Universe Sandbox
Universe Sandbox => Universe Sandbox ² | Discussion => Topic started by: Cesare on September 17, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
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It is time to greatly improve Universe sandbox 2 by releasing another version which will greatly improve its graphics. My suggestion is to have the next release as Universe Sandbox 3 with super realistic graphics. When landing on a planet's surface, instead of viewing a fake view on a surface, the planets surface will have fully textured landscapes, like in Space Engine and moving waves on oceans and other bodies of water.
Currently, Universe Sandbox 2 run on an engine called Unity3D. Space Engine runs on an engine called OpenGL, so I would suggest Universe Sandbox 3 to run on OpenGL as well, because it will have much better performance and run much, much faster with super realistic graphics.
Universe Sandbox 2 has so many bugs and technical glitches, so when developers fix them, they cause other bugs and errors as well. This simulator needs to be fully rewritten on OpenGL so that it has a much stronger foundation for much better performance.
Below there are two images. The first image is a planet view from "Universe Sandbox 2" and the second image is a planet view from "Space Engine".
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That's waaaay down the list of priorities. Do you know how much work it would take to model planets? One thing at a time. We need to get the performance optimized first because there's really nothing that can run universe sandbox without hiccups.
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There's no need to call anything Universe Sandbox 3 at this point in time. I don't agree with you on the bugs issue. We've come a long way already and we've fixed countless bugs. Universe Sandbox 2 is still in Alpha and has a long way to go. Alpha and Early Access games aren't meant to be stable, this is why it's labelled as such. Procedurally generated surfaces is actually a planned feature and belong to "Universe Sandbox 2." They've not given any indication of the 3rd game. Let's get past Alpha first before doing anything of this nature.
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I do understand that features are being added at "one thing at a time" sequence. After update 21 has been fully finished and added to Universe Sandbox 2, it will be the right time to have the next version released as Universe Sandbox 3. Universe Sandbox 3 will need to run on a much better engine, so OpenGL would become a much better engine to use rather than Unity3D.
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It is time to greatly improve Universe sandbox 2 by releasing another version which will greatly improve its graphics.
I'd respectfully disagree. The question really is "What I Universe Sandbox?" If it is to provide a simulation of orbital dynamics, stellar evolution, supernovas, galactic motion, etc., then the graphics are fluff. Improving the modeling of black holes, dealing with galaxies and dark matter, collisions and Roche Limits, etc., are all modeling of real physics. Improving them, adding additional functionality for dealing with nebulae, gravitational collapse, and greater numbers of objects while improving simulation performance are at the core of the program.
Anything on the surface of a plant is "made up." You can get the sizes right and make some guesses (and they are guesses" about what an ocean MIGHT look like based on atmosphere, star type, and ocean composition, but they are all guesses and none of it is real. The core of the program is a PHYSICS simulation and I really think that improving that is a higher priority than making made up planets surfaces look pretty.
JMO.
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Give them some time, don't torture the developers
But more importantly, don't torture my computer
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I am not torturing anyone. I have good ideas and suggestions that can help.
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Like others have said, that's way down the road. The gfx have been improved more than once already, and as a retail release is still years ahead, I'm sure it will again. I don't know much about the technical aspect, but I suspect the devs have chosen a platform that allows for gfx upgrades in the future. No need to call it US3 either.
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OK. If you say so.
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I think that versions 10 thru 14 of Universe Sandbox ² gave the option to use OpenGL to do some of the calculations. So computers with better video cards could switch from Regular CPU to the video card. In the current version the options are NativeCPU and ManagedCPU. I think that they are planning on looking at using OpenGL again to see it can speed up the game.
OpenGL can be used with Unity3D.
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Simulations must be speeded up when accelerating time.
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it would be nice if past a certain speed, it would just consider small orbits stable and add the satellite mass to the parent for all calculations, or at least have that as an option.
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Simulations should be just as accurate when speeding up time. The accuracy of Universe Sandbox 2 must be improved and bugs removed to make sure that all simulations work properly when speeding up time to billions or perhaps trillions of years per second.
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I want a much better Universe Sandbox 2 simulator.
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I want a much better Universe Sandbox 2 simulator.
We all do, but it takes time and money to add features! You can't just easily add stuff. This is in Alpha anyways, so if you be patient towards release, it might be way more realistic, and feature-full! But the thing is, we don't know. It's still a long ways away.
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How long will it take for Universe Sandbox 2 to be finished?
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How long will it take for Universe Sandbox 2 to be finished?
No one knows, it'll be done when it's done.
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I don't think that it will ever be finished. They are improving the speed and accuracy of the simulation and keep adding new features. I guess they will be finished when they run out of ideas.
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I'd say the point in which we can consider it finished is when it exits Early Access. Of course, they'll add new stuff afterwards, but it will be probably refined and we should expect slower updates.
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when ever will universe sandbox 3 realese? in 2045?
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They said they have no plans for a Universe Sandbox 3. They just want to keep making Universe Sandbox ² better and better.
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Is Universe Sandbox 2 still in "early access"?
I hope that Universe Sandbox 3 will come out because I want the developers to add better graphics. If possible, I hope that they can improve the graphics like in Space Engine into Universe Sandbox 2.
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And I want a computer with infinite computing power... devs can you make one of those for me please?
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Is Universe Sandbox 2 still in "early access"?
I hope that Universe Sandbox 3 will come out because I want the developers to add better graphics. If possible, I hope that they can improve the graphics like in Space Engine into Universe Sandbox 2.
never gonna happen because you said this:
Space Engine runs on an engine called OpenGL
that's dead wrong, the official SpaceEngine FAQ says this:
Q: What engine does SpaceEngine use?
A: SpaceEngine does not use any pre-existing engine, everything was created from scratch.
Also, we cant use this engine for Universe Sandbox 3 because this:
Q: Is there a SpaceEngine SDK? Can I use the engine to make my own game?
A: Not currently. The engine is still very much in development and will require a lot of work before it is completed. However, after the engine is completed it will be possible to use it for your own project.
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I hope that future versions of Unity will make it possible for Universe Sandbox 2 to have realistic graphics like Space Engine. I know that Space Engine uses OpenGL. However, I hope that future versions of Unity will be as good as OpenGL is today.
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Is Universe Sandbox 2 still in "early access"?
I hope that Universe Sandbox 3 will come out because I want the developers to add better graphics. If possible, I hope that they can improve the graphics like in Space Engine into Universe Sandbox 2.
never gonna happen because you said this:
Space Engine runs on an engine called OpenGL
that's dead wrong, the official SpaceEngine FAQ says this:
Q: What engine does SpaceEngine use?
A: SpaceEngine does not use any pre-existing engine, everything was created from scratch.
Also, we cant use this engine for Universe Sandbox 3 because this:
Q: Is there a SpaceEngine SDK? Can I use the engine to make my own game?
A: Not currently. The engine is still very much in development and will require a lot of work before it is completed. However, after the engine is completed it will be possible to use it for your own project.
Dude why do you always write in such huge font and crazy colors
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Alright, I just created this acc for this:
I havent actually played the game yet, but I have watched some videos on yt, and heres what I think should be done:
-Introduce relativity
-Make collisions more realistic (parts of plantes breaking apart and stuff)
Il add more, once I get my hands on that game
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-Introduce relativity
Unfortunately, this probably won't happen, as the calculations involved in relativity are so complex you'd need the best supercomputer in the world to get 0.001 frames per second. I'm not joking. Relativity is insanely hard to compute for a pc. They can show effects of relativity by faking it, but they likely won't be able to actually implement the real thing for at least decades...
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I do agree with you. Collisions are not realistic at the moment. When collisions occur, there should be tonnes of fragments breaking up into space. The problem is that most fragments disappear or turn into a ball when they are below 100 KM radius. Developer must update and improve collisions as soon as they can.
In addition to collision improvement is the improvement of graphics which would be the key improvement to making Universe Sandbox 2 much better. Developers must update and improve all the graphics of planets, gas giants, stars and human sized objects in Universe Sandbox 2 to make them look like real objects.
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I hope that future versions of Unity will make it possible for Universe Sandbox 2 to have realistic graphics like Space Engine. I know that Space Engine uses OpenGL. However, I hope that future versions of Unity will be as good as OpenGL is today.
SPACE ENGINE DOESNT RUN ON OpenGL, IT DOESNT USE ANY PRE-EXISTING ENGINE, ITS CUSTOM BUILT! ITS EVEN STATED IN THE FAQ!
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I understand. Please stop spamming.
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I understand. Please stop spamming.
2 things.
1: You clearly don't understand that SE isn't run on OpenGL, as you literally said in your next post that you "know it's run on OpenGL".
2: He's not spamming. He's just telling you that you are wrong.
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I understand. Please stop spamming.
2 things.
1: You clearly don't understand that SE isn't run on OpenGL, as you literally said in your next post that you "know it's run on OpenGL".
2: He's not spamming. He's just telling you that you are wrong.
I have to agree here. Cesare is a threat to this forum.
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I do understand that Space engine runs on OpenGL.
Please don't say to me that I threaten you or this post. I never threaten anyone, but just give suggestions. Sometimes I may be wrong just like anyone could, so please correct me if I am wrong.
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I do understand that Space engine runs on OpenGL.
Please don't say to me that I threaten you or this post. I never threaten anyone, but just give suggestions. Sometimes I may be wrong just like anyone could, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Here, look at this damm SpaceEngine FAQ:
http://spaceengine.org/manual/faq/
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I already read it.
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I already read it.
Then why you say SpaceEngine runs in OpenGL if you saw the damm FAQ? AND THE FAQ SAYS IT RUNS ON A CUSTOM ENGINE?!
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so please correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah, the problem with you is that you either ignore people who say you're wrong or you say they're spamming, so it's not like we have the ability to correct you since you clearly don't care about what others have to say.
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I do care about what people say. You are correct. I got it wrong.
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I am sorry, but this is painful. I made an account on this website just to contribute to this conversation. Sorry for the bump.
First, lets get the technicalities right. OpenGL is NOT an engine. It is an API for rendering graphics. DirectX is also an API for rendering graphics. These two are the most common graphics APIs used today. You build game engines using these APIs. Example: The battlefield series uses the Frostbite engine, which rendered with DirectX. Unity3D can use either DirectX or OpenGL as the rendering method.
Gurren Lagann TSS and electricpants: Do some fact checking before abusing your caps lock and using pretty colors and formatting to gang up on Cesare. Taken from the wikipedia page of space engine: "The engine uses OpenGL as its graphical API and uses shaders written in GLSL." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceEngine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceEngine)
So yes, space engine does NOT use any pre-existing engine, it is built from scratch... using OpenGL.
So yes, Cesare was half-right, SE does use OpenGL, but OpenGL is not an engine, its an API.
Now, to answer your original question: Unity is an advanced engine nowadays, and you can definitely perform graphics updates on this game, given developers with enough time and money on their hands. You see, what you must understand is that it difficult to perform such a feat.
I very much identify with your feelings on the subject, I also wish for there to be very detailed planets and complex collision simulations, but even the current game is impressive in its scale. Adding all that will slow most PC's to a crawl and will need to be optimized very smartly to make it practical. Space engine was built from the ground up specifically to render beautiful environments. Universe Sandbox was built with the intentions of accurate physics simulations. Your demands are above and beyond the current technical and budget limitations of the team. If development continues, it may happen down the road.
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I did not know that OpenGL and Unity 3D were APIs rather than game engines. Thanks for explaining this to me in details.
However, I would like to see better graphics for Universe Sandbox 2. I think that it is possible for developers to intelligently optimize the graphics in a way that does not slow down computers.
Developers once said on their 2017 roadmap that they were going to improve the graphics when landing on planets surfaces.
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Hydro7, thanks for a great explanation of API's, game engines and so on. Much appreciated.
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I am sorry, but this is painful. I made an account on this website just to contribute to this conversation. Sorry for the bump.
First, lets get the technicalities right. OpenGL is NOT an engine. It is an API for rendering graphics. DirectX is also an API for rendering graphics. These two are the most common graphics APIs used today. You build game engines using these APIs. Example: The battlefield series uses the Frostbite engine, which rendered with DirectX. Unity3D can use either DirectX or OpenGL as the rendering method.
Gurren Lagann TSS and electricpants: Do some fact checking before abusing your caps lock and using pretty colors and formatting to gang up on Cesare. Taken from the wikipedia page of space engine: "The engine uses OpenGL as its graphical API and uses shaders written in GLSL." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceEngine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceEngine)
So yes, space engine does NOT use any pre-existing engine, it is built from scratch... using OpenGL.
So yes, Cesare was half-right, SE does use OpenGL, but OpenGL is not an engine, its an API.
Now, to answer your original question: Unity is an advanced engine nowadays, and you can definitely perform graphics updates on this game, given developers with enough time and money on their hands. You see, what you must understand is that it difficult to perform such a feat.
I very much identify with your feelings on the subject, I also wish for there to be very detailed planets and complex collision simulations, but even the current game is impressive in its scale. Adding all that will slow most PC's to a crawl and will need to be optimized very smartly to make it practical. Space engine was built from the ground up specifically to render beautiful environments. Universe Sandbox was built with the intentions of accurate physics simulations. Your demands are above and beyond the current technical and budget limitations of the team. If development continues, it may happen down the road.
One thing: Wikipedia is not a reliable source ok? So i still think that Cesare is 100% wrong.
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Gurren Lagann TSS: Some quick googling (this (http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=7) was my first hit) would tell you that the Wikipedia information is right: Space Engine does indeed use OpenGL. And with that out of the way, Hydro7's points stand.
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Gurren Lagann TSS: Some quick googling (this (http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=7) was my first hit) would tell you that the Wikipedia information is right: Space Engine does indeed use OpenGL. And with that out of the way, Hydro7's points stand.
Ok then... But i will never trust Cesare even in 100 trillion years
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Whether you trust me or not I don't care.
However, Wikipedia is correct about OpenGL and Unity3D. No doubt about that!