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Title: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 01, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
I'm spreading the No-homophobe message throughout my community, as well as a few others. Who wants to join me!?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 01, 2014, 10:39:44 AM
Good message, I'll join
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 01, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
in qatar? you're brave
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 02, 2014, 03:30:35 AM
Could you, um, stop? Islam and Islamic countries aren't anti-LGBT. Islam doesn't encourage gay practices, but it certainly doesn't oppress them.

And converting anti-bronies is a lot braver than being open to gays in a homophobic environment.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: atomic7732 on September 02, 2014, 10:32:06 AM
And converting anti-bronies is a lot braver than being open to gays in a homophobic environment.
what even the fuck

also

Islam
No one mentioned Islam but you. So I'll rebut your argument.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/LGBT_rights_at_the_UN.svg/863px-LGBT_rights_at_the_UN.svg.png)

Red - Countries which signed a 2008 statement opposing LGBT rights (initially 57 members, now 54 members).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg/863px-World_laws_pertaining_to_homosexual_relationships_and_expression.svg.png)

There are fewer countries that tend to express this in their laws... on both sides.

Not necessarily Islam, but definitely the more conservative and unforgiving and not quite the best nations on this planet?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 02, 2014, 10:54:46 AM
And converting anti-bronies is a lot braver than being open to gays in a homophobic environment.
what even the fuck

(http://i.imgur.com/Hcdd77n.png)
No one mentioned Islam but you. So I'll rebut your argument.

About that...
Darvince made a racist stereotype some time back. I made this obvious connection.
Not necessarily Islam, but definitely the more conservative and unforgiving and not quite the best nations on this planet?
I guess so. I don't like countries in the Middle East, they seem to concentrate their wealth into tiny pockets so everything looks like a slum/ghetto except for a couple skyscrapers here and there.

I'm not sure if the people's "behavior" is influenced by the religion or not (it seems to be the wealth), but you're safer on the streets of 90's NYC then here.

Or maybe I'm too accustomed to American culture to understand that this is more than a mess of bad decisions and mislead intentions.

Anyway, what's wrong with being conservative?

(And keep spreading the A-H.vrs!)
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: vh on September 02, 2014, 11:00:28 AM
i think this thread has a virus, better not click on it
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: atomic7732 on September 02, 2014, 11:16:32 AM
Anyway, what's wrong with being conservative?
"Something's obviously not working, so let's keep everything the same! For old time's sake!"

You don't bother to change with the new technologies and ideals. Very bad.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 02, 2014, 11:44:04 AM
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: FiahOwl on September 02, 2014, 12:04:00 PM

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Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 02, 2014, 12:05:31 PM
since when was qatar not homophobic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 06:04:55 AM
Anyway, what's wrong with being conservative?
"Something's obviously not working, so let's keep everything the same! For old time's sake!"

You don't bother to change with the new technologies and ideals. Very bad.

The way you said “Very Bad” made me laugh.

I think that conservatism is just to keep stuff in order to make sure nothing gets out of hand (etc. public flashing. A main idea of Islam is to have respect for one’s own body, and that idea has decayed long since with the new stuff celebs have been screwing with over the past few years)

i think this thread has a virus, better not click on it

Looks like you’ve done that pretty well.
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Welcome to the Internet.
And converting anti-bronies is a lot braver than being open to gays in a homophobic environment.

you must be joking
I don't get what the big whoop is. Care to explain?
since when was qatar not homophobic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar
Like I said before, Islam doesn't encourage gay.

There's a difference inbetween "no gay rights" and "homophobe".
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: atomic7732 on September 03, 2014, 06:56:11 AM
til penalties is "we don't encourage, but it's not bad"

in any case it doesn't need to be encouraged, it just needs to be supported
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 07:36:59 AM
I support you, and that's all that really matters on the forum.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: blotz on September 03, 2014, 07:40:09 AM
nothing else matters than supporting atomic.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 07:43:48 AM
ikr.

Anyway, let's get this back on track.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 07:54:30 AM
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There's a difference inbetween "no gay rights" and "homophobe".

homophobe is simply a social/political word to smear and censor opposing viewpoints.  The people it is used against do not have a phobia of gay people...it has as much intellectual honesty and effectiveness as calling White people racists...it will be over used to the point where even irrational Emo people can't deny it's absurdity.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 07:57:35 AM
I guess so. The transgender page on Wikipedia has a blocked domain in my country >:/

But seriously, keep spreading the virus anti-homophobia.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 08:57:28 AM
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Welcome to the Internet.

I've been on the internet for 9 years now and I have only seen a few homophobes.

Especially in real life, I know thousands of people personally because that's just what its like in rural Ireland and not one of them is a homophobe. Maybe that's why I don't its a real problem anymore.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 09:17:51 AM
Really?  They actually had a phobia of gay people?  Are you sure about that or are you simply using the catchphrase out of ignorance?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 09:19:56 AM
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Welcome to the Internet.

I've been on the internet for 9 years now and I have only seen a few homophobes.

Especially in real life, I know thousands of people personally because that's just what its like in rural Ireland and not one of them is a homophobe. Maybe that's why I don't its a real problem anymore.
I was saying that as in more than half of hater youtube comments have to mention something about gays, especially ones authored by 9-11 year olds.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: vh on September 03, 2014, 09:21:43 AM
Really?  They actually had a phobia of gay people?  Are you sure about that or are you simply using the catchphrase out of ignorance?

homophobe doesn't mean a phobia of gay people
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 09:26:37 AM
Really?  They actually had a phobia of gay people?  Are you sure about that or are you simply using the catchphrase out of ignorance?
Not sure if talking to me.....
I was saying that as in more than half of hater youtube comments have to mention something about gays, especially ones authored by 9-11 year olds.

I havnt actually seen a hater comment on youtube for a while now, but that could be because I dont read the comment anymore, too much drama.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 09:29:02 AM
Then don't use a word (homophobia, homophobe) with the word phobia in it if that's not the meaning.

Definition
By Mayo Clinic Staff
A phobia is an overwhelming and unreasonable fear of an object or situation that poses little real danger but provokes anxiety and avoidance. Unlike the brief anxiety most people feel when they give a speech or take a test, a phobia is long lasting, causes intense physical and psychological reactions, and can affect your ability to function normally at work or in social settings.

So essentially we have people that realize and use the word on purpose for socio-political censorship motives and then there is the ignorant that use it because they are ignorant of words having meaning.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 09:32:00 AM
Well what word would you use?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: matty406 on September 03, 2014, 09:32:38 AM
-phobia doesn't always mean fear, it can mean hatred, repulsion, or an avoidance. you're looking at a medical dictionary for the medical definition of a phobia. Look at hydrophobic objects, since inanimate objects are incapable of fearing anything, it means they repel water.
Homophobia is very real, not just a buzzword.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 09:37:39 AM
The English suffixes -phobia, -phobic, -phobe (of Greek origin: φόβος/φοβία ) occur in technical usage in psychiatry to construct words that describe irrational, disabling fear as a mental disorder.

In chemistry, hydrophobicity (from Ancient Greek ὑδρόφοβος, having a horror of water,[1] constructed from ὕδωρ, water,[1] and φόβος, fear [1]) is the physical property of a molecule (known as a hydrophobe) that is seemingly repelled from a mass of water.[2] (Strictly speaking, there is no repulsive force involved; it as an absence of attraction.)

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-phobia doesn't always mean fear, it can mean hatred, repulsion, or an avoidance.

fear and correct, non-psychiatric use of the meaning "repulsion"...because it could be described as evoking feelings of repulsion.  People are repulsed by a lot of things but that speaks more to what it is that causes the repulsion.  I guess hatred could result from repulsion...I'm repulsed by what ISIL does and I imagine if somebody I loved was killed by them, it could turn to hatred.


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Well what word would you use?

Other words can be used to describe people that have a different point of view.  We don't go around calling people Liberalphobes or Conservativephobes, at least not yet.  The use of homophobe and homophobia is for propaganda purposes only, like calling White people racists over concepts that having nothing to do with race.  It's use is for censorship, intimidation and as a tool in helping to manufacture a change in society that will be an illusion at best.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
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Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

Thats what Wikipedia says, notice the phobia after the homo. Also Wikipedia's list of phobias also has homophobia in the list.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 10:00:45 AM
What is this I don't even. Homophobe is a legitimate word for someone with discrimination against specifically gay or lesbian people, not some catchphrase created by the evil liberals to silence the Great Conservatives.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 03, 2014, 10:05:11 AM
Can we stop arguing? Apparently we all have different understandings of the word.

Back to hacking spreading the word please. Last time I'm asking.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 10:08:28 AM
What is this I don't even. Homophobe is a legitimate word for someone with discrimination against specifically gay or lesbian people, not some catchphrase created by the evil liberals to silence the Great Conservatives.

My thoughts exactly. I think phinehas is taking the word phobia too literally.

Can we stop arguing? Apparently we all have different understandings of the word.

I dont think we are actually arguing here, it seems more like a debate since noone is getting mad thankfully.

Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 10:09:15 AM
Well we kind of need to be a united force if we want to accomplish anything. Although that's extremely difficult on an internet forum when trolls are present.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: atomic7732 on September 03, 2014, 10:27:50 AM
phinehas is a prescriptivist who thinks he writes the english language
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
He does though, haven't you heard? There are no words in english he doesn't know because he makes every word from his hands. Hail Phinehas, Lord of English.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 03, 2014, 11:58:09 AM
I didn't think homophobia was really still a problem.
Welcome to the Internet.

I've been on the internet for 9 years now and I have only seen a few homophobes.

Especially in real life, I know thousands of people personally because that's just what its like in rural Ireland and not one of them is a homophobe. Maybe that's why I don't its a real problem anymore.
That's interesting.

From my experience (I live in Denmark and most of this was from a suburbish-semi-rural area) ever since around 5th or 6th grade in school, people (especially insecure guys) would yell "gay", "homo", "fag" etc. at each other as a slur. This is pretty universal and has happened a few times in my family as well.
Occasionally people in class put on music with the lyrics "gays bleed pink", "gays aren't real people" and so on.
High school was similar.

Some of those who use the words as slurs simply don't realize what they're saying, one in high school was for gay equality for example, but one day still called a football team he didn't like "gays". I asked him why he used that word for them and said I was gay and he said sorry.

Some others actually have pretty morbid ideas, I remember two random guys sitting talking at a table in front of me while I was soldering, one of them began to speak of how all gays were rich people involved in prostitution and other such delusional/misguided ideas.

On the political front we have two parties here dedicated to profiling themselves on anti-gay positions, the christian democrats who fortunately dropped out of the parlament last election, who like to judge and police other people according to some book they happen to really like, and Danish People's Party (DF), who also likes to share its lack of solidarity with immigrants and non-christians as well. When discussing a law in the parlament that set gay couples equal to hetero couples equal when they got children from artificial insemination, they somehow need make slippery slopes and compare it to being able to marry animals to make their points [source (http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Politik/2013/04/16/151314.htm)]...
Then there's the mail someone working in their party accidentally sent to the whole media group at the parlament, instead of their party... Writing "extremist homosexual fraction groups should get some beatings" [source (http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Politik/2014/04/29/122229.htm)]
I'm curious what kind of things they write internally
Kol

The Danish LGBT organization has asked (http://www.lgbt.dk/111/?tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2011&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=09&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=3421&cHash=ed4e3d7aa9) lots of politicians lots of questions on LGBT issues. One was:
"Do you think the religious communities should be able to decide by themselves whether they want to marry people of the same gender?" (The law forbade the marrying when the question was asked)

Here's a sample from the christian democrats party of the religion of love and all that...

- "No - I'm a Christian. And the Bible is the best guidance for life. God is love. But marriage between two of the same gender is an abomination and rebellion against God. - Marriages in the church or blessings of homophiles etc. are frauds towards the homophiles etc."
- "If you force this on the established church, it will cease to exist, because people will be pouring out of it. So even if you forced the established church to do it, it would only be temporary, because the established church would cease to exist - but then there would be resemblance in the words, if you assume the free church doesn't simply take over....."
- "Yes - I ought to have written "NO", but I guess it will be misunderstood in the schedule. It is not up to the religious community to decide on God the Lord's ways who God should bless. The Bible contains many examples of humans who want to "bless", where God doesn't! Only a fool doesn't fear God's wrath!"

And then there's Enhedslisten, good we have them and Socialist Youth Front to fight for justice.

- "Yes - We should seperate state and church, and in my opinion, we thus can't make laws about who the religious communities must marry or not. As an atheist, it's hard for me to understand why you would want to be a part of a religious community, which doesn't accept you as the one you are..."
- "Yes - But you could of course imagine the opposite situation, that the parliament says yes and the religious communities say no. Should the parliament not interefere with the religious communities' affairs in that case?"
- "It is completely stupid to have a club, where the homosexuals are kept out. If they can't manage not discriminating, maybe they should just stop marrying people completely."
- "No - I'd actually rather abolish the religious communities' authority to marry people, but as long as they have that authority, they shouldn't be allowed to discriminate."

...After it was legalized they COULD say yes though, a gay couple who wished to get married in the church (for reasons beyond me),  got rejected by 17 priests (http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/06/23/173322.htm).

So homophobia, anti-gay, anti-LGBT, whatever you want to call it, even the countries that get called the most tolerant are still infested with vermin who refuse to recognize, treat, speak of homos as equals. It will probably take a long time for the world to fight and overcome them, and the big problems obviously lie in the countries with death penalties and many years in prison as punishment above places like where I live...
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
Again, insults...logical fallacies are strong within you Jedi.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/ap-nixes-homophobia-ethnic-cleansing-150315.html


The irony.

 "the construct of homophobia, as it is usually used, makes an illegitimately pejorative evaluation of certain open and debatable value positions, much like the former disease construct of homosexuality." - William O'Donohue and Christine E. Caselles

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01371377
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
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of the religion of love and all that...

Contrast with...

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are still infested with vermin

Yes, they just simply are hypocrites and talk about love but they don't love what we do.  If they loved us, as in what we think love is, they would do more than tolerate and would accept our crack smoking, murdering, stealing and raping but they don't, we get hate speech...so we call them, drunkphobes and drugphobes, murderphobes, stealphobes, rapephobes...they are vermin...now that's love speech.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 12:44:14 PM
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 01:24:43 PM
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time

Of course I read it, hence my specific quoting and commenting on it.  Perhaps you should try that versus what you just did, being vague and making a declaration about a slippery slope you don't define in my text.  Seriously, YOU try harder or continue to look like you are grasping at invisible straws.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 01:34:48 PM
omg i'm so offended and feel a huge need to reply and make the troll feel satisfied with my anger
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Stevodoran on September 03, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
did you even read bla's post

also that's a slippery slope try harder next time

Of course I read it, hence my specific quoting and commenting on it.  Perhaps you should try that versus what you just did, being vague and making a declaration about a slippery slope you don't define in my text.  Seriously, YOU try harder or continue to look like you are grasping at invisible straws.

Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8/8

Yeh seriously im starting to get lost in this thread, that was a good read though Bla...
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: matty406 on September 03, 2014, 02:31:33 PM
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Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 04:25:47 PM
omg i'm so offended and feel a huge need to reply and make the troll feel satisfied with my anger

Perhaps Dan should stop creating threads about gayness on a software forum if they don't want opposing views.

Edit.  Was having divergent thoughts, meant to say Bla.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 04:28:40 PM
TIL Xriqxa is Dan Dixon.

But anyway, how do you not see a slippery slope in making a statement that basically equates "alternative" sexualities such as homosexuality with rape, murder, drunkenness (I don't see how this is bad unless you're driving), stealing, and being high on cocaine (again I don't see how this is bad please explain).
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 03, 2014, 05:25:27 PM
You see it as a slope because you confuse equating permanent consequences with the temporal.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 03, 2014, 05:32:22 PM
Okay I have reevaluated my beliefs and have decided that the Great Conservatives are correct and the dirty homogay are polluting our wonderful land of freedom. They are the same as the men of the world who stoop so low as to kill another man, for all people except the Glorious Christian Straight White Male are not worthy of consideration and must be kept silent. Praise be to Jesus the Saviour of all Conservative Americans!
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 04, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
homophobe - A person who hates or fears homosexual people

Love is what life's all about. Hate is for fools.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: SpyCreepers on September 04, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
i'll go neutral.. since i'm not gay
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 04, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
Being anti-homophobic has nothing to do with being gay, I'm almost certain that Xriqxa is not gay (he has never made any mention of the sort) but you don't have to be gay to be anti-homophobe at all. Technically being "neutral" only helps the more hateful side, which tends to be the homophobic side (it's in the word).
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: SpyCreepers on September 04, 2014, 11:32:47 PM
well i'm not picking any side. i'm proud being straight and doesn't hate gays.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 04, 2014, 11:36:33 PM
Why should you be proud to be straight? I'm not proud to be gay, I actually don't like it. It is like being proud of being tall, or having red hair, or any other feature that you cannot influence.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 05, 2014, 12:42:43 AM
No, I am not gay. Now can we stop derailing the thread and actually remove homophobes from our communities?

Idk hang a poster or something.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 05, 2014, 02:20:45 AM
I'm wondering Xriqxa - are LGBT issues/people something you've heard people talk about where you live or talked to others about (as in irl)? Or do people just not talk about it?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 05, 2014, 04:18:49 AM
Mainly schoolmates making slurs etc.

As I've said before, homophobia is somewhat a problem around here. Wikipedia pages about transgenders (and probably other LGBT types) have been blocked.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 05, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
homophobe - A person who hates or fears homosexual people

Love is what life's all about. Hate is for fools.

The problem however is that you either use that word incorrectly to describe people that neither hate or fear homosexual people or you water down the meanings of the words hate and fear.  If you use this word towards people that are uncomfortable around gay people, the same as a woman would be uncomfortable if a man walked into the public restroom or towards people that dislike gay culture the same as others may dislike African America pop culture, then you are being intellectually dishonest at best.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: phinehas on September 05, 2014, 05:35:37 PM
Mainly schoolmates making slurs etc.

As I've said before, homophobia is somewhat a problem around here. Wikipedia pages about transgenders (and probably other LGBT types) have been blocked.

Is pedophilia, bestiality or necrophilia blocked too?  Just wondering.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 06, 2014, 12:20:07 AM
These are all available.
Government, if you are going to block homo-sex why the hell can people still search up zoophilia, which is undoubtedly anti-Islamic?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 06, 2014, 02:45:17 AM
Being transgendered doesn't really have much to do with homosexuality, it just means you don't identify with your biological sex. I've tried copying the article over here, Idk if that would be available for you:

https://db.tt/EXRgwdqy

Is heterosexuality blocked as well? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: TheMooCows on September 07, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
I came across this quote while "trolling the internet" (only atomic will get this)

"If homosexuals can't get married because it goes against YOUR religion, then you can't have cookies because I'M on a diet."
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 08, 2014, 01:45:33 AM
That's a good point, but I don't think modern homophobia is based on religion.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 08, 2014, 02:25:40 AM
That's a good point, but I don't think modern homophobia is based on religion.
It's not in all cases, but in many cases it is. Take a look at this series for example, you'll see how because of religion, Uganda has tried to pass bills that would imprison and kill gays, and since these missionaries went there from USA, newspapers have leaked the adresses of gays and dozens of innocent people have been attacked by christians in the country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL1tyYFicXo&list=PLC5687EDE5559E31D&index=1
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 08, 2014, 06:56:05 AM
So... Uganda is wasting it's funds on killing innocents instead of supporting itself?

Homophobia rocks...
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 02:00:26 AM
Why would anyone let this thread die




I got into a pretty heated public debate with a homophobe. Nobody "won", he just sorta gave up on it.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 12, 2014, 10:30:29 AM
What did he say? What did you say?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 12, 2014, 10:34:03 AM
ten points he asked if you were gay
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
ten points he asked if you were gay
actually, he did. I said no, but then he kept implying that straight people cannot defend/socialize with gays etc.


His arguments didn't make much sense and he ended the debate saying "gays are weird".
If my theory is correct, then yes, genetically speaking LGBTs are very strange, but Japanese cartoons are (very) weird and I don't see them get rejected from society and discriminated, do you?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 12, 2014, 10:43:27 AM
omg he actually asked you kalassik home phone
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
omg he actually asked you kalassik home phone
...?

Anyway, I think the only reason people my age are gay-negative (hey a new word: gayneg) is because they are influenced by the stupid ass nine year olds in the YouTube comments.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: matty406 on September 12, 2014, 11:11:43 AM
Also because lgbt orientations aren't considered normal because of heteronormativity. It's usually set out as straight being normal and lgbt people outside that as something else entirely.
If every orientation were introduced to people on an level playing field, rather than just focusing entirely on heterosexual relationships as the norm, there would be less homophobia/transphobia in future generations imo.
Also more people need to be willing to accept mistakes and change because some folks can be homophobic without knowing.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
I used to be a homophobe.

then stuff.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: matty406 on September 12, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
I used to be a homophobe.

then stuff.
I actually used to be a homophobic asshole too
That was before I discovered i'm as straight as a ramp
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 11:17:02 AM
How does one not know their own sexuality
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: matty406 on September 12, 2014, 11:22:40 AM
Because it only emerged around secondary school as a curiosity, then there was denial and a need to fit in so i would still call people 'faggots' and the like. Then I just didn't care and came to terms with it and stopped saying stuff that I wouldn't like to be called.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
Your life is the awkward moment of silence =P

I found something I want to share with you guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYOY1CIyd_0
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 12, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
I think whether it's normal or not is actually completely irrelevant.
People with red hair or green eyes are not the norm. Virtually nobody has a problem with them, and neither is there any reason to.
But define the group a little differently - people with eyes or hair, and you have a norm.
The people who think they can make an argument against LGBT people because they're not 'normal' are as clueless as someone who would make an argument against someone with green eyes because they are not 'normal'. And if people are so bothered with others not being normal then just find a word for a group including heterosexuals and LGB... problem solved.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 12, 2014, 11:35:45 AM
Quote
just find a word for a group including heterosexuals and LGB...


Humans
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: atomic7732 on September 12, 2014, 12:55:49 PM
omg he actually asked you kalassik home phone
...?

classic homophobe
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 12, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
How does one not know their own sexuality
my sides
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 15, 2014, 05:07:27 AM
Huh, apparently homophobia amongst younger people is based on the same thing anti-Islam is: ignorance.

For instance, the homophobes my age think that the only thing gay people do is, well, what gays do that separate them from heteros.

My, my, what a glorious generation. 




Desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm wearing this modified shirt at school tomorrow; such bravery no?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 15, 2014, 10:26:32 AM
bumpy dump.

Can we have a head count of everyone in the group
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 15, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
That shirt is a cool initiative. I'm not sure if it's a good idea as I don't know how people would react, but brave yes.

I'm in the group.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 15, 2014, 11:53:48 AM
...but brave yes.




<reaction> (http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/c/cd/Spy_laughlong01.wav?t=20100626000519)

Yey more memebeers plox we needeth to erase homophobia from our society!
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 15, 2014, 09:50:40 PM
It didn't happen :c

Parents disapproved. Maybe so I'm not convicted. Damn this homophobic nation.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 15, 2014, 09:56:01 PM
I think it's for the better that it didn't happen.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 16, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Prolly
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 24, 2014, 06:36:27 AM
Okay Qatar I feel a great need to explain you a thing.

Gays don't have any unique behaviours that set them apart from people of every other sexuality, and it sure as hell isn't a separate gender. Gender and sex are two completely separate things, although many transgender children (if they are the usual MtF or FtM) are lesbian are gay before they transition simply due to the fact that they literally have the wrong body for their brain, and an overwhelmingly large percentage of the population is straight.

Also, it is very possible to not know your own sexuality. In fact, I first had a crush on a guy when I was in fifth grade (that's ten years old here) and I didn't realize what it was until last year when it all came together, my mind was more open to such things, and it all clicked that I was not straight or asexual. I thought I was straight or asexual for so long because it is extremely easy to just ignore whatever your body is telling you and doing, such as I said before, specific attraction to different males.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 24, 2014, 09:35:20 AM

Gays don't have any unique behaviours that set them apart from people of every other sexuality


When did I ever support that fact
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 24, 2014, 11:23:41 AM
For instance, the homophobes my age think that the only thing gay people do is, well, what gays do that separate them from heteros.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 24, 2014, 11:26:22 AM
Having sex with the same gender is something heteros don't do.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 24, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
oh now I get what you of meant
not stereotypes
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 24, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
Yes! Exactly what I mean! All those damn CoD noscope 9-year-old homophobes stereotype gays in a way that produces a virus of stereotypical homophobia.

Logic of CoD's:

>Homosexuals=Pedophilia-ridden rapists

My logic:

>Homosexuals=What's the difference in between them and normal people, again?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 24, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
til all homophobia is attributed to 9 year old CoD players. should be easier to stop homophobia now, right?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 24, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Pedophile rapists is actually still stereotypes, I'm not attracted to children and I don't rape people, and I'm sure a vast vast majority of other gays don't either.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 24, 2014, 12:34:10 PM
Also pedophillia =/= rapists. You can be a pedophile and still not molest kids, just find them attractive and not act on it
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 24, 2014, 12:35:49 PM
Pedophile rapists is actually still stereotypes, I'm not attracted to children and I don't rape people, and I'm sure a vast vast majority of other gays don't either.
But you are a child.

Also pedophillia =/= rapists. You can be a pedophile and still not molest kids, just find them attractive and not act on it

Also (Pedophilia+Rape)≠(Pedophiles are all rapists)
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 24, 2014, 12:37:23 PM
technically if you're 11 and you find other 11 year olds attractive you are a pedophile. im an ephebophile, because i find teenagers attractive
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on September 24, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
I could still be attracted to children who can't give their consent (under the age of 10, probably) which is pedophilia. However I'm not saying I am.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 25, 2014, 04:36:48 AM
Quote from: Jorster
Fuck this forum. You're a flipflopping dingus who thinks he's being an activist by wearing "le edgy pro-gay shirts" when really all you're doing is singling yourself out for harassment. Kindly get off your ass and do something other than posting "anti-homophobe" topics on a forum that is like 99% LGBT. You are probably a closeted Homophobe afraid to tell people on USF so you pretend that you care so much just so people like you.


Jorster, go to bed. Stress is not healthy.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 25, 2014, 07:28:06 AM
Good news! My schoolmates seem to be reacting to LGBT with positive/neutral attitudes! There are still those two or three boys who have to include a faggot joke in every other thing they say, but who cares about those guys?

Anyone have any progress elsewhere?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 25, 2014, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: Jorster
Fuck this forum. You're a flipflopping dingus who thinks he's being an activist by wearing "le edgy pro-gay shirts" when really all you're doing is singling yourself out for harassment. Kindly get off your ass and do something other than posting "anti-homophobe" topics on a forum that is like 99% LGBT. You are probably a closeted Homophobe afraid to tell people on USF so you pretend that you care so much just so people like you.


Jorster, go to bed. Stress is not healthy.
What?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 25, 2014, 08:18:23 AM

Quote from: Jorster
Fuck this forum. You're a flipflopping dingus who thinks he's being an activist by wearing "le edgy pro-gay shirts" when really all you're doing is singling yourself out for harassment.

No, that's activism/protesting.

 
Quote
Kindly get off your ass and do something other than posting "anti-homophobe" topics on a forum that is like 99% LGBT.

Why?

Quote
You are probably a closeted Homophobe afraid to tell people on USF so you pretend that you care so much just so people like you.

If that was true I probably wouldn't have a bisexual transgender for a best friend.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 25, 2014, 08:39:11 AM
I still fail to see how that relates to me?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 25, 2014, 08:42:37 AM
You posted this on the BDH
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Jorster on September 25, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
No?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 25, 2014, 09:11:22 AM
Well then some asshole is impersonating you on BDH by using your quotes and "zrikza" meme.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on September 28, 2014, 06:59:01 AM
Yes Cleo's influence on the land is spreading

So, anyone else accomplish anything in their communities?
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on September 30, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
That's a good point, but I don't think modern homophobia is based on religion.
It's not in all cases, but in many cases it is. Take a look at this series for example, you'll see how because of religion, Uganda has tried to pass bills that would imprison and kill gays, and since these missionaries went there from USA, newspapers have leaked the adresses of gays and dozens of innocent people have been attacked by christians in the country.
(http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2013/06/Revised-Report-Images-6.png)
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/?t=dXNlcmlkPTY1NTk5MzEsZW1haWxpZD0yNTc2NA==
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on October 01, 2014, 12:32:58 PM
if you actually want to change it you should "agree" with the homophobes and slowly ask their way out of their hateful pit
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Bla on October 01, 2014, 12:45:42 PM
When you write "agree" I don't know what it means? :P

Some people who were on this forum were homophobic to some extent, but agreeing with them hasn't been necessary for them to abandon that. But it's obvious that if you're hostile towards people, they generally refuse to listen as they'll perceive your speechs as attacks on them that they'll feel a need to defend against, and that often creates a barrier that prevents people from considering your case.
Disagreeing but being otherwise friendly can be effective but no single strategy works perfectly for everyone.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Darvince on October 01, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
I guess that method would work more for people who are more close minded, they'll slowly move their viewpoint as you say things that very slightly disagree with their view, homophobia isn't a two-sided deal. While you are either homophobic or not, there are many many degrees of homophobia.

When I meant agreeing I meant either being silent when they speak negatively about gays or saying something similar that could quickly change the topic, and sometimes saying something that isn't directly opposed but otherwise could shift their view as you're friendly with them. Basically the total sum of it is to be friendly to them and to get rid of any possibility of being perceived as a hostile attack on their beliefs, which is much harder for people that are close minded.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Xriqxa on October 02, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
Have a thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FMNFvKEy4c
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Gordon Freeman on December 02, 2014, 09:26:41 AM
Homophobia in itself is a vile thing, but the ways I've seen it be expressed make me question the definition of "humane".

For example, just last week my colleague told someone standing near me, "I bet you feel so happy and colorful right now."

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m96te6S4lY1qj171uo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Gordon Freeman on January 06, 2015, 11:09:33 AM
I came out as Questioner(Currently Pansexual Oriented) to a lot of classmates recently; Only a few were surprised to hear this. A lot of people were like "Oh what's new?" since it's a running gag in my school that socially outcasting myself makes me a homosexual.

Yes, people think I'm gay because I'm schizophrenic. One can only wonder what the zoophiliac stereotypes are.
Title: Re: Anti-homophobe.vrs
Post by: Cryo on January 06, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
Well id add my input on this but im stuck in my basement staring at a computer screen 6 hours a day instead of a class room... oh wait.....