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Universe Sandbox Legacy => Universe Sandbox Legacy | Discussion => Topic started by: Dan Dixon on December 21, 2011, 06:46:40 PM
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I'm against SOPA, a proposed United States law that would make simply linking to copyrighted material illegal and would effectively force me to shut down these forums out of fear of jail time for the actions of others. This is why Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, and Wikipedia are all against it.
What is SOPA and why is it bad?
http://americancensorship.org/infographic.html (http://americancensorship.org/infographic.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act)
It's a terrible law written by corporations for their benefit alone. It will stifle innovation and destroy the internet as we know it.
If you live in the United States you can send a message to your representative urging them to vote against SOPA using this link:
https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8173 (https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8173)
I'm going to leave this topic 'sticky' until the terrible law is voted down or abandoned.
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I'm against SOPA, a proposed United States law that would make simply linking to copyrighted material illegal and would effectively force me to shut down these forums out of fear of jail time for the actions of others. This is why Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, and Wikipedia are all against it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act)
It's a terrible law written by corporations for their benifit alone. It will stifle innovation and destroy the internet as we know it.
If you live in the United States you can send a message to your representative urging them to vote against SOPA using this site:
https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8173 (https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8173)
I'm going to leave this topic 'sticky' until the terrible law is voted down or abandoned.
We shall import the models of the people who wish to pass this bill, set them to auto orbit around the sun, and change their eccentricity to 1.0!
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So like, vote here to save the internet
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fWjUnab&pv=66 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fWjUnab&pv=66)
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I'm pretty sure the only ones for it are very stupid people, major corporations, and very stupid congresspeople.
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Wouldn't that also mean that tens of thousands of forums would have to be closed, even fan forums?
Whoever thought of that law is a complete idiot really, and yes I'm against it. Not to mention the extreme unintended consequences, heck, the law of unintended consequences hit that strict Alabama immigration law pretty hard.
Anybody want to bet a republican created the law?
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Wouldn't that also mean that tens of thousands of forums would have to be closed, even fan forums?
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Anybody want to bet a republican created the law?
Yes and Correct. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_S._Smith)
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We shall import the models of the people who wish to pass this bill, set them to auto orbit around the sun, and change their eccentricity to 1.0!
Because they'd care?
I'm pretty sure the only ones for it are very stupid people, major corporations, and very stupid congresspeople.
And people who obviously don't understand the internet and how it functions.
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We shall import the models of the people who wish to pass this bill, set them to auto orbit around the sun, and change their eccentricity to 1.0!
Because they'd care?
<snip>
(http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/12182/12475334.jpg)
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lol!
Also, according to Wikipedia, Ron Paul is against it, which is good. While I agree with him about focusing more domestically (bridge repairs anybody?), however his isolationist attitude is pure texan stupidity (thats at the politicians in general, especially republicans, regular texans are fine). Santorum in an interview on CNN made a really good description of it 'cut ties with foriegn policies and curl up into a fetal position' I forget what exactly he said before fetal position, but he is right on the mark.
Not to mention that the wiki page mentions that it sets an extremely dangerous precedent and that unintended consequences will come back to bite washington on the ass.
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I'm against this as well.
Here is an interesting music video about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1w6GtwOvnWM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1w6GtwOvnWM#)!
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The internet used to be free (well not really)... But then it took a SOPA in the knee.
Yes, this is corporate fascism. Copyright should be the right to copy whatever you want, not the "right" to stop people from doing it.
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You can sign this at least: http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fWjUnab&pv=66 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?fWjUnab&pv=66)
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Let's please stay on topic and watch the language. Thanks!
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Sorry and I was going on a bit of a rant off back there.
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living out of the states lol so cant help :-\
it's even annoying for us who aren't in the US. If we link to anything copyrighted there, then bam, the US is on our case.
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living out of the states lol so cant help :-\
it's even annoying for us who aren't in the US. If we link to anything copyrighted there, then bam, the US is on our case.
Exactly. Law of unintended consequences. Not to mention that the law would set a very dangerous precedent.
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Let's please stay on topic and watch the language. Thanks!
Language? What language?
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Let's please stay on topic and watch the language. Thanks!
Language? What language?
It was there before. They just edited the post.
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Let's please stay on topic and watch the language. Thanks!
Language? What language?
It was me going off on a bit of a rant about texan politicians, don't worry about it, and I only used one or two 'bad words'.
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Our entire government is bought out by corporations.
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Our entire government is bought out by corporations.
It's sad, isn't it?
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Maybe you'd want to post this in the OP?
WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM#ws)
It's a very good video explaining what SOPA is :)
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Interesting video. It also tells a lot about how weak our corrupt, money-driven "democracies" are.
This link also has some things which people not living in USA can do.
http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)
I feel like such a slacktivist for signing so many online petitions but never going outside to protest against what is happening around Earth... Lol. :(
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You know, I wonder if the copyright stuff in SPOA would hit even those that actually want that bill. What about service sites like banking sites? Sounds like the law of unintended consequences is going to hit like a nuke. Not to mention the dangerous precedants because OTHER countries could very well do the same things to us.
If the recent protests are saying anything about the general discontent at the goverment, I'm sure there are going to be massive protests if this happens. Hell, I hope the problems happen to the senators and congresspeople themselves because I'm sure they have their favorite sites and daily stuff that will be affected.
Seriously, we need a new government.
Edit: I wonder how far the consequences will go because all it takes is one errant link or ad to shut down even a companies own help forums.
OR maybe other companies will use software copyrights for software that another major company uses? I can predict all hell breaking loose if either or both of those laws go through.
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Edit: I wonder how far the consequences will go because all it takes is one errant link or ad to shut down even a companies own help forums.
I suppose this would be an effective way of making a statement if any of these laws pass. People could make sure the companies' sites themselves break the law and then they realize that they messed up. Bad.
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I've just thought of something, what about the government sites themselves? I don't mean just the big ones, I mean stuff like USGS, state parks, congresspeoples and senators own sites, state government sites.....
The law of unintended consequences might actually hit as hard as the moon crashing into the earth, or that protoplanet, Theia I believe, crashing into the proto-Earth to form our moon.
We have too many old people in congress and senate right now maybe......
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I've just thought of something, what about the government sites themselves? I don't mean just the big ones, I mean stuff like USGS, state parks, congresspeoples and senators own sites, state government sites.....
The law of unintended consequences might actually hit as hard as the moon crashing into the earth, or that protoplanet, Theia I believe, crashing into the proto-Earth to form our moon.
We have too many old people in congress and senate right now maybe......
Old-timers who don't get tech? Correct.
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I would really rather target the corporations that fund and are for this bill than the government sites themselves... :-\
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I don't mean target the government sites, I mean would they get affected by this law if it goes through.
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Not sure how. Nothing can really be posted on most of them.
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Not sure how. Nothing can really be posted on most of them.
There is something called hacking.. I think.
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Hacking a government site? I don't think that's a smart idea.
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Hacking a government site? I don't think that's a smart idea.
Why not? Just pop into starbucks and hack in. Or better yet, maybe you will sacrifice yourself for your country and do it at home. Just post some piratebay torrent links there, and you're able to take down usa.gov
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Black hat hacking is illegal.
Yes, I had to be specific. Black hat hacking (the bad hacking) is actually called cracking. White hate hacking (the good hacking) is called hacking.
GET YOUR TERMS RIGHT!
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Whether its a good hacking or not, just hacking a goverment site can still get you into trouble.
Anyways, the big ones probably aren't vulnerable, but what about USGS and others? Even they can have ads.
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No, I was just telling you to use cracking instead of hacking when it's bad.
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"Good" and "bad" are subjective terms.
Maybe a better alternative is: "White hat hacking is when you attempt to hack to improve security."
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all they're asking for is a anonymoose to the knee.
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Not sure what everyone is talking about but I do hope this bill is shredded and burned.
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I'm pretty sure the only ones for it are very stupid people, major corporations, and very stupid congresspeople.
You mean all of them? :D
Seriously though, I see this as doing the crash and burn, but I'm not 100% certain it will. I still have trouble accepting the Supreme Court's decision in the Citizens United case that basically came to the conclusion that corporations are people (and what's crazier still was that the Dems on the bench were the ones who made that decision). If this does pass (and who knows? it may), I don't see the internet as dying, but many sites will remove their forums or simply remove the hyperlink options from their posting abilities. I shudder to think what happens to Google, Bing and Yahoo, though, if they can't link to pages with copyrighted materials. How's a search engine supposed to work without links?
Although if it does happen, at least Facebook and Twitter will be returned to their roots, and the corps sponsoring this bill will get a healthy serving of umble pie when their favourite mass market ad machines collapse on them.
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CBS sucks (http://cbsyousuck.com/)
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News from December 27, 2011 : http://biz.liga.net/all/it/novosti/2103389-kasperskiy-raskritikoval-antipiratskiy-zakon.htm (http://biz.liga.net/all/it/novosti/2103389-kasperskiy-raskritikoval-antipiratskiy-zakon.htm)
It's Russian.
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I recently switched my hosting away from GoDaddy, a company that supports SOPA. Details and discussion are here:
http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,5547.0.html (http://universesandbox.com/forum/index.php/topic,5547.0.html)
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Sopajam: Make anti-SOPA games on January 18 and make the internet crawl with these! (http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/2012/01/13/stop-sopa-game-jam-january-18/) :)
Uhh... *Stares at high school* *stares at my Java abilities*
*Is scared*
Someone else, make games.
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This is perfect for you. Make some really simple. Don't be afraid. :)
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Wikipedia is down for 24 hours:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page)
Google has changed their logo for the day:
https://www.google.com/ (https://www.google.com/)
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A few others are also participating, CNN said that some european sites had already started the blackout, I believe Reddit is participating, not sure who else.
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This is perfect for you. Make some really simple. Don't be afraid. :)
So, uhh...
*Hides*
8818!
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lol, are there any controls? i just waved my mouse randomly and won.
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You VS SOPA.jar
Did you make that? Nice work. Exactly what I was talking about. :)
Just added a SOPA / PIPA message to the main page:
http://universesandbox.com/ (http://universesandbox.com/)
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Yes, I made it. Thanks. :P
lol, are there any controls? i just [SOPA'd]
DON'T SPOIL THE DETAILS ON HOW TO WIN. PEOPLE MUST FIGURE OUT BY THEMSELVES.
Btw, no kommunts.
I only had 2.5 hours to make it, so I decided to just focus on the things I already knew well, instead of trying to make controls, which we just started on today in programming btw, kol.
Just added a SOPA / PIPA message to the main page:
http://universesandbox.com/ (http://universesandbox.com/)
I don't see it? (Maybe it was removed by the authorities for copyr[The rest of this message is no longer available.]
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It was up while you were blaseep.
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The SOPA question got asked in the debate and at least all of the candidates are rational about it and don't support it.
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Very funny. From the Colbert show.
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/colbert-explains-how-to-deal-w.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 (http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/colbert-explains-how-to-deal-w.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29)
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Very funny. From the Colbert show.
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/colbert-explains-how-to-deal-w.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 (http://boingboing.net/2012/01/19/colbert-explains-how-to-deal-w.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29)
WIN! EPIC WIN!
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So I saw this. Why not. :)
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I Approve.
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I approve as well, only thing though is that will enough people do it so that it doesn't just register as an insignificant blip?
Also, they (the supporters of SOPA) started doing a commercial right after the blackout protest in support of it. TBH, the commercial looks more like what will happen if SOPA is passed......
Still, the blackout and protest was enough to catch the attention of congress big time, two senators even did a 180 from being in favor of it.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they were just dishonest populists who change their opinions to whatever people want them to, and don't care the slightest about what is going on.
The only way it'll catch attention is if we assume it will, and follow it, and spread it. I don't have a problem following it, since I don't watch/buy/pirate movies or music. I do subscribe to a science magazine, I'm not sure if that counts as "buying" in this case... I guess it does. Then there are the games, which I do buy sometimes, but I wouldn't have a problem waiting a month.
I don't think it would be that hard to make a "Black March" personally, but maybe it's different for other people?
Also, since it'll show up on their reports for three months, we could start now to double our effects. :P
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It's mostly the large corporations./me noms a corporate cake
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I'm not going to boycott products to protest SOPA... I don't even see how products are related to internet censorship? If I were to do so however, I'm only going to do it to companies that support SOPA.
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So I saw this. Why not. :)
I was thinking of this. I was thinking at the same time, how to spread it to the public. Maybe put up signs at nearby movie theaters and stuff to raise "awareness", for lack of a better term?
I'm not going to boycott products to protest SOPA... I don't even see how products are related to internet censorship? If I were to do so however, I'm only going to do it to companies that support SOPA.
That would be the entertainment industry. Which make millions (even billions) from people buying stuff.
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I'm not going to boycott products to protest SOPA... I don't even see how products are related to internet censorship? If I were to do so however, I'm only going to do it to companies that support SOPA.
The entertainment industry's profit hunger is the reason why these laws are being discussed. They want to stop people from pirating their stuff, so they will have to buy it instead. Which is an understandable goal in a society based on money, even though these laws will also have some other huge consequences than just preventing people from pirating.
The companies which support SOPA don't say it officially, because they know they'll get slammed by the people, to some extent - just like GoDaddy earlier in this thread. Some corporations have said publicly that they oppose it. I usually go by this rule: Always assume the worst of corporations. :P If they haven't said anything anywhere, I assume they support it.
I personally think it'd be good to show all of them in every way possible that we won't accept any of this at all. And if they don't support SOPA, you can still buy their things after March.
But it's up to you. I just think this is one of the easiest things we could possibly do to protest.
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I agree. Economic boycotts during this economic depression wouldn't be wise.
Wouldn't be wise?! They have more money than they could ever need for five lifetimes! Not to mention the people who actually are buying stuff could afford to have that money for other purposes.
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This video is very interesting.
The video you NEED to watch about SOPA! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LEb_D2SD3k#ws)
Watch it before YouTube is DNS blocked for SOPA violation, kolkolkol.
Also, here is an Avaaz campaign against ACTA (another international SOPA-like law):
http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/?cl=1530691499&v=12237 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/?cl=1530691499&v=12237)
...Edit: EU voted for ACTA yesterday :( (2012-01-26) (but it will still have to be approved by the EU Parliament). [Source] (http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Politik/2012/01/27/180045.htm)
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...Edit: EU voted for ACTA yesterday Sad (2012-01-26) (but it will still have to be approved by the EU Parliament). [Source]
Oh spaggeti no.
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...Edit: EU voted for ACTA yesterday Sad (2012-01-26) (but it will still have to be approved by the EU Parliament). [Source]
Oh spaggeti no.
I wonder if the creation of that was a response to SOPA? Sort of like 'Oh yea? Well two can play at this game!'
I don't deal in conspiracies, but global corporate conspiracy anybody?
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Kader Arif, who was appointed to investigate ACTA for EU, has quit his role in disgust:
"I want to denounce in the strongest possible manner the entire process that led to the signature of this agreement: no inclusion of civil society organisations, a lack of transparency from the start of the negotiations, repeated postponing of the signature of the text without an explanation being ever given, exclusion of the EU Parliament's demands that were expressed on several occasions in our assembly.
As rapporteur of this text, I have faced never-before-seen manoeuvres from the right wing of this Parliament to impose a rushed calendar before public opinion could be alerted, thus depriving the Parliament of its right to expression and of the tools at its disposal to convey citizens' legitimate demands.
Everyone knows the ACTA agreement is problematic, whether it is its impact on civil liberties, the way it makes Internet access providers liable, its consequences on generic drugs manufacturing, or how little protection it gives to our geographical indications.
This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade."
Source: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120126/11014317553/european-parliament-official-charge-acta-quits-denounces-masquerade-behind-acta.shtml?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120126/11014317553/european-parliament-official-charge-acta-quits-denounces-masquerade-behind-acta.shtml?fb_ref=article&fb_source=home_oneline)
This seems to be the original quote: http://www.kader-arif.fr/actualites.php?actualite_id=147 (http://www.kader-arif.fr/actualites.php?actualite_id=147)
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Apparently the effects of ACTA go beyond the internet, sounds like EU's parliament has worse issues than the US congress....
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Apparently the effects of ACTA go beyond the internet, sounds like EU's parliament has worse issues than the US congress....
USA has already signed it.
"The United States, Australia, Canada, Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Morocco, and Singapore signed the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) at a ceremony on October 1, 2011, in Tokyo, marking an important step forward in the international fight against trademark counterfeiting and copyright piracy." (couldn't resist including the last part, for the kolz)
Source: http://www.ustr.gov/acta (http://www.ustr.gov/acta)
Also, here's the law:
http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/assets/pdfs/acta-crc_apr15-2011_eng.pdf (http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/assets/pdfs/acta-crc_apr15-2011_eng.pdf)
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The EU is the one that started it up though.
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But that doesn't affect how much trouble we are in, and USA started SOPA and PIPA. :P
I don't think EU nor USA are doing good... They both seem deeply corrupted by corporations (corporrupted?).
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But that doesn't affect how much trouble we are in, and USA started SOPA and PIPA. :P
I don't think EU nor USA are doing good... They both seem deeply corrupted by corporations (corporrupted?).
But...but... You're in the EU 0_0
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But...but... You're in the EU 0_0
...And? :P
If you lived in Iran, would you automatically think it was a good place to live?
I'm against EU. I think there are some good things about it, but the bad things outweigh them.
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But that doesn't affect how much trouble we are in, and USA started SOPA and PIPA. :P
I don't think EU nor USA are doing good... They both seem deeply corrupted by corporations (corporrupted?).
But...but... You're in the EU 0_0
And we're in the US.....
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But that doesn't affect how much trouble we are in, and USA started SOPA and PIPA. :P
I don't think EU nor USA are doing good... They both seem deeply corrupted by corporations (corporrupted?).
But...but... You're in the EU 0_0
And we're in the US.....
No, I'm in the Aeridani Space State Union.
What I meant was that he admitted that his union is a corporrupted one.
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EU isn't my union. Kol.
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What I meant was that he admitted that his union is a corporrupted one.
And you're not going to admit that the US government is corrupted?
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What I meant was that he admitted that his union is a corporrupted one.
And you're not going to admit that the US government is corrupted?
I don't know about corrupted, but yes there are problems involving money and lobbyists. The extreme partisian split isn't helping things either, along with the lowest congress approval rating EVER.
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What I meant was that he admitted that his union is a corporrupted one.
And you're not going to admit that the US government is corrupted?
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Uh, I did like, 10 years ago.
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CISPA is the new SOPA
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?cl=1704881707&v=13515 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?cl=1704881707&v=13515)
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Lol. :)
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hmm
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A few others are also participating, CNN said that some european sites had already started the blackout, I believe Reddit is participating, not sure who else.
Minecraft.net was participating. And Google.
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And now... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/05/house-votes-unanimously-to-oppose-un-internet-regulations/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/05/house-votes-unanimously-to-oppose-un-internet-regulations/)
The US doing something right??? (where did that switch come from and why is it so unanimous?)
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TL;DR: The USA voted to keep the Internet out of the UN's hands and make sure the US keeps control over it.
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TL;DR: The USA voted to keep the Internet out of the UN's hands and make sure the US keeps control over it.
Looks like someone has no idea how the internet works.
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TL;DR: The USA voted to keep the Internet out of the UN's hands and make sure the US keeps control over it.
Looks like someone has no idea how the internet works.
I know they still can't control it, just saying they don't want the UN to "try" to do it either. If the US did "try" the Internet would laugh and workaround it as easy as pie.
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Well, except for the people in the US.