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Title: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 23, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
Naru, you said athis in PAradoxes, and is this  true? Why would they, if they know it helps us?
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: SuperNova on August 24, 2009, 12:45:24 AM
Naru, you said athis in PAradoxes, and is this  true? Why would they, if they know it helps us?

i don't believe NASA would blow it up for no reason
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Bla on August 24, 2009, 06:49:09 AM
My logic software, Logic 2.0, calculates that NASA will not blow up the Moon! :D
(I don't think it'll happen, wasn't it just a paradox or something, self-contradicting?) :)
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 24, 2009, 07:08:20 AM
No clue, so I asked. ;D
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Chaotic Cow on August 24, 2009, 08:04:17 AM
What? Didn't I make a similar thread talking about how NASA is smashing something into the moon.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Naru523 on August 24, 2009, 08:49:46 AM
I have no clue, just saw a video of it, it should be in related videos in Lagrange Points vid.

Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnmEXT2UP0Q&feature=related

No clue if its real or not.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 24, 2009, 12:02:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnmEXT2UP0Q

Weapons sent into space were destroyed by extraterrestrials? Give me a break.

This video is conspiracy 'theory' nonsense.

Extraordinary claims (like those in this video) require extraordinary evidence. This video presents pseudoscience and made up claims.

Cloud of water vapor on the moon? I think they're just making that up.

And they make some claim suggesting that we brought back alien technology from the moon. Really?

The video also makes the tired claim about cross-hairs not visible in photographs.

Here's the Wikipedia article on the spacecraft they claim is going to "bomb" the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCROSS
"LCROSS is designed to watch as the launch vehicle's spent 1,043 kg (2,300 lb) Centaur upper stage strikes a permanently shadowed region near the south pole of the Moon (projected impact at the lunar South Pole is currently: Oct 9, 2009 at 11:30 UTC)."

Crashing a 2 ton spacecraft into the moon isn't going to cause earthquakes or tidal waves on the Earth. They're just making this stuff up.



I don't believe that aliens have ever visited the Earth. This is because no one has presented good evidence that this has happened. All of the blurry,  lights-in-the-sky, UFO videos are only documenting unexplained lights. And unexplained lights does not mean they are caused aliens.

I think it's quite likely that there is life elsewhere in our galaxy or universe, and I want this to be true. But there's a big difference between believing in something because there's good reasons to believe it and believing in something because you hope it's true.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: SuperNova on August 24, 2009, 12:23:40 PM
why they would BLOW it up?
any use? no........blow up astroids! blow them up!
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 24, 2009, 12:28:56 PM
why they would BLOW it up?

NASA isn't blowing up the moon. A two ton spacecraft (even if it's moving really fast) isn't going to destroy the moon.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: SuperNova on August 24, 2009, 12:32:13 PM
why they would BLOW it up?

NASA isn't blowing up the moon. A two ton spacecraft (even if it's moving really fast) isn't going to destroy the moon.

i readed the Wikipedia thing and they wanna invastigate the moon not destroy it....the destruction of the moon is like the millenium bug
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Magnetar on August 24, 2009, 04:02:42 PM
Might be just another viral marketing video for that movie which is about that year in which the mayan calender is supposed to end.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Naru523 on August 24, 2009, 04:04:58 PM
NASA should really make another moon... lol...  :P :P :P
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 24, 2009, 04:27:40 PM
Then we could be lighter on our feet! :P
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Naru523 on August 24, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
We should get 0.90 gravity surface...  :P :P
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: SuperNova on August 25, 2009, 01:10:59 AM
that year in which the mayan calender is supposed to end.

don't believe that shit, its 1 big hoax
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Magnetar on August 25, 2009, 06:52:51 AM
that year in which the mayan calender is supposed to end.

don't believe that shit, its 1 big hoax

There's actually some sort of action movie coming out about this special year.
They also made a fake documentary in which pseudo scientists claimed that earth would align with the orbital plane of the galaxy and horrible disasters would happen by some bad-ass ............ gravity effecting the entire solar system. The fact that the dinosaurs however survived this alignment some billions years ago already makes you able to stay calm and just ignore that scientifc bs.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: qwew80 on August 25, 2009, 07:57:57 AM
If NASA were to destroy the moon, not only would the effects of the debris be disasterous, the impact eliminating most of earth, but the evolutionary process would be extremely damaged. If it's true that the sun is a binary and this other star is past the Oort cloud, AND that it is sending meteorites into the solar system every 26 million years, then blowing up the moon would only diminish our chances of not only survival, but re-evolution, to a number pretty close to zero.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 25, 2009, 09:36:43 AM
However meteorites are shoot in the solar system every 26 millions years, not because it is a binary star systems, but because all the solar system is going up and down in the Milky way, so that every 26 millions years it passes near lots of stars and after another few millions years the meteorites influenced by these stars finally reach the inner solar system.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 26, 2009, 04:03:34 PM
I saw a history channel the universe episode about what if the moon disappeared. Tidal waves, ocean life extinction, pitch black nights, crazy change in seasons due to uncontrollable axis. What if we never had moon: 8 hour days, extreme storms, short stubby plant life, short armored animals, no humans, no plate tectonics, shorter lived magma core, mars like planet, almost no continents, changing seasons, etc.

They would be stupid to destroy the moon, it would endanger all life forms on earth.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 26, 2009, 04:18:49 PM
Let's say NASA did want to destroy the moon. How would they do it?

Even if we launched humanity's entire arsenal of nuclear weapons at the moon it would only make a small dent.

We couldn't destroy the moon even if we wanted to (I think... any objections to this claim?).

It would be fun to do that math on this. After I release version 2 I plan to focus on improving explosions and collisions. A simulation of this would be awesome.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 26, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
You should add explosives! That would be cool! You launcha GIGANTIC explosive! And add preset spacecraft, and add like something to make it control itself to somewhere. Like you put in launch date, and where to go. Then it creates an object that comes from the surface of Earth, and it calculates where to go, and adds thrust and whatnot as it goes along so you can choose for it to orbit, or crash land, or land slowly.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 26, 2009, 04:35:46 PM
And spaceship!!! :)
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 26, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
And you can view from within it!
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: qwew80 on August 26, 2009, 05:19:05 PM
What about manual controls? :D :D :D
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 26, 2009, 05:24:20 PM
Nahh...
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 26, 2009, 05:26:16 PM
When I add spaceships (sometime after version 2 is released)... It's likely the first iteration of them will only be manual controls. :)
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 26, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
But they will be affected by gravity right? The fun part would be slingshotting through solar systems.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 26, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
But they will be affected by gravity right?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: SuperNova on August 27, 2009, 01:38:48 AM
Let's say NASA did want to destroy the moon. How would they do it?

Even if we launched humanity's entire arsenal of nuclear weapons at the moon it would only make a small dent.

We couldn't destroy the moon even if we wanted to (I think... any objections to this claim?).

It would be fun to do that math on this. After I release version 2 I plan to focus on improving explosions and collisions. A simulation of this would be awesome.

it would be so awsome to shoot a object to the moon (in universe sandbox) and see the moon do: BOOM!!
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 27, 2009, 08:36:21 AM
I saw a history channel the universe episode about what if the moon disappeared. Tidal waves, ocean life extinction, pitch black nights, crazy change in seasons due to uncontrollable axis. What if we never had moon: 8 hour days, extreme storms, short stubby plant life, short armored animals, no humans, no plate tectonics, shorter lived magma core, mars like planet, almost no continents, changing seasons, etc.

Can I object? (Not to you but to the history channel)

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ocean life extinction
Tidal waves was needed only for creating life, not for maintaining it.

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pitch black nights
Right, but life always adapt... Star light is way sufficient. What about cats?

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crazy change in seasons due to uncontrollable axis
Really? I don't think that Mars or Venus have uncontrollable axis...

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8 hour days
Why this should happen? However I don't know if this is right or wrong.

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extreme storms
I don't think so... I could have believed the opposite... (tides create seas currents that influence the atmosphere)

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short stubby plant life, short armored animals, no humans
WHY??

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no plate tectonics, shorter lived magma core
Maybe. The Moon could stress the core of our planet (Just like Io stressed by the other Medicean Moons and by Jupiter).

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mars like planet, almost no continents
Again, why??
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: atomic7732 on August 27, 2009, 11:27:38 AM
Yes, Mars does have uncontrollable axis.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 27, 2009, 11:51:01 AM
Let me explain, sorry if there was any lack of evidence. In about one thousand years Mars could be on its side, changing the deserts to ice caps. Ocean life extincts because no tides, no moon light(very important to coral reefs), currents changed by tidal tsunami. Like I said it's not really about light, its the plants and corals that really need moonlight(many plants bloom at night). If something never hit the earth and created the moon, the earth used to spin in an 8 hour day. The impacting planet hit at an angle and they believe we are so rich in iron because its core later impacted the earth and was absorbed. That explains the longer lived core and why the earth didn't turn up like Mars, or else we would have(all the heat escaping the core until it died). The faster rotation would make constant storms, much like jupiter, leading short stubby plant life and different types of animals. One small change changes the whole evolutional time line, and to me this seems like a lot of changes. There probably would have never been dinosaurs or mammals, just fish(maybe not even).
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 27, 2009, 03:34:25 PM
now it is clearer ;), however the rotation of the axis of mars every thousends of years doesn't mean that life could not evolve. Animals and even plants migrate after all.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 27, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
We haven't evolved at all in the past 6k years.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Bla on August 27, 2009, 10:39:27 PM
I think our brain has been one of the fastest evolutions, and I think even if we look back 6000 years we might be able to see a small difference.
But ofc, evolution happens over longer time than that. Depending on how accurately you measure it. We constantly evolve, ofc, but we can only see the changes over a long time.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 28, 2009, 01:08:11 AM
For example the mixing or races is a type o evolution and yet it can happen in 50 yrs.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: Dan Dixon on August 28, 2009, 01:59:20 AM
Evolution is driven by natural selection. Human genetic change is now driven by both natural selection and human intervention.

In the same way humans have shaped species of pea pods and dogs, humanity is collectively altering its own genetic direction and is not longer at the whim of natural selection.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 28, 2009, 02:50:28 AM
About the axis. The evolution isn't joint to a point of the planet. Species can learn to move, look at all the animals that travel thousends of kilometers every year. The uncontrollability of the axis will bring to a change in the local climate every hundreds of years, far less than what we are doing to our planet with global warming, in this moment (in fact a lot of plants and animals started to migrate...). Moreover the global climate of this hypothetical Earth will remain the same or near it.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: qwew80 on August 28, 2009, 02:42:24 PM
Bye the way, solar winds play a very large part in evolution and genetic mutations.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 28, 2009, 04:44:52 PM
[...] humanity is collectively altering its own genetic direction and is not longer at the whim of natural selection.

I have to disagree with you.

If we consider that natural selection is actually the selection driven by the ambient, we can tell that there is actually a selection in humanity.
The ambient of humanity (in the Occidental society) is no more "Nature" where we have to find food to survive. We fixed the problem with technology and the life style is much higher. Now the ambient is the society: for example we are growing generation by generation because taller people are nicer...

Thoughts? (should I create another topic?)
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 28, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
Evolution is driven by natural selection. Human genetic change is now driven by both natural selection and human intervention.

In the same way humans have shaped species of pea pods and dogs, humanity is collectively altering its own genetic direction and is not longer at the whim of natural selection.

This may not be your point but we can't tell someone you can't have kids because you're dumb or you contain a genetic disease. We may be able to do this with animals but not sentient beings. So our technology has to make up for our bad genes until we figure out how to change the genes of an unborn child(probably when it hasn't developed yet), which will be a great discovery but probably something very difficult to do.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: FGFG on August 29, 2009, 03:04:29 AM
Yes, it is correct, but we haven't reached such a tech level. ;)

But when we will reach such a level families (rich first, and poorer after) will start to change genes of their children for beauty (green/blue eyes, taller, etc.). You can say: "Hey! That's no more natural selection!", but the beauty is relative, and it is relative to the ambient: our society. Just look at the "beauty model" on TV.
Title: Re: NASA To Blow Up The Moon?
Post by: hbmp88 on August 30, 2009, 02:34:57 AM
Yes, it is correct, but we haven't reached such a tech level. ;)

But when we will reach such a level families (rich first, and poorer after) will start to change genes of their children for beauty (green/blue eyes, taller, etc.). You can say: "Hey! That's no more natural selection!", but the beauty is relative, and it is relative to the ambient: our society. Just look at the "beauty model" on TV.

People can be beautiful and smart! ;) A first. :P