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[deoxy99]

Okay, I think it should be called Global Cooling. You just won't listen to me. The video is perfectly true.

[Bla]

I've come up with arguments for it to be flawed, and I've linked to sources with evidence for global warming. If you want me to believe the video is true, you have to destroy the arguments and come up with new arguments and evidence that supports the video.

[deoxy99]

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAC4kfHruQ

These do, or probably do, say it is a hoax. Now, does this persuade you?

[atomic7732]

February 2010: Cool in the U.S. but 6th Warmest Globally

http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/MediaDetail.php?MediaID=390&MediaTypeID=1

GLOBAL Warming
NOT US Warming!

SInce many people live in the US and do not travel outside the US, they do not know how warm it is in other countries, nor do they now how cold it SHOULD be.

If anyone would know, it's probably Bla and other people not in the US or Canada.

[deoxy99]

Look at the true side, and the hoax side, and I think it IS a hoax.

[Naru523]

Then why did the ice caps in Ice Age period melted? And the North Pole Ice Cap is getting smaller.

[deoxy99]

Yeah, but the "South" geographic pole's ice caps are growing!

[Bla]

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
http://globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-Tb7vTamY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKAC4kfHruQ
These do, or probably do, say it is a hoax. Now, does this persuade you?

Again, the first one assumes it is natural, this time on the basis of a Canadian Scientist who said there were solar cycles lasting 1.500 years. But the temperature graphs show such big increases over such a short amount of time that it's unbelieveable that a cycle of 1.500 years could change it so fast. It should change slowly and even over time, not just "randomly" spike while our CO₂ emission is at it's highest.

Also, it states that CO₂ is a very weak greenhouse gas, even though it doesn't deny it. But look at Venus. It's atmosphere is made up of 96,5% CO₂. Even though it's atmosphere is also more dense, resulting in a pressure on the surface that is 90 times bigger, the greenhouse effect should be clear with it's mean temperature of 735 Kelvin. What we're talking about on Earth is only a few degrees, but those could mean the difference between being able to have agriculture in many places, the icecaps melting and rising the ocean level etc., and giving more extreme weather. I wonder what Venus' temperature would be without CO₂.

It also argues that the rising temperature is causing increased levels of CO₂. But that doesn't make any sense. We all know that we burn fossil fuels, and that we create CO₂ in the proces. And we're doing it on a pretty large scale, with all these billions of cars, airplanes, motorbikes and all those things, the power plants and factories. It's an absurd statement to blame the increased amount of carbondioxide on the increased temperature, when the burning of fossil fuels etc. are clearly emitting teragrams of CO₂.

[Naru523]

Yeah, but the "South" geographic pole's ice caps are growing!

It's actually getting smaller too...

I heard there was a glacier which fell into the water in Antartica.

[atomic7732]

Recently?
I only heard of the one in 2008, and 2005. I hear they are due to infra-gravity waves (i wrote an article for school on them) that are caused by Pacific storms... Hmmm... Global Warming caused more storms which are stronger too, which makes more waves, which reflect back a MORE, STRONGER infragroavity waves. Boom! Goes the ice shelves!

[deoxy99]

If we made a pie chart of the atmosphere, CO2 would be a tiny sliver, and the amount made by us would be a super super super tiny sliver of that tiny sliver.

[Bla]

Yes, the atmosphere used to contain about 0,03% CO₂... 60 years ago. But now it has increased to 0,039%. And how much is 0,009% of the atmosphere? It doesn't sound as much, but in fact it is 450 petagrams (or 4,5 • 10¹⁷ grams). So, we've caused 450 petagrams of CO₂ to be released within 60 years.

[deoxy99]

Yeah right...450 petagrams is a lie.

[Naru523]

Your a lie  (basically the video is)

[Dan Dixon]

Just because someone claims global warming is a hoax doesn't mean it is.

The sites that deoxy99 shared seem to be politically motivated.

Why do you believe those sites deoxy99? What does your family and friends think about global warming?

I find odd that people are so focused on the idea that global warming is a scientific conspiracy (as if there's ever been such a thing). That's contrary to the whole idea of science: reproducibility, verifiability, evidence based deduction.

[deoxy99]

But Dan Dixon! It's my opinion!

[atomic7732]

But Dan Dixon! It's my opinion!

Is it based on the videos? Or does your opinion reasons differ?

[deoxy99]

It's the video, I am being honest.

[Bla]

Response to messages in another topic:

Hoax, and NASA is doing the same thing, it's going from the South Pole to measure to Africa to measure.

1: The temperature difference between The South Pole and Africa is much greater than the scale used on the Y axis of the graph.

2: Humans haven't visited The South Pole before December 1911.

Dan! Could you please end this conversation?!?!?!?!

You can end it by accepting global warming, our accept of global warming or convincing us that global warming is false. You could also just stop responding. There's no need for Dan to stop it.

[deoxy99]

I'll stop, and I'll say what I said in this article which is:
I will believe what I say, and you believe what you say.
And never ever bring Global Warming up again.

[atomic7732]

Here

is an interesting video, semi-related to it and other problems, and the song that is about it.

Also, if you don't want to hear the song, turn the sound down, but just before the end, about maybe 3:30, turn it up again, it's a nice... quote? Not really a quote, but just do it.

[atomic7732]

Aha! New stats released. April 2010 LOWEST APRIL SNOW EXTENT! THE SIGNS ARE THERE. YOU MAY CHOOSE NOT TO, BUT YOU ARE ONLY HARMING THE WORLD.

http://www.nnvl.noaa.gov/MediaDetail.php?MediaID=413&MediaTypeID=1

[APODman]

deoxy99 you can prove that all evidences are really fake ?

You can prove that Kilimanjaro are not losing your glaciars or better: you can prove that all webcams showing fulltime images of Kilimanjaro are all lying ?  


( If you reload the page every 5 minutes you can see new shoots of Kilimanjaro )

Are all images lying ?






More in:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/scndkili.htm

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[deoxy99]

Those are using replace color modes.

[atomic7732]

Wow. So you won't believe anything than videos based on conspiracy? That's... I don't know how you will get by in life. What happens when the news say "There is an armed robber in So and so neighborhood, will you be "No, that's just a lie." Then he goes in, and kills you. Or something.

Is that person gonna be you? Or are you already him?

And from a person who "believes" in Science! Why can't you belive this? IT IS SCIENCE!

[Bla]

Those are using replace color modes.

Or perhaps the one single video that convinced you, probably simply because you saw it before any of the other evidence, was flawed.
I don't see how you can value one single YouTube video over all of this evidence.

[Naru523]

This link shows consequences of global warming.
http://www.climatehotmap.org/

[deoxy99]

This link shows consequences of global warming.
http://www.climatehotmap.org/

Yes, and none of that is happening because Global Warming isn't happening.

[Naru523]

Yes, and it is happening because Global Warming is happening.

No really, believe what you think. Just the fact that it's true.

[deoxy99]

Yes, and it is happening because Global Warming is happening.

No really, believe what you think. Just the fact that it's true.

DAMN YOUR QUOTE MODIFYING, IT DOESN'T WORK ON ME!