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Title: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: valentin123 on March 26, 2014, 09:04:35 AM
some guy is pirating the game!
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Title: Re: DANGER! SOME GUY PIRATING UNIVERSE SANDBOX ALPHA FILES
Post by: Chris on March 26, 2014, 09:34:34 AM
some guy is pirating the game!
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We are aware of this and have already reacted.
The pirates can have fun with Alpha 5 :)
Since Alpha 6 the application requires a valid steam key (and won't run outside of steam).
Title: Re: DANGER! SOME GUY PIRATING UNIVERSE SANDBOX ALPHA FILES
Post by: valentin123 on March 26, 2014, 10:10:57 AM
some guy is pirating the game!
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We are aware of this and have already reacted.
The pirates can have fun with Alpha 5 :)
Since Alpha 6 the application requires a valid steam key (and won't run outside of steam).

ok
Title: Re: DANGER! SOME GUY PIRATING UNIVERSE SANDBOX ALPHA FILES
Post by: valentin123 on March 26, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
now that guy changed the description and put "send me a PM for the link"
strange...
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 26, 2014, 12:20:04 PM
Yeah. This is the 2nd incident of pirating of the Alpha that we've discovered.

Here's what I wrote in the comments of that file:

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I created Universe Sandbox. Myself and a team of 6 others have been working on this game for over two years and have spent several hundred thousand dollars on development.

The torrent that you're sharing is an old version that will not update and contains many, many bugs. We've only released the alpha version to a handful of testers, so it's disappointing that you would betray the early access that you were granted. Please stop sharing the torrent and remove the link.

Cool video, btw. Also... the sequel is called Universe Sandbox 2, not 3.

That said... It's good to be making something worth pirating.

Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Stevodoran on March 26, 2014, 01:30:02 PM
Such a shame to see that someone who requested access to the alpha would go and do something like this...
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: JAW1002 on March 26, 2014, 02:22:09 PM
Ah this is pretty awful still, that one of our testers, each with the desire to aid the game's development would do such a thing.. If only there was a way to find out who and stop them. But I suppose when the time comes you cant stop them all. Hope they enjoy Alpha 5..
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: blotz on March 26, 2014, 02:33:32 PM
hmm, could we report them or would that not do anything?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: smjjames on March 26, 2014, 02:42:27 PM
hmm, could we report them or would that not do anything?

How can we report them if we don't know who is doing it? Might not even be someone on the forum.

This kind of thing is why NDAs exist.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 26, 2014, 02:45:35 PM
Not worth the trouble, really. I've already spent more time thinking about this than it was worth.

Even if they signed an NDA, I'd have to figure out who did it, and then what? Anyway... disappointing, and whoever it is should feel bad (removing the link but telling people to PM them), but I'm not going to flip out about it.

Anyway... back to making an awesome simulator!

Did someone say something about connecting two dice together with spider silk?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: tuto99 on March 26, 2014, 03:01:56 PM
Adding string physics to Ubox would be cool, yes. :D
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: valentin123 on March 26, 2014, 05:30:56 PM
if the alpha had cost money,they will pirate it with more reason but,this was given away for free to people ho has signed into the "campaign" of the alpha
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 27, 2014, 07:29:56 AM
Is it [user name removed by Dan]?it might be [user name removed by Dan].
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: smjjames on March 27, 2014, 07:30:37 AM
Is it [user name removed by Dan]?it might be [user name removed by Dan].

Do you have proof?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 27, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
No, I admit, but it is a guess supported by the fact that he posted a THREAD about him wanting the alpha before being rejected by several testers.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: valentin123 on March 27, 2014, 08:00:19 AM
i hope they doesn't pirate the beta and the final version...
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 27, 2014, 08:02:18 AM
No, 3 years of work does not go down the pan without being paid for.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Lord DC on March 27, 2014, 12:37:40 PM
Although i hate him for spoiling it fr anyone that downloads it, i'm pretty sure this is a good thing becuase:
A: Awesome Dan made it steam only
B: the piraters will be tempted to buy the final release
C: they'll tell their non-pirating friends
D: the dev team will get huge amounts of money for developing more!
ALL AROUND WIN!!!!!!!!!
(except for the tester who put the link up)
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: gabriel.dac on March 27, 2014, 12:41:27 PM
There is a Judas among us
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Bla on March 27, 2014, 01:16:02 PM
Is it [user name removed by Dan]?it might be [user name removed by Dan].
No, I admit, but it is a guess supported by the fact that he posted a THREAD about him wanting the alpha before being rejected by several testers.
I don't think that's being fair to [user name removed by Dan] - that's not evidence that he pirated it at all. I think it's a bad idea to start accusing random people in public. That way we're just going to spread distrust and enmity.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 27, 2014, 09:54:32 PM
Hello? I posted my regret on the Alpha Six page!
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: valentin123 on March 28, 2014, 03:48:56 PM
the video is down by copyright!
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: gabriel.dac on March 28, 2014, 05:16:37 PM
the video is down by copyright!
who flagged it?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 28, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
I flagged it after asking them to remove the link and they chose not to comply.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 29, 2014, 05:31:33 AM
There is a Judas among us

Judas? What is Judas?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: crashman1390 on March 29, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
What if to stop such pirating, the file would be in a zip folder once downloaded and would be password locked so no one could be able to extract it...
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Nutt007 on March 29, 2014, 11:08:09 AM
What if to stop such pirating, the file would be in a zip folder once downloaded and would be password locked so no one could be able to extract it...

That's not really how Steam works at all.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 29, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
What is Judas?

"Judas Iscariot was, according to the New Testament, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ... He is infamously known for his kiss and betrayal of Jesus."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on March 30, 2014, 06:18:43 AM
Oh, so, yeah. There is a Judas among us. That is, if he is on this forum. If your are reading this, Judas guy, you suck!
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on March 31, 2014, 09:28:50 PM
Let's be careful about pointing fingers without evidence...

Someone's motivation to post something like this is never 100% clear and isn't necessarily with any malice.

And it's hard to claim that their actions hurt the project given that you can't buy it yet. :)

I'm not angry about this because it's just not worth it.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: blotz on March 31, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
i am now checking every day or so if someone else is giving an alpha away, so hopefully there won't be any more of that
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Bla on April 04, 2014, 05:48:04 PM
I've removed some posts in this thread as it was derailed and turned into personal fights, also I think we should always remember this

Let's be careful about pointing fingers without evidence...

Dan has told me it wasn't DDR who pirated it. I think people should apologize for publicly accusing him without evidence, that wasn't fair.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on April 04, 2014, 05:56:56 PM
Yep. Wasn't him. No more witch hunts please.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: DouglasSiqueira on July 23, 2014, 06:16:23 PM
I want to be an alpha tester of the Universe Sandbox 2 ;D
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Geers on July 23, 2014, 06:39:35 PM
Yep. Wasn't him. No more witch hunts please.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on July 25, 2014, 08:54:36 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Lord DC on July 25, 2014, 08:58:19 PM
can we let this thread die already?!  >:(
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Estwald on July 25, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
Yea, stop giving people ideas
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: DaniheltheMage on July 26, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
Srsly stop replying to this thread because every reply just moves it to the top of the forums... like i kinda just did...
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Shriqua on July 30, 2014, 08:35:50 PM
Maybe he had good intentions. Maybe he wanted to cut down on all the 8YO chaos.


In case you're wondering what 8YO is, it's a term coined by Xriqxa, an abbreviation of "8 year old", as in reference to all the little kids who come here just to beg for the alpha so that they can play with it.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: spacegenius2000 on August 29, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
ANOTHER PIRACY!!!

Edit by Bla: Link removed
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: gabriel.dac on August 29, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
well, how do you know that's not the same one
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: ItsIvanG on August 29, 2014, 03:59:18 PM
Also..... you might need to be aware of this too:

Edit by Bla: Link removed
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: spacegenius2000 on August 29, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
well, how do you know that's not the same one
The title said "Universe Sandbox 2 (Alpha 10)"
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: PrimeMinisterTom on August 29, 2014, 05:25:42 PM
well, how do you know that's not the same one
The title said "Universe Sandbox 2 (Alpha 10)"
If it was Alpha 10, there's nothing that they could do about it. It requires Steam. If you don't believe that, one day I got a bit tired with opening Steam and closing the process in the task-manager. I ran the actual .EXE file for Universe Sandbox2 only to find you need Steam.

Even Dan said that it can't be run without Steam.

Honestly, I think these Steam guys should cut some beef of their process… or I need to get a new computer xD
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: FiahOwl on August 29, 2014, 05:49:44 PM
they probably have a technique or way of disabiling the need of steam if they put up a torrent; I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Cosmos on August 29, 2014, 05:54:17 PM
It is useless to take action against pirates.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: SpyCreepers on August 29, 2014, 10:16:40 PM
i actually have disabled steam to few games that requires steam although i did not pirate it. so US 2 Pirating is still possible using steam apis or steam emulator
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: spacegenius2000 on August 30, 2014, 04:14:45 AM
I did not pirate US2, also.  :)
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Unnamed25 on August 30, 2014, 05:28:15 AM
Many companies that have tried to stop pirates failed, and they sometimes ended up benefiting them!
(I remember one that shut down the servers temporarily due to pirates, and the only ones that could play were pirates.)
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: spacegenius2000 on August 30, 2014, 06:03:44 AM
Eh, we'll ignore it somehow.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on August 30, 2014, 07:02:28 AM
But weren't you the guy saying "I want a Torrent"?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on August 30, 2014, 07:11:53 AM
Guys, it's not all about you, the money earned by US2 is going to Dan Dixon's wellbeing. (Or so I think; stuff changes over time)
Anyway, It's not respectable to ask for torrents until you get an Alpha copy or something. No such thing as a free lunch, you should earn your way to stuff in life instead of cheating the universe out of it. Everyone else won't fare well after that.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Bla on August 30, 2014, 07:22:10 AM
No more witch hunts please.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Camacha on August 30, 2014, 12:56:55 PM
I think the people downloading such an early version might even help sales - if people get the hang of it they will want a better version for sure and that means paying for it.

That being said, I fully understand Dan protecting his endeavour. He has every legal and moral right to do so.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: spacegenius2000 on August 31, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
But weren't you the guy saying "I want a Torrent"?
Yeah, but I learned pirating the closed alpha of Universe Sandbox 2 is nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Greenleaf on September 01, 2014, 04:52:56 AM
Even Dan said that it can't be run without Steam.

Any one specific pirated copy may be defective or poorly cracked, but as others have pointed out; any digital content can be pirated. Even software, which employs hardware dongles with encryption keys used upon launch and used to decrypt portions of the program, can be unlocked. The question is only how much effort it will take and how much it is worth to the one breaking it.


If the software is very expensive or very popular, it will be broken open quickly. If the software is neither of those, but is has some very effective protection system, then it will be broken for the challenge of it. One way or the other, it will be broken open, unless it has the ultimate protection... that no one cares about it. We would rather not use that method... however effective it may be ;-)


Therefore the idea is to make it moderately hard to copy, without at the same time making it hard for legitimate users to use it, and then try to kindly ask anyone with a pirated copy to enjoy it and consider it a taste of what is to come, so they want to become a paying customer and support the further development.


It is not even a case of "if you cannot fight them, pretend to join them". It is a fact that if someone does not want to, or cannot, pay for the product, then it is no loss for us that he enjoys a pirated copy.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Camacha on September 01, 2014, 10:35:43 PM
The most terribly mistake any developer can make is to annoy and obstruct paying users, while pirate have free rum roam. It seems Giant Army understands this and has a fairly limited protection scheme, along with a decent price and full feature set.

Personally I would have liked a stand alone version a lot, as Steam is generally more of a hindrance than a benefit. It has locked me out of my paid for games once too often for the most trivial reasons.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 02, 2014, 11:01:40 PM
We may release a DRM-free, stand alone version in the future... if we do so we'll likely be releasing that through Humble, so anyone that's purchased so far would get access to that. We currently have no time table for when this might occur.

 the advantage of Steam for us is that it's super easy to post new builds and updates (it takes us just just a couple minutes and a few clicks) and they host all the files. The advantage for you is that updates just work.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on September 15, 2014, 06:28:38 AM
Some more piracy detected. I'll send the link to a mod/dev.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 16, 2014, 05:50:38 PM
I wonder if you ( Dev of US2 ) can make a Cracked version of the game and share it as a Torrent.
But adding small problems ingame  For instance, The devs of ( Game dev Tycoon )  made that after some time,  you were facing Bankruptcy because people pirate your game )  This was only done on the false version they have uploaded.

Basically, if you make a false cracked game which you upload on any torrent website, you might become the most seeded. which give you power over the pirated game in some ways.
You could make the game a bit buggy or having popup or something which will interfere with the players
( buy the game now)  or something might be funny to see.  Or simply entirely disable different option like changing the mass of a planet without saying that it is restricted because it's an illegal copy, just let it apear as if it was a glitch.  you might even have players coming on the forum claiming they found glitches which might be hilarious.

 Plus maybe you can add an ingame poll or something which send anonymous data to a server where you can see what they think about. and how many people installed it.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on September 17, 2014, 01:42:19 AM
Beautiful idea.

Would flood the bugs subforum though
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Estwald on September 17, 2014, 01:20:55 PM
I wonder if you ( Dev of US2 ) can make a Cracked version of the game and share it as a Torrent.
But adding small problems ingame  For instance, The devs of ( Game dev Tycoon )  made that after some time,  you were facing Bankruptcy because people pirate your game )  This was only done on the false version they have uploaded.

Basically, if you make a false cracked game which you upload on any torrent website, you might become the most seeded. which give you power over the pirated game in some ways.
You could make the game a bit buggy or having popup or something which will interfere with the players
( buy the game now)  or something might be funny to see.  Or simply entirely disable different option like changing the mass of a planet without saying that it is restricted because it's an illegal copy, just let it apear as if it was a glitch.  you might even have players coming on the forum claiming they found glitches which might be hilarious.

 Plus maybe you can add an ingame poll or something which send anonymous data to a server where you can see what they think about. and how many people installed it.

Well, it won't work anymore now that you said it publicly
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: nosirrbro on September 17, 2014, 08:24:11 PM
I wonder if you ( Dev of US2 ) can make a Cracked version of the game and share it as a Torrent.
But adding small problems ingame  For instance, The devs of ( Game dev Tycoon )  made that after some time,  you were facing Bankruptcy because people pirate your game )  This was only done on the false version they have uploaded.

Basically, if you make a false cracked game which you upload on any torrent website, you might become the most seeded. which give you power over the pirated game in some ways.
You could make the game a bit buggy or having popup or something which will interfere with the players
( buy the game now)  or something might be funny to see.  Or simply entirely disable different option like changing the mass of a planet without saying that it is restricted because it's an illegal copy, just let it apear as if it was a glitch.  you might even have players coming on the forum claiming they found glitches which might be hilarious.

 Plus maybe you can add an ingame poll or something which send anonymous data to a server where you can see what they think about. and how many people installed it.

Well, it won't work anymore now that you said it publicly
It might, and if it did it would be hilarious seeing people who pirated it's reaction to that comment... lel
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on September 17, 2014, 09:47:32 PM
I'm sure the people who pirate it don't know about Dan and how this is actually an indie game keeping him and his crew alive... therefore they probably aren't on the forums thus they wouldn't see this.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Killua48 on September 18, 2014, 02:48:21 AM
can i be a tester i love the simulation and colliding each planet
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: creeperz1211 on September 18, 2014, 03:10:45 AM
can i be a tester i love the simulation and colliding each planet
you can buy universe sandbox 2 here www.universesandbox.com/buy
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Plutonium on September 18, 2014, 04:50:25 AM
I wonder if you ( Dev of US2 ) can make a Cracked version of the game and share it as a Torrent.
But adding small problems ingame  For instance, The devs of ( Game dev Tycoon )  made that after some time,  you were facing Bankruptcy because people pirate your game )  This was only done on the false version they have uploaded.

Basically, if you make a false cracked game which you upload on any torrent website, you might become the most seeded. which give you power over the pirated game in some ways.
You could make the game a bit buggy or having popup or something which will interfere with the players
( buy the game now)  or something might be funny to see.  Or simply entirely disable different option like changing the mass of a planet without saying that it is restricted because it's an illegal copy, just let it apear as if it was a glitch.  you might even have players coming on the forum claiming they found glitches which might be hilarious.

 Plus maybe you can add an ingame poll or something which send anonymous data to a server where you can see what they think about. and how many people installed it.

Well, it won't work anymore now that you said it publicly
It might, and if it did it would be hilarious seeing people who pirated it's reaction to that comment... lel


If you think that pirates/filesharers are that stupid then you are really misinformed (not talking about 12 year old kids d/l-ing everything). These sort of things can backfire, imagine lots of negative feedback on neutral gaming sites and portals....
Also, you can't blame people who like to try before they buy something. Considering the fact that a lot of games do not have public demos available pirated versions are the only option for trying.

Although this particular case is very much unacceptable (closed alpha member leaked the product), the topic of piracy is very complex and many answers are not as straight forward as they appear.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on September 18, 2014, 05:17:45 AM
A closed Alpha piracy is definitely an act of childish impatience, but the piracy of games because you want to "try b4 u buy" is okay.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 18, 2014, 01:32:35 PM
That's basically why I said that Dan and the other member of Giant Army should release a Fake Pirated version which is almost indentical to the game. ( maybe when the game is in a Near finished state )

Having intentioned glitches and stuff might be fun to see.

Plus, I highly doubt that every single people which might want to download a pirated game in the future will see this message.  At worst, they just need to delete my posts.

I highly support Indies games.  Sometime I buy the game twice or more..  When there are small pledges to help the development, I donate often.  For instance, I have the "Name in the Game" from Prison Architect.
Plus, I consider myself as an ( Indie dev wannabe )
Just in case you heard of some of my projects ( Sinking Simulator and Portal 2 Abyss )
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: zed260 on September 18, 2014, 01:45:37 PM
first off yes i bought a copy


second of all there is relly not much dan can do about piracy all methods of activation can and will likely be cracked

all activation systems etc that dan will/can implement will be bypassed look at Microsoft they still haven't stooped people from pirating windows

really the only thing dan does by trying to protect the product by say putting it so you need steam to legaly download and install it is to punish the end user of the product

Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 18, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
first off yes i bought a copy


second of all there is relly not much dan can do about piracy all methods of activation can and will likely be cracked

all activation systems etc that dan will/can implement will be bypassed look at Microsoft they still haven't stooped people from pirating windows

really the only thing dan does by trying to protect the product by say putting it so you need steam to legaly download and install it is to punish the end user of the product

That's right, Putting a lot of money against piracy is a waste of time.  Many companies lose an incredible amount of money trying to defend themselves against piracy. Ea, Microsoft , etc..   

A cool thing to do might be what I just pointed out in my comments right above us.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: zed260 on September 18, 2014, 02:00:22 PM
first off yes i bought a copy


second of all there is relly not much dan can do about piracy all methods of activation can and will likely be cracked

all activation systems etc that dan will/can implement will be bypassed look at Microsoft they still haven't stooped people from pirating windows

really the only thing dan does by trying to protect the product by say putting it so you need steam to legaly download and install it is to punish the end user of the product

That's right, Putting a lot of money against piracy is a waste of time.  Many companies lose an incredible amount of money trying to defend themselves against piracy. Ea, Microsoft , etc..   

A cool thing to do might be what I just pointed out in my comments right above us.
a game called game dev tycoon did that lol

http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/

it was quite funny really i never even knew of that game existing until after the news spread about what they pulled anyway i bought a copy of that game in a sense piracy generated a lot of new sales for them ironicly
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 18, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
Yup, That's what I was talking about :P
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: zed260 on September 18, 2014, 07:30:08 PM
just uninstalled universe sandbox no point in using it if i have to have steam lol
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 18, 2014, 08:45:03 PM
what's wrong with Steam?
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Dan Dixon on September 18, 2014, 09:20:09 PM
really the only thing dan does by trying to protect the product by say putting it so you need steam to legaly download and install it is to punish the end user of the product

We may offer a DRM free copy in the future... but Steam makes updates for both us (Giant Army) and the end user super easy and effortless.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: pac0master on September 19, 2014, 04:18:08 AM
really the only thing dan does by trying to protect the product by say putting it so you need steam to legaly download and install it is to punish the end user of the product

We may offer a DRM free copy in the future... but Steam makes updates for both us (Giant Army) and the end user super easy and effortless.

That's right, I am also on Steamworks and it's very efficient and easy to update.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: TheoDorian on September 26, 2014, 05:43:42 PM
Hi Guys!! New to this forum, One good thing that has come from this pirated download of the game is that it allowed me to learn to love this awesome sequel, and as of today I have joined the Universe busting, life sustaining awesome that is Universal Sandbox 2! Mayhaps after the game has been fixed up and made betterer and sexier you awesome Devs could package a small simulation etc into a dubbed down demo?? would be an awesome way to lure in the budding spacey wacey types..  :)
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Camacha on September 28, 2014, 03:35:21 AM
We may offer a DRM free copy in the future... but Steam makes updates for both us (Giant Army) and the end user super easy and effortless.
I would very much prefer this. Steam is nice and all, but (for me at least) it tends to generate as much problems as it solves - unrequested changes, being locked out until you go on-line and mandatory downloads to name a few. I do realize some people disagree, but I have not had the best of luck with it. I much prefer having full control, even if it does mean a little more work. Call me old school.

I am not even talking about the fact that Steam is a service, which inherently means you can only play your games as long as they exist. You are basically renting. The average longevity of IT companies does not instil much confidence.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: lk1990 on September 29, 2014, 05:18:02 AM
Maybe you could implement a simililar copyrights management like Steal Beasts has. Steal Beasts comes with a dongle that needs to be physically connected to the computer the game is run on.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Camacha on September 29, 2014, 12:12:18 PM
Maybe you could implement a simililar copyrights management like Steal Beasts has. Steal Beasts comes with a dongle that needs to be physically connected to the computer the game is run on.
Dear lord, think of the complexity and cost.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Xriqxa on September 29, 2014, 01:31:23 PM
Maybe you could implement a simililar copyrights management like Steal Beasts has. Steal Beasts comes with a dongle that needs to be physically connected to the computer the game is run on.

Almost a good idea. Think of the consequences:
>Losing it
>Getting it stolen by pirates
>Shipping and ordering taking forever
>Malfunction/Faulty Copy
>Broken

Also I don't think that Giant Army has the money to print thousands of little electronic boxes.
Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: C7 on September 30, 2014, 05:28:03 AM
At the end of the day, the only people that have to deal with copy protection systems are your actual paying customers. Pirates are always just going to rip out any kind of copy protection that exists. At best, you slightly inconvenience the pirates, and make them take a little longer to update a release.

Title: Re: Someone is pirating Universe Sandbox Alpha
Post by: Camacha on October 02, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
At the end of the day, the only people that have to deal with copy protection systems are your actual paying customers. Pirates are always just going to rip out any kind of copy protection that exists. At best, you slightly inconvenience the pirates, and make them take a little longer to update a release.
Like the only people ever seeing the pirating warnings on DVD's - those people that obviously paid for the product. I never got that and is a good indication of the gap between industry and consumer.