PM
but the stupid second flag is outdated
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on July 05, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
other people don't think so. at least.

outdated? what? elaborate?
stupid? opinion.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: FiahOwl on July 05, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
I meant Aeilosia not Aielosia :-\
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on July 05, 2012, 12:21:57 PM
whoever made the map can always change the seals. i can do it :P (i'm not going to change it if it won't affect your vote though, kol...)
it was not outdated when it was made.

Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Naru523 on July 05, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
whoever made the map can always change the seals. i can do it :P (i'm not going to change it if it won't affect your vote though, kol...)
it was not outdated when it was made.




GAAHH YOU HAVE BEEN INFECTED BY FIAH
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on July 05, 2012, 12:24:23 PM
...i don't get it kol...
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: atomic7732 on July 05, 2012, 02:46:01 PM
If they are supposed to be seals, SKA has one (isn't a bird)
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: Darvince on July 05, 2012, 03:05:11 PM
"UPS? What's that?" - President Auésee Dwil, of the Atur Misexia Union

The real TUPS.
Title: Re: UPS flag competition
Post by: vh on July 05, 2012, 03:54:06 PM
If they are supposed to be seals, SKA has one (isn't a bird)

seals, symbols, flag, something so that each country can be recognized anyway. the seals can be quite easily changed, so i'll do that if everyone agrees. not sure what your seal is, but i find the bird recognizable anyway.