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[FiahOwl]

no, if you evaporate the convection columns the whole hurrican falls apart

How the hell would you change the pressure of the earths atmosphere

also you can claim "different analogy" or "different point" etc to practically anything....

Different Scale, Then.

[FiahOwl]

A tropical cyclone can cease to have tropical characteristics in several different ways. One such way is if it moves over land, thus depriving it of the warm water it needs to power itself, quickly losing strength

Your point?

[Darvince]

Mudkipz, hurricanes thrive off of low wind shear, high sea surface temperatures, and a high pressure above it. A nuke in the eye would only strengthen the system, while a nuke in the eye wall would weaken it slightly.

[FiahOwl]

During each hurricane season, there always appear suggestions that one should simply use nuclear weapons to try and destroy the storms. Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.

Now for a more rigorous scientific explanation of why this would not be an effective hurricane modification technique. The main difficulty with using explosives to modify hurricanes is the amount of energy required. A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.

If we think about mechanical energy, the energy at humanity's disposal is closer to the storm's, but the task of focusing even half of the energy on a spot in the middle of a remote ocean would still be formidable. Brute force interference with hurricanes doesn't seem promising.

In addition, an explosive, even a nuclear explosive, produces a shock wave, or pulse of high pressure, that propagates away from the site of the explosion somewhat faster than the speed of sound. Such an event doesn't raise the barometric pressure after the shock has passed because barometric pressure in the atmosphere reflects the weight of the air above the ground. For normal atmospheric pressure, there are about ten metric tons (1000 kilograms per ton) of air bearing down on each square meter of surface. In the strongest hurricanes there are nine. To change a Category 5 hurricane into a Category 2 hurricane you would have to add about a half ton of air for each square meter inside the eye, or a total of a bit more than half a billion (500,000,000) tons for a 20 km radius eye. It's difficult to envision a practical way of moving that much air around.

Attacking weak tropical waves or depressions before they have a chance to grow into hurricanes isn't promising either. About 80 of these disturbances form every year in the Atlantic basin, but only about 5 become hurricanes in a typical year. There is no way to tell in advance which ones will develop. If the energy released in a tropical disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it's still a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the whole world's lights many times a year.

[FiahOwl]

Whoops, 10 to the power of 13, not 1013

[Darvince]

Uhhh, what?
You don't know our personalities, do you?

[mudkipz]

no, if you evaporate the convection columns the whole hurrican falls apart

How the hell would you change the pressure of the earths atmosphere

also you can claim "different analogy" or "different point" etc to practically anything....

Different Scale, Then.

You don't change the pressure
you evaporate everything.

[mudkipz]

i made a new thread. so we can stop derailing this one about storms and nukes

[FiahOwl]

BUT HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO GET LOTS OF PRESSURE INTO A LOW PRESSURE SPOT THAT'S HUNDREDS OF FUCKING KILOMETERS WIDE?!?!

[mudkipz]

bring it to the other thread. ./stop derail

and you're to obsessed with creating pressure

[atomic7732]

I don't think a new thread was really needed, considering we're kind of basing who wins on this discussion, but okay. I guess it works.

[smjjames]

its time for the tables to turn

an explosion could always blow up a storm. imagine the sun blowing up vs a tiny hurrican

The Sun blows up, the Earth dies, the end...

[smjjames]

BUT HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO GET LOTS OF PRESSURE INTO A LOW PRESSURE SPOT THAT'S HUNDREDS OF FUCKING KILOMETERS WIDE?!?!

Exactly. Short of almost blowing up the planet.

AAAND, I'm the tiebreaker as usual.

Uhhh, what?
You don't know our personalities, do you?

From what I have read, I can't tell what the basis for making a determination of the winner is...it's only apparent that it isn't based on anything rational....so if I pick a winner based on a screen name, who's to say that isn't valid, considering again, what thing that begins with mud trumps anything that begins with atomic?  Atomic bomb > mudpie.  atomic wins.

To your point, I think all the personalities, except me and Dan, are in a contest to see who can make the least amount of sense for the longest period of time....so quite frankly, understanding your personalities isn't on my to do list.

Pfft, mudkipz has won that already.

Also, there is plenty of sense to go around....

[smjjames]

Pfft, mudkipz has won that already.

Since when is a tie a win.  phinehas voted for atomic7732...somebody register a new user stat. 

I meant the 'contest to see who can make the least amount of sense for the longest period of time' part.

[mudkipz]

what speak you of this blasphemous sense....sounds a bit...should i say....Derivative

[mudkipz]

also even how fist fighting has transgified into disrupting nuestorms with blanormous amounts of energies evn matty shall not! know!

[Darvince]

Goddamnit guys.

[smjjames]

Just call it a tie and move them to the next tier, or something.

[FiahOwl]

I say atomic should win

[Bla]

Ok, this is a really hard fight. Here's my simulation:

* Mudkipz uses mudslap.
* Atomic throws 7, 7, 3 and 2 at Mudkipz.
* Mudkipz parries the deadly incoming numbers with four windowpanes.
* Mudkipz uses strangleskirt.
* Atomic crushes the strangleskirt into atoms.
* Atomic uses atomic bomb.
* Mudkipz uses "nids moar exploshunz".
* Atomic uses atomic bomb.
* Mudkipz uses "nids moar exploshunz".
* Atomic uses hydrogen bomb.
* Mudkipz has left the game.

Looks like Atomic wins.

[FiahOwl]

Ok, this is a really hard fight. Here's my simulation:

* Mudkipz uses mudslap.
* Atomic throws 7, 7, 3 and 2 at Mudkipz.
* Mudkipz parries the deadly incoming numbers with four windowpanes.
* Mudkipz uses strangleskirt.
* Atomic crushes the strangleskirt into atoms.
* Atomic uses atomic bomb.
* Mudkipz uses "nids moar exploshunz".
* Atomic uses atomic bomb.
* Mudkipz uses "nids moar exploshunz".
* Atomic uses hydrogen bomb.
* Mudkipz has left the game.

Looks like Atomic wins.

[Darvince]

British kollege young man vs working (at home?) California man

[Darvince]

This poll nids five more votes to continue.

[bong]

baump